Favorite sox pitcher?

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    Best Pitcher that I actually saw pitch...

    Pedro, hands down was the best.

    Honorable mentions for best pitcher...

    Clemens (pre Toronto), Schill, Tiant, Beckett, Lester

    Ones I just liked...

    Lee, Tavarez, Eck, Koji

     
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    In response to billge's comment:

    Favorite from Smoky Joe to Ellis Kinder to Mel Parnell, Radatz, El Tiante to Pedro to Lester



    Thanks for reminding me of Ellis Kinder, but as for my favorite 'back-in-the-day' pitcher, my favorite was Ike Delock.

    My 'mid-life' favorite was Dick Radatz.

    Present-day era, Lowe.  He threw a no-hitter for the Red Sox in 2002 and in the 2004 post-season he had a 3–0 win-loss record as he immeasurably helped the Sox to its first World Series championship in 86 years.

     
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    1) Pedro

    2) Tiant

    3) Spaceman

     
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    Forgot about Ike Great name from the past . Give you another from that era, tom Brewer

     
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    Schiraldi..............just kidding...................Pedro

     
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    I loved Pedro and he was by far the best pitcher I ever saw in a Red Sox uniform. But my favorite? Loooooooiiiiieeeeee!!!

     
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    In response to billge's comment:

    Favorite from Smoky Joe to Ellis Kinder to Mel Parnell, Radatz, El Tiante to Pedro to Lester



    Only one choice......Pedro !!!!

     
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    Pedro was the best I ever saw- by far.

    Clemens was the first to show me how much one guy can dominate a game.

    Tiant was my alltime favorite.

    Uehara is my current favorite.



    Absolutely correct on all counts

     
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    I don't have a specific recollection of Pedro Martinez from the many Dodger games I attended when I lived near Chavez Ravine in 1989-94, but I remember witnessing a gem Martinez pitched at Oakland in 2000:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK200007280.shtml

    Red Sox righthander Roger Clemens pitched great in the first game I ever saw in California, shutting down the Angels on Memorial Day 1989:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL198805300.shtml

    I saw Clemens at his best in the 2000 American League Championship Series when the Yankee pitched a one-hitter in Game 4 against my Mariners in Seattle:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200010140.shtml

    Consdiering the era, the Pedro Martinez of 1997-2003 may be the greatest pitcher of all time.

     
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    Consdiering the era, the Pedro Martinez of 1997-2003 may be the greatest pitcher of all time.

    I have made this point several times. Compare Pedro's numbers to the league average, and the disparity is much more than any other pitcher from other eras.

    I have no doubt; he was the very best of the best for any 6 year stretch in MLB history.

     
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    I miss Pedro.

     
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    Consdiering the era, the Pedro Martinez of 1997-2003 may be the greatest pitcher of all time.

    I have made this point several times. Compare Pedro's numbers to the league average, and the disparity is much more than any other pitcher from other eras.

    I have no doubt; he was the very best of the best for any 6 year stretch in MLB history.

     



    You might be right, then again need to look at Koufax, he  was rediculous. Perfect Games, No-Hitters.

    Left Arm of God

     

     
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    Consdiering the era, the Pedro Martinez of 1997-2003 may be the greatest pitcher of all time.

    I have made this point several times. Compare Pedro's numbers to the league average, and the disparity is much more than any other pitcher from other eras.

    I have no doubt; he was the very best of the best for any 6 year stretch in MLB history.

     



    You might be right, then again need to look at Koufax, he  was rediculous. Perfect Games, No-Hitters.

     



    I did look at Sandy. I compared him to his era and he did not dominate the way Pedro did his.

    Sandy's super dominating stretch was just 5 years not 7, but let's compare apples to apples:

    Koufax from '62 to '66  (NL numbers '62-'66)

    111 -34 in 1377 IP

    WAR  43.4

    FIP   2.00

    ERA  1.95  (~3.55)  -1.60

    ERA-   60

    WHIP  0.93  (1.28)  -0.35

    BA      .189   (.248)  -.059

    K/9    9.44  (~5.8)  +3.6

    BB/9  2.07  (~2.8)  -0.7

    K/BB  4.57  (~2.0)  +2.6

    HR/9  0.58  (~0.80) -0.2

     

    Pedro  1999-2003

    WAR: 43.2

    FIP    1.95  (~4.55)  -2.60

    ERA   2.10  (~4.65)  -2.55

    ERA-     45

    WHIP  0.90  (~1.44) -0.54

    BA       .194  (.265)   -.071

    K/9     11.62  (~6.3) +5.3

    BB/9     1.75  (~3.4) -1.6

    K/BB     6.66  (~1.84) +4.8

    HR/9     0.49  (~1.14) -0.65

     

    Pedro's differentials are clearly more dominating of his era.

     

     
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    Tiant was my favourite, but I also loved Roger Moret.  A more enlightened view of mental illness would have made a big difference to him.

     
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    Pedro by far, then Tiant. All time have to throw in Cy Young and Babe Ruth since I haven't seen them mentioned.

    Used to like watching Sonny Siebert kill the Orioles with his arm and his bat. Great hitting pitcher. Had 6 home runs and 15 rbis one season.

    Would have put Clemens in there if I wasn't so disgusted with him.

     
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    Favorite from a pure entertainment perspective it would be El Tiant without question.  The man was a hollywood star.

    Favorite from a pure talent perspective it would be a tie between Pedro and Clemens.  Both of these guys in their prime were overwhelming.

     
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    We were so lucky to get both of these guys here in Boston.

     
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    To many to choose from but I will say the greatest pitcher in a Red Sox uniform in the last 50 years was Pedro. Last year I truly enjoyed Uehara and Lester. Other than these guys there have been many who have graced the bump in a Red Sox uniform and they have all been entertaining whether I liked them all or not. El Tiante and even the rental guys like Smoltz,Seaver and Juan Marichal were all great stories, the most disheartening pitcher who was on the verge of greatness was Rogelio Moret, broke my heart to hear his story. He lives in my memories of Sox who could have been along with Billy Rohr,Tony C,and more recently Westmoreland and Daniel Bard.

     
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    To many to choose from but I will say the greatest pitcher in a Red Sox uniform in the last 50 years was Pedro. Last year I truly enjoyed Uehara and Lester. Other than these guys there have been many who have graced the bump in a Red Sox uniform and they have all been entertaining whether I liked them all or not. El Tiante and even the rental guys like Smoltz,Seaver and Juan Marichal were all great stories, the most disheartening pitcher who was on the verge of greatness was Rogelio Moret, broke my heart to hear his story. He lives in my memories of Sox who could have been along with Billy Rohr,Tony C,and more recently Westmoreland and Daniel Bard.



    Great names here. Also, Saberhagen.

    How about...

    "Soup" Campbell

    Greg Harris (I think he was the guy who had a double glove and wanted to alternate pitching arms.)

    I started following the Sox in 1972 after the Tommy Harper trade.

    Tiant had a great season in '72, I think with a 1.90 ERA. He was always my favorite pitcher, but I loved Bill Lee as well. Marty Pattin came over from the Brewers as well and had a decent season. (I used to live within 2 blocks of County Stadium in Milwaukee.)

    Other favorites or notables up to 2000:

    Big Bob Veale

    Dick Pole (I was at the game he took a line shot off his head. I remember the ball rolled to Rico at 3B who ignored the ball and rushed to Pole's aid.)

    1973: Reggie Cleveland, Dick Drago, Diego Segui (Marichal & Rick Wise)

    1975: Roger Moret goes 14-3

    1976: Fergie Jenkins 

    1977: Campbell 

    1978: Eckersley wins 20 & Mike Torrez 16

    1979: John Tudor comes up

    1980: Tom Burgmeier with Hurst and Ojeda coming up

    1981: Frank Tanana

    Oil Can Boyd & Clemens

    1985: 5 starters all 27 or younger with Clemens, Boyd, Hurst, Ojeda & Nipper

    1986: Tom Seaver

    1988: Mike Boddicker & Lee Smith

    Dennis Lamp

    Jeff Reardon

    Jeff Gray (sad story)

    1992: Frank Viola & Danny Darwin

    Aaron Sele, Jeff Russell & Paul Quantrill (Ken Ryan)

    Tim Wakefield & Mike Maddux

    Tom Gordon

    Rich Garces (El Guapo)

    Saberhagen & Derek Lowe

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:

    To many to choose from but I will say the greatest pitcher in a Red Sox uniform in the last 50 years was Pedro. Last year I truly enjoyed Uehara and Lester. Other than these guys there have been many who have graced the bump in a Red Sox uniform and they have all been entertaining whether I liked them all or not. El Tiante and even the rental guys like Smoltz,Seaver and Juan Marichal were all great stories, the most disheartening pitcher who was on the verge of greatness was Rogelio Moret, broke my heart to hear his story. He lives in my memories of Sox who could have been along with Billy Rohr,Tony C,and more recently Westmoreland and Daniel Bard.



    Great names here. Also, Saberhagen.

    How about...

    "Soup" Campbell

    Greg Harris (I think he was the guy who had a double glove and wanted to alternate pitching arms.)

    I started following the Sox in 1972 after the Tommy Harper trade.

    Tiant had a great season in '72, I think with a 1.90 ERA. He was always my favorite pitcher, but I loved Bill Lee as well. Marty Pattin came over from the Brewers as well and had a decent season. (I used to live within 2 blocks of County Stadium in Milwaukee.)

    Other favorites or notables up to 2000:

    Big Bob Veale

    Dick Pole (I was at the game he took a line shot off his head. I remember the ball rolled to Rico at 3B who ignored the ball and rushed to Pole's aid.)

    1973: Reggie Cleveland, Dick Drago, Diego Segui (Marichal & Rick Wise)

    1975: Roger Moret goes 14-3

    1976: Fergie Jenkins 

    1977: Campbell 

    1978: Eckersley wins 20 & Mike Torrez 16

    1979: John Tudor comes up

    1980: Tom Burgmeier with Hurst and Ojeda coming up

    1981: Frank Tanana

    Oil Can Boyd & Clemens

    1985: 5 starters all 27 or younger with Clemens, Boyd, Hurst, Ojeda & Nipper

    1986: Tom Seaver

    1988: Mike Boddicker & Lee Smith

    Dennis Lamp

    Jeff Reardon

    Jeff Gray (sad story)

    1992: Frank Viola & Danny Darwin

    Aaron Sele, Jeff Russell & Paul Quantrill (Ken Ryan)

    Tim Wakefield & Mike Maddux

    Tom Gordon

    Rich Garces (El Guapo)

    Saberhagen & Derek Lowe

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Like i said so many have graced this team with their perfomances, Heck neither one of us mentioned Foulke and he was the guy holding the ball at the end of the 04 WS...


     
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    Reminds me of summer weekends at the beach Moon.

     
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    Bill Monboquette

     
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    In response to MikeNagy's comment:

    Pedro by far, then Tiant. All time have to throw in Cy Young and Babe Ruth since I haven't seen them mentioned.

    Used to like watching Sonny Siebert kill the Orioles with his arm and his bat. Great hitting pitcher. Had 6 home runs and 15 rbis one season.

    Would have put Clemens in there if I wasn't so disgusted with him.



    Good call on Sonny Siebert. Tiant was by far my favorite and Pedro of course was the best. But the early first pitchers I liked were Siebert and Ray Culp.

     

     
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    In response to MikeNagy's comment:

    Pedro by far, then Tiant. All time have to throw in Cy Young and Babe Ruth since I haven't seen them mentioned.

    Used to like watching Sonny Siebert kill the Orioles with his arm and his bat. Great hitting pitcher. Had 6 home runs and 15 rbis one season.

    Would have put Clemens in there if I wasn't so disgusted with him.


    Good call on Sonny Siebert. Tiant was by far my favorite and Pedro of course was the best. But the early first pitchers I liked were Siebert and Ray Culp.

     



    My namesake was right there with Culp and Siebert in 1969, along with a fading Jim Lonborg. He went 12-2 and and was American League Rookie Pitcher of the Year. He had a promising career, but arm problems did him in. Pike tried to make me a closet yankee fan because Nagy was born in the Bronx and sells real estate there.

    I was actually going to be Ray Culp but he was already taken, though I've never seen him post.

     
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    Best Pitcher - Pedro Totally dominant for 6-7 years

    Favorite all-time Pitcher - El Tiante a great showman and very good pitcher.  I remember him taking "infield" in the '70s on an off day.  Perfectly ole-d every ball hit near him much to evryone's delight.

    Best performance - Rogers 20 strikeout performance vs Seattle in 1986.

    Favorite Current Pitcher - Uehara amazingly consistant and effective run as a closer

     

     
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