Finally someone with a REAL trade idea, but is it even possible?

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    I think the idea of going after Gonzalez is OK, but the proposed package at the bleacher report seems a little light.  Doubront, Renaudo, a catcher and an OF?

     
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    In response to notin's comment:
    [QUOTE]In response to bgomez's comment:
    Trade Ells and a prospect to the Indians for Choo and Masterson

    And the Indians would do this why?[/QUOTE]
    I doubt the Indians would trade either one year of Shin Soo Choo or two years of Justin Masterson straight up for one year of Jacoby Ellsbury.

     
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    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:
    [QUOTE]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1377883-red-sox-should-trade-for-the-rockies-carlos-gonzalez[/QUOTE]

    FanGraphs ranked Colorado outfielder Carlos Conzalez with baseball's 27th highest trade value so I doubt the Rockies would trade the 27-year-old Gonzalez for the Red Sox spare parts in 25-year-old lefthander Felix Doubront (4.86 ERA in 2012), 23-year-old righthander Anthony Ranaudo (4.59 ERA in a minor league career that has not progressed past Double A), a young catcher and a young outfielder (unless perhaps the latter two are Blake Swihart and Jackie Bradley Jr.).

    Carlos Gonzalez would command a significant return in trade and the rebuilding Red Sox team might be better off letting the young players develop.

     

     

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    How's that whole "letting the young players develop" thing working out for the Mariners, Hill? The Sox don't need to completely rebuild.  They arguably have a better core of talent than some 2012 playoff teams.  The Mariners have had a losing record in 7 of the 9 years during their "rebuilding process."  There are no guarantees any of these kids will develop.  The Sox have plenty of resources to put together a competitive team next year, and my guess is they will...

     
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    In response to jasko2248's comment:
    [QUOTE]How's that whole "letting the young players develop" thing working out for the Mariners, Hill? The Sox don't need to completely rebuild.  They arguably have a better core of talent than some 2012 playoff teams.  The Mariners have had a losing record in 7 of the 9 years during their "rebuilding process."  There are no guarantees any of these kids will develop.  The Sox have plenty of resources to put together a competitive team next year, and my guess is they will.../QUOTE]

    Since being anointed The Best Team Ever in March 2011, the Red Sox have been stripped of considerable talent with the departures of Adrian Gonzalez, Jonathan Papelbon, Josh Beckett, Kevin Youkilis, Carl Crawford, J.D. Drew, Marco Scutaro, Jason Varitek, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield, Mike Cameron and now potentially David Ortiz. That's 10 former All Stars to replace (plus Matsuzaka and Scutaro).

    The Red Sox have the money, but do the Sox have the core talent?

    The Mariners finished six games ahead of the Red Sox this season with a far, far younger roster. Boston's 9-27 record after the Big Trade might be more representative of the team's current talent level than the club's 60-66 record before the trade. I will be highly surprised if the Seattle farm system is not ranked above Boston's well-regarded farm system (even though former top prospects Jesus Montero, Dustin Ackley, Justin Smoak and Michael Saunders have lost their prospect status).

    The franchises could well be headed in opposite directions.

     
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    In response to hill55's comment:
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    In response to jasko2248's comment:
    [QUOTE]How's that whole "letting the young players develop" thing working out for the Mariners, Hill? The Sox don't need to completely rebuild.  They arguably have a better core of talent than some 2012 playoff teams.  The Mariners have had a losing record in 7 of the 9 years during their "rebuilding process."  There are no guarantees any of these kids will develop.  The Sox have plenty of resources to put together a competitive team next year, and my guess is they will.../QUOTE]

    Since being anointed The Best Team Ever in March 2011, the Red Sox have been stripped of considerable talent with the departures of Adrian Gonzalez, Jonathan Papelbon, Josh Beckett, Kevin Youkilis, Carl Crawford, J.D. Drew, Marco Scutaro, Jason Varitek, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield, Mike Cameron and now potentially David Ortiz. That's 10 former All Stars to replace (plus Matsuzaka and Scutaro).

    The Red Sox have the money, but do the Sox have the core talent?

    The Mariners finished six games ahead of the Red Sox this season with a far, far younger roster. Boston's 9-27 record after the Big Trade might be more representative of the team's current talent level than the club's 60-66 record before the trade. I will be highly surprised if the Seattle farm system is not ranked above Boston's well-regarded farm system (even though former top prospects Jesus Montero, Dustin Ackley, Justin Smoak and Michael Saunders have lost their prospect status).

    The franchises could well be headed in opposite directions.

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    Actually, it's not "more representative" of their talent level.  Ortiz isn't going anywhere by the way.  They set a record for most injuries which you are conveniently forgetting.  Beckett was terrible for Boston last year, Crawford and Punto were useless and a healthy Ortiz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Middlebrooks and whoever they bring in to replace Gonzalez' "production" at first should put them near the top in offensive production once again, and more than make up for what they "lost" to the Dodgers. 

    10 former allstars?!?! Most of the the guys on your "all star list" are either out of baseball or haven't been prooductive in years.  The Sox also now have plenty of resources to plug what holes they have.  The difference between Boston and Seattle is that hitters actually want to play in Boston while hitters would consider playing in Japan before they play 82 home games in that Seattle ballpark.  Thinking the Sox are all of a sudden going to turn into the Mariners of recent years because of one abberation of season is wishful thinking...

     
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    10 former allstars?!?! Most of the the guys on your "all star list" are either out of baseball or haven't been prooductive in years.

    Perhaps we can agree that the decline of many of the listed players parallels the decline of the Red Sox generally as the Sox went from 2007 World Series champs to 2008 ALCS losers to the 2009 three-and-out sweep in their last postseason appearance.

     
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    notin maybe Sizemore can play with Elles  =  )

     
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    In response to hill55's comment:
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    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:
    [QUOTE]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1377883-red-sox-should-trade-for-the-rockies-carlos-gonzalez[/QUOTE]

    FanGraphs ranked Colorado outfielder Carlos Conzalez with baseball's 27th highest trade value so I doubt the Rockies would trade the 27-year-old Gonzalez for the Red Sox spare parts in 25-year-old lefthander Felix Doubront (4.86 ERA in 2012), 23-year-old righthander Anthony Ranaudo (4.59 ERA in a minor league career that has not progressed past Double A), a young catcher and a young outfielder (unless perhaps the latter two are Blake Swihart and Jackie Bradley Jr.).

    Carlos Gonzalez would command a significant return in trade and the rebuilding Red Sox team might be better off letting the young players develop.

    dumb move Very stupid i think 

     

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1377883-red-sox-should-trade-for-the-rockies-carlos-gonzalez

     

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    Look at his home and away splits, then tell me if you still want him.  Another player who's stats could be greatly infuenced by Coors field.

    OPS at home 1.046

    OPS away .749

     

     
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    Trade Ells and a prospect to the Indians for Choo and Masterson

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    What's with the fascination with Masterson. One decent year with Cleveland but before and after nothing but mediocrity. Just what we need another mediocre pitcher. 

    Hetch

     
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    I think we should get the first base problem out of the way before we decide who we're going to trade for.   The Mets are hinting that Ike Davis is available since they want to put Lucas Duda there.  We don't have to wait for the end of the WS to address  that problem.  The D'Backs and Marlins just made a trade today.  Cherington should get on his high horse and start doing some work in this regard.  No FA signing needed here, just a swap of horse flesh for a spot where we are dire need.  There can't even be a whiff of a hint that the Red Sox or anyone on this board would be so stupid to say we could get by with baLoney and fatso Gomez next season.

     
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    Hetch.  The fascination with Masterson is that he is young (not yet 28), throws in the mid 90s, and has pitched injury free (averaging over 200 IP for the last three seasons).  By comparison, who on the Sox starting staff has done as well the last three seasons? 

     
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    I think we should get the first base problem out of the way before we decide who we're going to trade for.   The Mets are hinting that Ike Davis is available since they want to put Lucas Duda there.  We don't have to wait for the end of the WS to address  that problem.  The D'Backs and Marlins just made a trade today.  Cherington should get on his high horse and start doing some work in this regard.  No FA signing needed here, just a swap of horse flesh for a spot where we are dire need.  There can't even be a whiff of a hint that the Red Sox or anyone on this board would be so stupid to say we could get by with baLoney and fatso Gomez next season.

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    No doubt Fred, as bad as our team needs pitching I think 1B has become a huge priority.  Loney was a throw in because the Dodgers needed a more capable bat and so do we more than ever. 


     

     

     
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    The suggestion makes no sense.

    The Red Sox don’t need to have a $180 million payroll anymore to compete. They need to have strong starting pitching, players signed to contracts that don’t hinder the team’s flexibility and a fertile farm system to support the major league team by providing young players and pieces for trades.

    We need strong starting pitching, but the writer suggests that we trade two of our young ones.  And the way to build a 'fertile farm' is to trade away our prospects?

    His H/A splits last year was 1.046/.706.  What is it about Rockie players that people don't realize they hit in Coors?

     
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    Seems like he would still be a 20-30 homer player here... drive in 90-100 runs.... and steal bases a bit... he would be a good #3 or #5 hitter. Maybe I am wrong about the Coors thing not being a big deal with Carlos. Dante Bichette he wouldn't be.

     

     

     
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    Seems like he would still be a 20-30 homer player here... drive in 90-100 runs.... and steal bases a bit... he would be a good #3 or #5 hitter. Maybe I am wrong about the Coors thing not being a big deal with Carlos. Dante Bichette he wouldn't be.

     

     

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    I'd also be concerned that he never exceeded 145 GS in a season.

     
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    Hetch.  The fascination with Masterson is that he is young (not yet 28), throws in the mid 90s, and has pitched injury free (averaging over 200 IP for the last three seasons).  By comparison, who on the Sox starting staff has done as well the last three seasons? 

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    Yes and with an ERA between 4.50-4.95 three of the past four years and a whip of around 1.45. Another young mediocre pitcher. We've already got Lester struggling this year, Buch struggling to gain back his best, Doubrant who is another just fair pitcher. Masterson is not part of the solution for the Red Sox. He'll just be another part of the problem that burdens this club, lousy pitching. 

    Hetch

     
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    Trade Ells and a prospect to the Indians for Choo and Masterson

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    What's with the fascination with Masterson. One decent year with Cleveland but before and after nothing but mediocrity. Just what we need another mediocre pitcher. 

    Hetch

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    Im with you Hetch. Masterson gets murdered by LHH...Pass

     
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