Fire Francona

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    Tito is a good overall manager because he maintains a calmness during the lows of the post season and a long season. However, he's not a strong field manager and this team has too many lazy veterans who are allowed to be undisciplined in approach. It will take an urgency like this lousy start to get them to wake up. Tito should have dropped the hammer in spring training. They were mailing it in on the effort department in spring training. The record wasn't the issue, and players shouldn't over exert in ST, but they were completely lazy and mailing it in during spring training. It's carried over out of the gates.
     
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    He's the Barry Soetoro of the Red Sox; he's nothing more than a puppet for the puppet masters........
     
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    I have the feeling tito actually might have talked to Matsuzaka in the pen before last nights game and suggested that the strategy for the night should be to throw meatballs down the middle of the plate unless he felt like walking someone.  What a moron.  Who would do that?  Worst manager ever.
     
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    Right on!

    Last night Francona should have kept Matsuzaka in for the entie 9 innings, even if the Rays scored 50 runs (or more). And then both of them should have been given their unconditional release.
     
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    The problem is the Whole Team looks Sad. There is not one aspect to the season so far that would give any casual observer any hope. Yesterday's excuse was they ran into to hot teams at the wrong time. Maybe playing the Sox at this point will get any team "hot". The players are not performing any where near their norms and once again we will Kiss away another April. Thos team will have to pull off 10 game winning streaks several timesthis season just to stay in the race. Thank You Tito for getting Us another "Quick Start" out of the gate... You would have thought last season would have been a wakeup call But wait, it is only April !! Stop Chewing, Tito, and Start Jumping some AZZ !!

    P.S. Has there ever been a shot on TV with Francona discussing the game with anybody in the dugout ??
     
     
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    I just dont get it. When they win, Francona is no where to be mentioned. If they lose it's solely his fault. These tito convos are dumb. Red sox fans seem to be the only people that dont like him or think hes bad. Saying he had nothing to do with 04? If you gonna blame 08- present on tito you at least have to give him 04. Most of these arguments have no common sense or baseball knowledge in them anyway.
     
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    To add to my above post.

    Look at Baltimore a couple of games ago. Showalter, who some posters have raved about, brought back Jake Arieta in the fourth after he allowed six runs in the third. He got just one out and allowed two more runs before finally being replaced. The line -- 3.1 IP, 8 ER.

    Manny Acta kept Vargas in a game last week to have a 3.1 IP, 7 ER, 9 H line.

    Then there is Nelson Figueroa for Houston. He allowed one run in the second and five runs in the third. He's kept in the game gets through the fifth, is brought back in the sixth and allows four more runs, getting just one out before taken out.


    Just a couple of examples.
     
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    Francona also made a key decision in the 2007 ALCS.  The Sox were down 2-1 to the Indians, and some were clamoring for Beckett to start on short rest, but Francona stayed with the plan, and the Sox won three in a row, beginning with a gem by Beckett, and went on to win the WS.
     
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    Almost every MLB manager will give his starter 7 runs before taking him out early (first four innings) in the game.  Why?  Because, while a starter's most important job is keeping his team in the game, his second most important job is eating innings.  If you keep bringing your bullpen in early, you will wear them out.  And, remember, Matsuzaka gave up 7 runs before he got his first out in the second inning. 

    Francona actually got three more outs from him before bringing in Wakefield, who promptly got three outs--with no runs scored--in the 3d inning.  That's good game management. 

    Also worth noting:  the Sox only scored 5 runs, so the game was basically out of reach before Wakefield came in. 

    The Sox have 7 relievers, and only 3 of them were used last night.  That leaves 4, including the three best (Pap, Bard, and Jenks) available for tonight should it be a close game.  Ditto tomorrow. 


     
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    You're all right, he's the reason Dice-K gave up seven runs in two-plus innings. And he's the reason nobody except for Pedroia is hitting.

    When a team is playing this poorly, in all facets of the game, there's plenty of blame to go around. Tito is part of the team, so he most definitely shares the blame. But to suggest he's THE problem is absurd.
     
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     Don't forget the Players really respect him !! You can tell how much they want to play for the guy. ESPN didn't show it but did a coach even come out of the dugout during Dice-K's melt down ?? Somebody has to light a Fire under this team's butt and apparently it isn't going be the person who gets paid to do it !!
     
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    He needs to go, no game management....

     
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    Fire Francona

    At what point does Francona actually have to take some responsibilty for his losses? He doesn't manage games- he is perpetually managing the season. Sometimes you have to manage games. He does it in the postseason, but he's the worst game manager in baseball during the regular season. No bunts, no pinch hits, terrible pitching management.

    Since Schilling left we've looked like a bunch of undisciplined 4th graders out there. I'm beginning to think Schilling was Tito's brain.

    Starting McDonald in the 3rd game of the year on a team with Drew and Cameron on the bench.
    Letting Salty hit (he was like 0-10 at the time) in the 7th inning with two men on and 1 out in a 3-1 game, with Drew and Cameron on the bench.
    Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in.
    Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in.

    I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
     
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    A silly OP--but I do agree that what is true of every MLB team is true for the Sox.  If the team stays down, you can't fire the players, so you fire the manager.  It is way, way too early for that possibility. 

    The pitching is horrendous.  Not just the worst ERA in MLB, but the worst by 1.5 runs per game over the next worst pitching staff (Detroit's).

    This should not be a huge surprise because the Sox pitching last year was 9th or 10th best in AL and all five starters are back, plus Papelbon, who had his worst season ever as the closer. 

    Right now, I think Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz will have good seasons.  Ditto the bullpen trio of Pap, Bard, and Jenks and maybe a couple others.  Bad as he looks, Lackey could come around.  Matsuzaka will get another start or two before Theo makes a move. 

    And the hitting, which hasn't been as bad as the pitching but hasn't been that great either, should get a lot better. 
     
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    Francona also made a key decision in the 2007 ALCS.  The Sox were down 2-1 to the Indians, and some were clamoring for Beckett to start on short rest, but Francona stayed with the plan, and the Sox won three in a row, beginning with a gem by Beckett, and went on to win the WS.
    Posted by maxbialystock

    Let's say I accept this as a good decision....ummm 2007???
     
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    Has he made another correct decision since then? The team is dead under his leadership and he has lost the team despite what all his loyal backers are saying and telling us what a great manager he is. Not great, not good, not even average. He weak and the sox need a strong person leading this team. Mr softy didn't cut it last year and won't this year either. Unless the FO does something withing the next few days you can kiss this season goodby and hope they don't finish last in the AL east.


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    [QUOTE]Francona also made a key decision in the 2007 ALCS.  The Sox were down 2-1 to the Indians, and some were clamoring for Beckett to start on short rest, but Francona stayed with the plan, and the Sox won three in a row, beginning with a gem by Beckett, and went on to win the WS.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
     
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    Glad to see you are still around. This thread is probably the most important one of the whole forum. If this guy isn't replaced very soon we all will be saying wait til next year, after all our injured players return.

    Oh wait that was last years excuse.

    In Response to Re: Fire Francona:
    In Response to Re: Fire Francona : Let's say I accept this as a good decision....ummm 2007???
    Posted by BOSOX1941
     
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    Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in. Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in. I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
    Posted by Scott8340


    In tonight's Baltimore-NYY game, Buck Showalter, the most brilliant manager in baseball history, didn't remove his starter Tillman until he had imploded, with 6 runs in and runners on second and third in the second inning.

    HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF 'EM???
     
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    Why would you want to fire the manager of the

    Best

    Team

    EV-AH!

    ?

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html
     
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    In Response to Re: Fire Francona:
    Glad to see you are still around. This thread is probably the most important one of the whole forum. If this guy isn't replaced very soon we all will be saying wait til next year, after all our injured players return. Oh wait that was last years excuse. In Response to Re: Fire Francona :
    Posted by REDSOX-11


    Keep venting. It is good for you, Georom says so. Let it all hang out.  It is also great for the forum since the forum thrives on negative talk. Many come here for this kind of talk. The Globe depends on hits to the forum and a cat fight is always productive.  The forum would indeed be boring and unprofitable if everyone acted like a Red Sox fan. Keep up the  negative talk, it sells.
     
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    The only comment I would have on replacing him is:  you cannot fire the players, regardless of how poorly they are playing and they are indeed playing poorly - so that only leaves getting rid of Francona or Theo since nobody can fire management.  With the talent on this team you shouldn't even need a manager.  Crawford should be able to hit no matter where he is in the lineup.  Six starters hitting below .200 is ridiculous and of course the fault of the manager.  An astronomical ERA is a joke and of course the fault of the manager.  The 2-9 start is terrible and of course the fault of the manager.  So yes I have to agree - fire Francona and hire some unemployed genius sitting around waiting to be recognized as a real talent by the Sox management and let's get on with the season!
     
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    In Response to Re: Fire Francona:
    In Response to Fire Francona : In tonight's Baltimore-NYY game, Buck Showalter, the most brilliant manager in baseball history, didn't remove his starter Tillman until he had imploded, with 6 runs in and runners on second and third in the second inning. HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF 'EM???
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut


    Hey. Learn how to read stats. That didn't happen tonight. Stop making things up. You know that no other manager in baseball except for Francona would let that happen. Don't you ready the posts by baseballdr. or 1941. They'll tell you. Only Francona doesn't know when to replace a pitcher. Showalter would have seen is starter struggling and would have replaced him earlier.

    Go read the boxscore again. It probably wasn't up to date. There were probably five or six pitcher in the game during that span, because there's no way any manager in baseball would let one pitcher give up all those runs.
     
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    Anybody see what happened to Arizona's pitcher tonight? He's given up 8 runs in two innings and is STILL in the game (at least when I wrote this).

    There goes the theory Tito is the only one.
     
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    In Response to Re: Fire Francona:
    In Response to Re: Fire Francona : Same here..the amount of threads on this subject is ridiculous..
    Posted by southpaw777

          I agree. Francona doesn't pitch, hit, field, run the bases, etc. This team is not playing well...that's it. Francona has 2 WS Rings as Manager. It is not his fault. The team chemistry may be the issue. The new guys, Crawford, Agon, Salty may not have earned the complete trust of the veterans on the team. I don't know. The pitching has been off also. Again, new pitching coach...maybe communications is awry. There are issues, but Francona is not the problem. 
     
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    Re: Fire Francona

    Go fire yourself.
     
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