Fire Francona

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    [QUOTE]I just dont get it. When they win, Francona is no where to be mentioned. If they lose it's solely his fault. These tito convos are dumb. Red sox fans seem to be the only people that dont like him or think hes bad. Saying he had nothing to do with 04? If you gonna blame 08- present on tito you at least have to give him 04. Most of these arguments have no common sense or baseball knowledge in them anyway.
    Posted by redsoxlaxer12[/QUOTE]

    wait never mind. Even if they win francona gets blamed for doing something wrong and is called luckey. Or better yet is blkamed for an "if they had lost". Well they didn't so STF.U
     
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    Tito is a good overall manager because he maintains a calmness during the lows of the post season and a long season. However, he's not a strong field manager and this team has too many lazy veterans who are allowed to be undisciplined in approach. It will take an urgency like this lousy start to get them to wake up. Tito should have dropped the hammer in spring training. They were mailing it in on the effort department in spring training. The record wasn't the issue, and players shouldn't over exert in ST, but they were completely lazy and mailing it in during spring training. It's carried over out of the gates.
     
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    [QUOTE] Has there ever been a shot on TV with Francona discussing the game with anybody in the dugout ??  
    Posted by ALaGatorAL[/QUOTE]

    From what I've seen the amount of interaction he has with people in the dugout is the same as the other managers have. 
     
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    [QUOTE]                        Hey Lubcom, I think you've got something there. It goes to having a "feel" for the game, an attribute he never had  in Phila. or in Boston. He can't feel the danger coming, he prays a lot. This is vintage Francona. 
    Posted by eggplants[/QUOTE]

    GEORGE W. prayed a lot also; nothing good came of that.
    praying doesn't make you smarter; only staying overnight at a HOLIDAY INN will do that.
     
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    Fire Francona

    At what point does Francona actually have to take some responsibilty for his losses? He doesn't manage games- he is perpetually managing the season. Sometimes you have to manage games. He does it in the postseason, but he's the worst game manager in baseball during the regular season. No bunts, no pinch hits, terrible pitching management.

    Since Schilling left we've looked like a bunch of undisciplined 4th graders out there. I'm beginning to think Schilling was Tito's brain.

    Starting McDonald in the 3rd game of the year on a team with Drew and Cameron on the bench.
    Letting Salty hit (he was like 0-10 at the time) in the 7th inning with two men on and 1 out in a 3-1 game, with Drew and Cameron on the bench.
    Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in.
    Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in.

    I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
     
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    He needs to go, no game management....

     
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    [QUOTE]If they would ever take their head out of their butts and learn something about the game, they'd realize how ignorant their posts are. 
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    AMEN.
     
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     Don't forget the Players really respect him !! You can tell how much they want to play for the guy. ESPN didn't show it but did a coach even come out of the dugout during Dice-K's melt down ?? Somebody has to light a Fire under this team's butt and apparently it isn't going be the person who gets paid to do it !!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Fire Francona : No rational person does.  This just RSN with their Chicken Little mentality.  Quite frankly, the schtick has gotten really old. 
    Posted by redsoxfan791[/QUOTE]

    The Chicken Littles represent complainers and know-it-alls. If you go to any Internet forum or read the comments to online articles, you will see that most of the comments are from those types. The majority of RSN keeps their mouth shut or doesn't enjoy reading forums and comments - too much negativity. A good fan can suffer in silence. What does one gain by coming here to complain or to vent?
     
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    [QUOTE]Then look at Maddon. He gets tossed in one of the more classic manager rants in recent memory, and his team responds by putting up 16 runs on us the next night and taking at least the first two games of the series with us. Tito is awful. Like I said earlier, he was better with Schilling. Schilling was Tito's Karl Rove.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]

    Maddon is a very good manager.  I like him a lot.  But before you put him on the pedestal, maybe you can explain why the favored Rays fell short in the 2008 World Series and the 2010 ALDS. 
     
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    [QUOTE]At what point does Francona actually have to take some responsibilty for his losses? He doesn't manage games- he is perpetually managing the season. Sometimes you have to manage games. He does it in the postseason, but he's the worst game manager in baseball during the regular season. No bunts, no pinch hits, terrible pitching management. Since Schilling left we've looked like a bunch of undisciplined 4th graders out there. I'm beginning to think Schilling was Tito's brain. Starting McDonald in the 3rd game of the year on a team with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Letting Salty hit (he was like 0-10 at the time) in the 7th inning with two men on and 1 out in a 3-1 game, with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in. Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in. I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]
    You sound to me has one of those undisciplined 4th graders....Grow up someday !!
     
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    [QUOTE]At what point does Francona actually have to take some responsibilty for his losses? He doesn't manage games- he is perpetually managing the season. Sometimes you have to manage games. He does it in the postseason, but he's the worst game manager in baseball during the regular season. No bunts, no pinch hits, terrible pitching management. Since Schilling left we've looked like a bunch of undisciplined 4th graders out there. I'm beginning to think Schilling was Tito's brain. Starting McDonald in the 3rd game of the year on a team with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Letting Salty hit (he was like 0-10 at the time) in the 7th inning with two men on and 1 out in a 3-1 game, with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in. Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in. I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]
     
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    You're all right, he's the reason Dice-K gave up seven runs in two-plus innings. And he's the reason nobody except for Pedroia is hitting.

    When a team is playing this poorly, in all facets of the game, there's plenty of blame to go around. Tito is part of the team, so he most definitely shares the blame. But to suggest he's THE problem is absurd.
     
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    Trust me there are a few people who would go on to tell you if the sox record was 2-160 that it was the players fault they lost 160 games. This bush league manager gets a pass because he was in the right place at the right time and won a WS in 04. When a team is winning a 3 year old could manage it much like 04, but when the team needs guidance he is lost and clueless how to handle most situations. That's my take on it and the longer theo and co keep him the longer this type of gameplay will continue.

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    [QUOTE]At what point does Francona actually have to take some responsibilty for his losses? He doesn't manage games- he is perpetually managing the season. Sometimes you have to manage games. He does it in the postseason, but he's the worst game manager in baseball during the regular season. No bunts, no pinch hits, terrible pitching management. Since Schilling left we've looked like a bunch of undisciplined 4th graders out there. I'm beginning to think Schilling was Tito's brain. Starting McDonald in the 3rd game of the year on a team with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Letting Salty hit (he was like 0-10 at the time) in the 7th inning with two men on and 1 out in a 3-1 game, with Drew and Cameron on the bench. Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in. Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in. I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Francona also made a key decision in the 2007 ALCS.  The Sox were down 2-1 to the Indians, and some were clamoring for Beckett to start on short rest, but Francona stayed with the plan, and the Sox won three in a row, beginning with a gem by Beckett, and went on to win the WS.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    Let's say I accept this as a good decision....ummm 2007???
     
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    Has he made another correct decision since then? The team is dead under his leadership and he has lost the team despite what all his loyal backers are saying and telling us what a great manager he is. Not great, not good, not even average. He weak and the sox need a strong person leading this team. Mr softy didn't cut it last year and won't this year either. Unless the FO does something withing the next few days you can kiss this season goodby and hope they don't finish last in the AL east.


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    [QUOTE]Francona also made a key decision in the 2007 ALCS.  The Sox were down 2-1 to the Indians, and some were clamoring for Beckett to start on short rest, but Francona stayed with the plan, and the Sox won three in a row, beginning with a gem by Beckett, and went on to win the WS.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
     
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    Glad to see you are still around. This thread is probably the most important one of the whole forum. If this guy isn't replaced very soon we all will be saying wait til next year, after all our injured players return.

    Oh wait that was last years excuse.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Fire Francona : Let's say I accept this as a good decision....ummm 2007???
    Posted by BOSOX1941[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Waiting till Lackey had given up 9 runs to put Wake in. Waiting till Dice K had given up 7 runs and let two more get on base before putting Wake in. I could go on and on. All you have to do is watch one game to see moves he misses.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]

    In tonight's Baltimore-NYY game, Buck Showalter, the most brilliant manager in baseball history, didn't remove his starter Tillman until he had imploded, with 6 runs in and runners on second and third in the second inning.

    HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF 'EM???
     
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    Why would you want to fire the manager of the

    Best

    Team

    EV-AH!

    ?

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html
     
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    [QUOTE]Glad to see you are still around. This thread is probably the most important one of the whole forum. If this guy isn't replaced very soon we all will be saying wait til next year, after all our injured players return. Oh wait that was last years excuse. In Response to Re: Fire Francona :
    Posted by REDSOX-11[/QUOTE]

    Keep venting. It is good for you, Georom says so. Let it all hang out.  It is also great for the forum since the forum thrives on negative talk. Many come here for this kind of talk. The Globe depends on hits to the forum and a cat fight is always productive.  The forum would indeed be boring and unprofitable if everyone acted like a Red Sox fan. Keep up the  negative talk, it sells.
     
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    The only comment I would have on replacing him is:  you cannot fire the players, regardless of how poorly they are playing and they are indeed playing poorly - so that only leaves getting rid of Francona or Theo since nobody can fire management.  With the talent on this team you shouldn't even need a manager.  Crawford should be able to hit no matter where he is in the lineup.  Six starters hitting below .200 is ridiculous and of course the fault of the manager.  An astronomical ERA is a joke and of course the fault of the manager.  The 2-9 start is terrible and of course the fault of the manager.  So yes I have to agree - fire Francona and hire some unemployed genius sitting around waiting to be recognized as a real talent by the Sox management and let's get on with the season!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Fire Francona : In tonight's Baltimore-NYY game, Buck Showalter, the most brilliant manager in baseball history, didn't remove his starter Tillman until he had imploded, with 6 runs in and runners on second and third in the second inning. HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF 'EM???
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    Hey. Learn how to read stats. That didn't happen tonight. Stop making things up. You know that no other manager in baseball except for Francona would let that happen. Don't you ready the posts by baseballdr. or 1941. They'll tell you. Only Francona doesn't know when to replace a pitcher. Showalter would have seen is starter struggling and would have replaced him earlier.

    Go read the boxscore again. It probably wasn't up to date. There were probably five or six pitcher in the game during that span, because there's no way any manager in baseball would let one pitcher give up all those runs.
     
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    Anybody see what happened to Arizona's pitcher tonight? He's given up 8 runs in two innings and is STILL in the game (at least when I wrote this).

    There goes the theory Tito is the only one.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Fire Francona : Same here..the amount of threads on this subject is ridiculous..
    Posted by southpaw777[/QUOTE]
          I agree. Francona doesn't pitch, hit, field, run the bases, etc. This team is not playing well...that's it. Francona has 2 WS Rings as Manager. It is not his fault. The team chemistry may be the issue. The new guys, Crawford, Agon, Salty may not have earned the complete trust of the veterans on the team. I don't know. The pitching has been off also. Again, new pitching coach...maybe communications is awry. There are issues, but Francona is not the problem. 
     
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    Go fire yourself.
     

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