Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:03 AM EDT
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Sure I would, but in order to do that he'd have to manage well, and he doesn't. And Maddon has finished higher than Tito in 3 of the last 4 years, which is pathetic. Wouldn't it be nice to have a real manager? Hopefully we'll find out.
Posted by Scott8340
Yet Francona's two rings mean nothing to you....2004 he beat the Yankees who had a much higher payroll and 2007 won the title and the division and had the second highest payroll in the division
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:04 AM EDT
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But you didn't answer my question Pesky. Should you be allowed to miss the playoffs two years in a row with that much talent?
Is Tito to be held responsible for anything?
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:07 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona! : Who cares what the board thinks? What do you think? Do you think he should have used a LH PH there? It seems like the MOST obvious coaching move - but maybe you think coaches should play hunches with 24 year olds who are starting their SECOND game ever. PH a lefty there was the right move no matter how it turned out.
Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost
This entire thread is about what the board thinks and all the threads about why Tito should be fired and they contradict themselves. The logical move would be to pinch hit a lefty but as I said if it did not work out these would be the comments "tito needs to stop using his damn computer and his damn fascination with lefty/righty splits...He is such a Coma, Maddon would not have done that"
Now maybe I am wrong...but have you ever defended a move that Francona has made that did not turn out well? The example being this one if Lowrie came into pinch hit and popped up
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:16 AM EDT
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Ok, I have been saying for the past month that the Sox should make Maddon an offer he can't refuse. Just examine what he has done year after with the Rays and with far less talent than the Red Sox. RED SOX NATION SHOULD BAN TOGETHER AND LET THE OWNERS KNOW THAT WE WANT MADDON />
Man, you guys are priceless. The point is that Lackey and Crawford are proven great players and they turn to crap under Francona. Don't you wonder how Lackey was an ace for so long under Sciosia, or how Crawford was an All Star for so long under Maddon. Seriously, compare Maddon to Francona. Really, you guys need to just shut up tonight.
Posted by Scott8340
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:18 AM EDT
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But you didn't answer my question Pesky. Should you be allowed to miss the playoffs two years in a row with that much talent? Is Tito to be held responsible for anything?
Posted by Scott8340
Here is what you are missing...you go to the extremes...I am defending him because the constant Francoma crap is stupid. He is blamed for EVERYTHING. Do I think he needs to have some blame? Yes I do...not for specific moves but for maybe the culture. Maybe he has been there too long and the players have tuned him out...maybe his style has worn thin..all valid points. But to call him Francoma, to say he is a moron, to say he doesnt know baseball, to say he couldnt manage a little league team is crap and when I get on here and defend him from this comments I get "so you dont think he ha done anything wrong huh? You think he is perfect? yeah, you are a moron then"....uh huh
As I said, I am sick of the notion that when the Sox wins it is because of the talent and the payroll..when they lose it is all him
You want to compare Maddon and Francona? Let's go...we know about the rings...how about job pressure? Who has a tougher job? Maddon has 10 Rays fans, one beat writer and one newspaper...any success the Rays have is icing on the cake..they win 82 games and he has done a great job because of his payroll.
Tito must win a ring every year or he is a moron and even when he wins a ring then it is because of the payroll and he is supposed to do it. It's crap..all of it.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:20 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona! : Ok, I have been saying for the past month that the Sox should make Maddon an offer he can't refuse. Just examine what he has done year after with the Rays and with far less talent than the Red Sox. RED SOX NATION SHOULD BAN TOGETHER AND LET THE OWNERS KNOW THAT WE WANT MADDON />
Posted by lifelongsoxdawg
And the first year Maddon and the Sox get swept in the playoffs or dont make the playoffs then you will call him MORDON and wish you had Kirk Gibson because he wins his division every couple years with a low payroll
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:22 AM EDT
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That is an unfair comparision. I contend that if Maddon had managed the Sox this year the sox would be preparing for the playoffs.
In Response to Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona! : Ok...let's compare Francona 2 rings Maddon 0 rings
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Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:22 AM EDT
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I am advocating for a new manager however I disapprove of dissing the man with headlines such as "moron, garbage, etc.," as these are cruel terms for a manager who helped bring two rings. Perhaps his time has come but he deserves respect none the less.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:23 AM EDT
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Last night Darnell McDonald hit a pop fly to just the right spot in right field. The ball landed in between the 2nd baseman, the 1st baseman, and the rightfielder. When it landed it glanced off a players glove and went about 10 feet away. A player with McDonald's speed should've easily been on 3rd, but he pouted and jogged down to first base, only pulling into 2nd after the ball landed.
It's the manager's responsibility to fix that right when it happens, which should have been several years ago for Francona. On this team that's the norm.
On the Yankees, even Teixeira runs out popups. He hustles his a ss off. So does everyone else. And everyone on the Rays too. Watch them.
On our team, a player that hits .230 can loaf and not get a word said to him. That's on Francona.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:24 AM EDT
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Oh, and McDonald would have scored and didn't. His loafing cost us a run.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:25 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona! : That is an unfair comparision. I contend that if Maddon had managed the Sox this year the sox would be preparing for the playoffs.
Posted by lifelongsoxdawg
You contend but you have no idea...How do you know what Maddon would do with high priced talent with ego's? How do you know what he would do with the expectation that you must win it all to be a success? You dont know....he manages young kids and journeyman players...he does a great job with them...and no doubt he is a vey good manager...but nobody knows how that would translate to Boston...just look at Crawford...he is a shell of himself making the move in his first year...that can happen to managers as well...just a thought
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:33 AM EDT
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Who could deny that the past two seasons, in particular, the teams fundementals have fallen off the table completely. There hasn't been any sense of urgency all season and I believe this team thought they could just turn it on at any minute and that obvioulsy didn't happen !! Who is the blame for that ?? The manager !!
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:35 AM EDT
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Who could deny that the past two seasons, in particular, the teams fundementals have fallen off the table completely. There hasn't been any sense of urgency all season and I believe this team thought they could just turn it on at any minute and that obvioulsy didn't happen !! Who is the blame for that ?? The manager !!
Posted by ALaGatorAL
Valid points....but now wait for the next ten people to go to extremes...wait for the "Coma" comments and how he is a moron...wait for it...
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:36 AM EDT
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Two more little league baserunning errors tonight and during a season you really need a manager that can tell players when they've screwed up and not just say, "oh, that's in the past" all season long. I was complaining about Francona when we were winning because bad baseball is bad baseball, and it usually catches up with you. That's three times in recent years it's caught up with Francona. He gets more talent than anybody and does so little with it. A frog could've managed this team to 100 wins. Francona managed 90. Fire the clown.
Posted by Scott8340
Nice that you call the best manager this team has had in 93 YEARS...a "Piece of garbage". When you mess up at work (as you surely do...assuming you have a job) Does your boss call you a piece of garbage? Grow up!
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:36 AM EDT
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Who could deny that the past two seasons, in particular, the teams fundementals have fallen off the table completely. There hasn't been any sense of urgency all season and I believe this team thought they could just turn it on at any minute and that obvioulsy didn't happen !! Who is the blame for that ?? The manager !!
Posted by ALaGatorAL
or...calling him a piece of garbage....yeah...because of when you think of Francona the first thing that should come to your mind is that he is a piece of garbage...classic crap
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:38 AM EDT
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In Response to Fire the piece of garbage Francona! : Nice that you call the best manager this team has had in 93 YEARS...a "Piece of garbage". When you mess up at work (as you surely do...assuming you have a job) Does your boss call you a piece of garbage? Grow up!
Posted by null
Exactly. I am hoping Scott is 12 years old...but something tells me he is a grown man
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:39 AM EDT
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He might be grown..... but he is NOT a man.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:43 AM EDT
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Hey when you've seen his idiocy for as long as I have you realize that as a manager he truly is a piece of garbage.
I watch many of the games on the other team's home network. The announcers always start off talking about what a great manager he is. I grimace and wait because by the end of the game they are usually flummoxed that he either did or didn't do something. It's usually that he didn't do something, hence the "coma" comments.
He's an awful baseball manager and that's what it took to keep this team of MVP candidates out of the postseason.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:43 AM EDT
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Hey when you've seen his idiocy for as long as I have you realize that as a manager he truly is a piece of garbage. I watch many of the games on the other team's home network. The announcers always start off talking about what a great manager he is. I grimace and wait because by the end of the game they are usually flummoxed that he either did or didn't do something. It's usually that he didn't do something, hence the "coma" comments. He's an awful baseball manager and that's what it took to keep this team of MVP candidates out of the postseason.
Posted by Scott8340
Your out of line dude.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:46 AM EDT
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or...calling him a piece of garbage....yeah...because of when you think of Francona the first thing that should come to your mind is that he is a piece of garbage...classic crap
Let me call your attention to an earlier posting to this thread...
Posts: 2890
First: 6/22/2008
Last: 9/29/2011 | I don't think Francona should be fired and he certainly
isn't a piece of garbage. I think he should just resign
or step aside. I look foward to following his career
with another team !!GO SOX 2012 !! |
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:47 AM EDT
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When we have seen him for as long as you have? Did he manage some games that only you got to see? You have NO IDEA waht makes a good major league manager...you just need someone to bash little boy.... I will ask the question that NEVER gets answered by people like you.... who would you replace him with? Answer with candidates who are not currently under contract to another team, dead or have no experience managing at any level. You wont answer of course...but I will wait. You piece of garbage.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:49 AM EDT
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How about when the media would ask Francona about a specific awful play. A sloppy, no hustle play that you should never see in MLB. Francona, night after night, would say, "that's in the past" and "he tries harder than anybody" and "we're focused on the future because what happened in the past doesn't matter".
Well, it never got fixed. It just never got fixed. It didn't last year either.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:51 AM EDT
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Hey LOOK SCOTT DIDN"T ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! WHAT A SURPRISE!!!!!
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:54 AM EDT
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null, you are another Tito bootlicking fool.
I'd love Tom Foley, current Rays 3rd base coach. Worked under McRae, Piniella, and now Maddon. Great man too.
You were wrong.
Re: Fire the piece of garbage Francona!
posted at 9/29/2011 2:57 AM EDT
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I said I was all for a change - I have been upset with him for more than just 2011 - but your out of line by calling him names that you would never dare call someone to their face because you likley would get punched for it. Your not anyone I would hope to know.
