First Base Situation - What about Ortiz / Gomez / Kotchman

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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     




     

     

    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.



    You said the Ortiz was about to go bankrupt after the 2011 because he isn't going to get a contract and all his other business operatunties are going to fail. Your a bit bias.

     
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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     




     

     

    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.

     



    You said the Ortiz was about to go bankrupt after the 2011 because he isn't going to get a contract and all his other business operatunties are going to fail. Your a bit bias.

     




    I don't believe I used those words, but I sure you have my posts on file.  btw, it is opportunity.

     
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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     




     

     

    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.

     



    You said the Ortiz was about to go bankrupt after the 2011 because he isn't going to get a contract and all his other business operatunties are going to fail. Your a bit bias.

     



    Jackbu only shows up to bash Ortiz.  Maybe he is a Yankee fan who still isn't over 2004.  There are a lot of posters on here with "agendas" against certain players, managers, executives, etc. They never come clean with an explanation as to why, but a "Sox fan" having a vendetta against a guy like Ortiz, who has done so much for that organization, on and off the field, is a little strange to say the least. 

     
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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     


    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.

     



    And you can back up that claim, right?

     




    Each time I put an Ortiz comment up, I get the same group who come out to defend him.  He getting twice what the average dh gets and there are some on this board who think he is under paid.

    I won't go thru the threads to satisfy your request.  Ortiz is over paid and after only playing half of last season, he was grossly over paid on his current contract.

     
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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     




     

     

    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.

     



    You said the Ortiz was about to go bankrupt after the 2011 because he isn't going to get a contract and all his other business operatunties are going to fail. Your a bit bias.

     

     



    Jackbu only shows up to bash Ortiz.  Maybe he is a Yankee fan who still isn't over 2004.  There are a lot of posters on here with "agendas" against certain players, managers, executives, etc. They never come clean with an explanation as to why, but a "Sox fan" having a vendetta against a guy like Ortiz, who has done so much for that organization, on and off the field, is a little strange to say the least. 

     



    Not strange at all.  A lot of posters on this board only care about one stat.  Age.

     
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    I'll be surprised if Ortiz makes it through more than one year of that last contract, and it won't suprise me if he breaks down in 2013. I think he has permanent wheel damage and will be lucky to produce 75% of what he did in 2012 when he hit the DL for the last segment of the season.

     




     

     

    I agree yet there are the ortiz lovers who think this guy will hit 40 homers and most of them in clutch situations.

     



    You said the Ortiz was about to go bankrupt after the 2011 because he isn't going to get a contract and all his other business operatunties are going to fail. Your a bit bias.

     

     



    Jackbu only shows up to bash Ortiz.  Maybe he is a Yankee fan who still isn't over 2004.  There are a lot of posters on here with "agendas" against certain players, managers, executives, etc. They never come clean with an explanation as to why, but a "Sox fan" having a vendetta against a guy like Ortiz, who has done so much for that organization, on and off the field, is a little strange to say the least. 

     

     



    Not strange at all.  A lot of posters on this board only care about one stat.  Age.

     



    Jackbu's obsession seems to go well beyond "age" with Ortiz, but I agree that certain posters think players are completely useless after the age of 32...

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     




    He just remembered he has an important appointment. ;-)

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun



    Admit it!

    You're Tom Werner!!

     

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     




    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.



    While true, he has been pitched around in the clutch like never before.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    Admit it!

     

    You're Tom Werner!!

     




     

    ha, that is funny but Tom was probably the one who pushed for Ortiz's two year contract.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.



    Last year Ortiz had decent clutch stats. Just checked baseballreference.com. The entire team had lousy clutch stats hitting because they lost 93 games. Hard to accumulate game winning hits in a losing season.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.

     



    Last year Ortiz had decent clutch stats. Just checked baseballreference.com. The entire team had lousy clutch stats hitting because they lost 93 games. Hard to accumulate game winning hits in a losing season.

     




     

    last year he only played half the season, or are you forgetting that.  Check to see how many game winning RBI's he had and get back to me.  But I like your last statement about the losing season.  He WAS part of the problem and not the solution, so another reason he should have been shown the door.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.

     



    Last year Ortiz had decent clutch stats. Just checked baseballreference.com. The entire team had lousy clutch stats hitting because they lost 93 games. Hard to accumulate game winning hits in a losing season.

     

     




     

     

    last year he only played half the season, or are you forgetting that.  Check to see how many game winning RBI's he had and get back to me.  But I like your last statement about the losing season.  He WAS part of the problem and not the solution, so another reason he should have been shown the door.



    Just think!

    You've got 2 more years to complain about him!

    That'll make things easier for you.

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.

     



    Last year Ortiz had decent clutch stats. Just checked baseballreference.com. The entire team had lousy clutch stats hitting because they lost 93 games. Hard to accumulate game winning hits in a losing season.

     

     




     

     

    last year he only played half the season, or are you forgetting that.  Check to see how many game winning RBI's he had and get back to me.  But I like your last statement about the losing season.  He WAS part of the problem and not the solution, so another reason he should have been shown the door.

     



    Just think!

     

    You've got 2 more years to complain about him!

    That'll make things easier for you.




    I am a sox fan so I hope he comes out of the blocks hitting the ball out of fenway.  If he hits I will give him credit and write nice things. 

     
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    On the political board, anyone who disagrees with some bloggers is called a liberal.  Here when one disagrees, they are called a yankee fan.

    I am not a yankee fan.  Went to my first sox game in 65. Grew up near fenway and travelled between the pawsox and fenway for years.  I used to be a huge ortiz fan but his time came and went several years ago.  The sox have not won with him in years and will not win this year either.

    Ortiz will not have a good year.  Some how he will put up decent numbers, but once again as I keep saying, his homers will mostly come off triple a pitchers and when it does not matter.

     



    So which is it? Have the courage of your convictions. If he puts up decent numbers that will be a good year. That's how it is measured in baseball, especially for a DH.

     

     




     

    It is more about decent numbers.  It is about the winning RBI's and ortiz has not had a lot of those in recent years.  Look at his playoff stats the last two times.  He whines and has already given intervies that his foot is still not right.

    He is terrible on the bases and last year proved that he still takes a long time to recover from injuries.

    Have to take off soon, it has been fun

     



    How many players meet your standard? This kind of stat tends to change from season to season. Good teams have players that contribute in many ways. If Ortiz contributes to run production, this helps win games, whether the RBI's are "game winning" or part of the scoring that leads to a win.

     

     




     

    You keep missing the point.  For the last several years, many of Ortiz;s RBI's have not been clutch.  They come when the pressure is off with the game out of hand.  When the game is 4 to 2  with the sox down and men on, David has not been as productive as 07 and before.

     



    Last year Ortiz had decent clutch stats. Just checked baseballreference.com. The entire team had lousy clutch stats hitting because they lost 93 games. Hard to accumulate game winning hits in a losing season.

     

     




     

     

    last year he only played half the season, or are you forgetting that.  Check to see how many game winning RBI's he had and get back to me.  But I like your last statement about the losing season.  He WAS part of the problem and not the solution, so another reason he should have been shown the door.



    He was the one consistant producer until the AT injury, which was the only problem...But they werent going anywhere anyway.

    Im not sure how Papi will do this year. If hes healthy I see 30hr 100RBI, just like he was headed for last year. Problem is, I also believe that heel will be an issue at some point this year.

     
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    If Papi was part of the problem, that doesn't say too much about the rest of the team. Who exactly was part of the solution? They certainly didn't lose games because of Papi.

     
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    If Papi was part of the problem, that doesn't say too much about the rest of the team. Who exactly was part of the solution? They certainly didn't lose games because of Papi.




    You can analyze the rest of the team.  You never did get back to me on Ortiz's winning RBI's from last season.  Yes, the sox did lose a few games last season due to Ortiz's poor base running skills.   One could easily argue that his muliple 0 for 20 slumps, cost the team some games.  I see you have a pink hat for an avatar.  Ortiz's signing was to please the pink hats and boost ratings.

     
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    If Papi was part of the problem, that doesn't say too much about the rest of the team. Who exactly was part of the solution? They certainly didn't lose games because of Papi.

     




     

    You can analyze the rest of the team.  You never did get back to me on Ortiz's winning RBI's from last season.  Yes, the sox did lose a few games last season due to Ortiz's poor base running skills.   One could easily argue that his muliple 0 for 20 slumps, cost the team some games.  I see you have a pink hat for an avatar.  Ortiz's signing was to please the pink hats and boost ratings.



    Actually, Ortiz never had an 0 for 20 stretch last season,  let alone "multiple"...

     
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    If Papi was part of the problem, that doesn't say too much about the rest of the team. Who exactly was part of the solution? They certainly didn't lose games because of Papi.

     




     

    You can analyze the rest of the team.  You never did get back to me on Ortiz's winning RBI's from last season.  Yes, the sox did lose a few games last season due to Ortiz's poor base running skills.   One could easily argue that his muliple 0 for 20 slumps, cost the team some games.  I see you have a pink hat for an avatar.  Ortiz's signing was to please the pink hats and boost ratings.

     



    Actually, Ortiz never had an 0 for 20 stretch last season,  let alone "multiple"...

     




    You're crazy and he had a few 0 for 20's before his injury. I was on twitter talking to some of the beat writers, asking them when they were going to use the "slump" work.  The radio guys did use the "slump" word when ortiz went 0 for 23.

     
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