Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    In response to pinstripezac's comment:


    2) why still play the injury card in late Dec

    4) how do you know they won't be repeated ?




    Don't get me started Zac.....

    As far as "still playing the injury card in December" goes,  I think the article had more to do with the team's outlook for 2013 than it did with "still playing the injury card in December".

    I don't see anything wrong with the link to this article being posted.

     

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    about 50% of those injuries involved beckett and his backfat strains....so next year will be better no matter what

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    Who in the hell can read your posts? Ugly as heck... with all that spacing, red letters, and amateur cut and paste and photoshop garbage. 

    Must be why I never read what you have to say, utterly ugly to look at.

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

     

    pikesaysthis and his many aliases. One schizo poster who drivels on and on about other posters and rarely baseball. Crazy, lonely and sad.

    This from a poster who calls him/herself hello its me again.  Rich.

     

     

    Back to the OP.  Unfortunatley, one might expect injuries to Pedroia, Ortiz and Buchholz again, since this is a trend on all three.  The injury to Ortiz particularly concerns me, as it is a sign of old age, and seems to me to be the kind of injury that will revisit itself from time to time as he plays on.

    That said, the odds are that the Sox will endure fewer DL visits this season than last, and more importantly are much better suited to handle any such trips to the DL, it seems to me.  The big thing the Yankees have been able to do is to replace injured players with seasoned ballplayers who maintain production in the vacated spot.  The Sox last season ended up with a AAA team that could not muster much production offensively or on the mound, in replacing the injured players.  2013 roster is much deeper in this regard, IMO.

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    2012 Days on the DL for batters.

    Red Sox 725

    Yanks     400

    Injuries were not the biggest problem of 2012.

    The SP were relatively healthy they just performed poorly.

    Starts: JL 33     CB 29     FD 29    JB 21     AC 18 

    Production dropped due to injury in CF and DH, but  improved in LF with injury.

    DH  '11 .925        '12 .833 

    LF  '11 .723         '12  .744

    CF  '11 .918         '12   .654

    1B  '11  .954        '12  .795

    2B  '11   .862        '12  .768

    3B  '11   .812        '12   .703

     

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    The 2012 Oakland A's won the AL West despite losing McCarthy and Anderson down the stretch.  That's two top starters.  Others need to pick it up for the team.


    Three of the first four teams on the 2010-12 graph won their division in 2012 (representing half of the division-winners in baseball). The Red Sox were the lone exception.

     

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    How many players on other teams played while injured?

    Will you "not count" those games either?

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    OK, so if the "costly injuries" to other contenders do not happen in 2013 either, what have we gained?

    Imagine the A's with Cespedes & Brett Anderson 100% healthy all year.

    The Yanks with ARod and many others 100%.

     

     

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    The author of the article had no intention to compare to other teams, he was merely trying to guess that Bucholz will be healthier this coming season than last year. You know, trying to be positive and hopeful.

    The reason to be more sanguine on Clay is that he started using a splitter for the first time ever around the time he started to pitch well again.  In Aug and Sep almost ten percent of his pitches were the split.

    There a two h's in buchholz.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/clay-buchholz-dive-into-the-splits/

    (( ""Buchholz started using the splitter when he couldn’t get a feel for his change-up and used the pitcher’s count/bases empty situation to try it. You may have noticed on the spin chart another outlier (with a bit more velocity) that looks like another possible splitter, but apparently Buchholz threwonly the one splitter in that at-bat to Johnson (the other pitch was likely a slow sinker). 

    Big thanks to Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal for answering my questions on Twitter and confirming my suspicions that Buchholz was throwing a split. "" )) by  Lucas Apostoleris   http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/dispatch_article/a-splitter-from-buchholz/

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    everyone has injuries

    some teams just weren't built to handle them

    time to move on pike



    Yes, but you cant go only by a raw number of days Zac. The Red Sox injuries were to more key players than NY. Im not saying NY never had key injuries, but over all, the players that went down for Bos were more desperately needed at the time they went down.

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

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    Yes, but you cant go only by a raw number of days Zac.

    I agree Examiner

    not that it always helps 'the sox had 2 many injuries' case

    I assume DiceK & lackeys days on the DL are included

    but IMO they have no merit in the debate

    regardless on whether RSN actually wanted them to pitch or not

    management had plenty of time to get replacements for them

    unlike a post 7/31 injury which would count as less days on the DL

    but much harder to add a replacement


    The Red Sox injuries were to more key players than NY. Im not saying NY never had key injuries, but over all, the players that went down for Bos were more desperately needed at the time they went down.

    is it not the GM's lack of bench that makes

    one '' more desperately needed at the time they went down''

    than an other player


    was anyone surprised at the results on the graph


    as others have pointed out

    yes the sox had a lot of injuries

    but IMO 2012 was more about

    the rotation not pitching to their norms

    and the GM not doing better at replacing the injured



    Well, I cant disagree with that over all, but the fact remains that the problems would not have arisen without the injuries. But youre right about Buchholz and Lester not pitching up to snuff. However, the Bailey injury especially set the whole staff on its ear at the last moment.

     
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    Re: Five Costly Injuries of 2012 won't be repeated

    In response to TheExaminer's comment:

    In response to pinstripezac's comment:

    Yes, but you cant go only by a raw number of days Zac.

    I agree Examiner

    not that it always helps 'the sox had 2 many injuries' case

    I assume DiceK & lackeys days on the DL are included

    but IMO they have no merit in the debate

    regardless on whether RSN actually wanted them to pitch or not

    management had plenty of time to get replacements for them

    unlike a post 7/31 injury which would count as less days on the DL

    but much harder to add a replacement


    The Red Sox injuries were to more key players than NY. Im not saying NY never had key injuries, but over all, the players that went down for Bos were more desperately needed at the time they went down.

    is it not the GM's lack of bench that makes

    one '' more desperately needed at the time they went down''

    than an other player


    was anyone surprised at the results on the graph


    as others have pointed out

    yes the sox had a lot of injuries

    but IMO 2012 was more about

    the rotation not pitching to their norms

    and the GM not doing better at replacing the injured



    Well, I cant disagree with that over all, but the fact remains that the problems would not have arisen without the injuries. But youre right about Buchholz and Lester not pitching up to snuff. However, the Bailey injury especially set the whole staff on its ear at the last moment.




    Good point. However, Rivera was out for most of the season too with little impact due to depth. Aceves is a pretty good pitcher, though, but the opportunites weren't as plentiful as the SP didn't go deep into games; and the Crawford contract didn't help, nor the MGR related dissension. It takes alot of reasons to have a season like that.

     
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