For David Ortiz, it's motivation via the media

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    For David Ortiz, it's motivation via the media

    By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

    Motivation comes from different places for all of us. For athletes, it often comes via the media.

    Bill Belichick is famous for finding quotes in stories that are even slightly disparaging about the Patriots and making sure his players hear about them. Preseason predictions also make good fodder. The "nobody believes in us" theme works for plenty of coaches or managers regardless of whether it's actually true or not.

    So it was no great surprise that David Ortiz posted this message on Twitter yesterday:

     

    Finishing my workout to have another monster season for all those media hater that still doubting!!!

     

    The slightly misspelled tweet included a photograph of a svelte-looking Ortiz at the gym in a sweat-stained shirt.

    Ortiz is angry because a number of columnists and radio personalities took him to task after he lobbied for a contract extension in December and again during a television interview in January.

    The Globe's Dan Shaughnessy wrote that Ortiz was "tone-deaf, selfish, and offensive."

    Back in December, the Herald's Steve Buckley wrote that Ortiz was "like an old vaudeville comic who keeps using the same act in city after city, year after year."

    Surely Dan and Buck are on the "media haters" list that Ortiz has in his head. He may even take it out on them for a day or two in spring training, although that never lasts. Ortiz is too gregarious to stay in a foul mood very long.

    The funny thing about Ortiz having a Nixonian media enemies list is how well he is treated by the press in Boston. Everybody likes the guy and goodness knows he has given us plenty of exciting things to write about over the years. Ortiz is one of the few athletes you usually get a honest answer from and the "Big Papi" personality is one we cheerfully propagate for the most part.

    Can you imagine if Alex Rodriguez stood watching his home runs and jogged slowly around the bases? Or if he dropped a f-bomb on live television? Or if another 38-year-old player asked for a contract extension with $15 million left on his deal?

    The Red Sox have made it clear, on numerous occasions, they want Ortiz to retire with the team, so all of his hubbub in the Hub is probably meaningless. But Ortiz is trying to get more guaranteed money out of the team now after seeing some of the contracts doled out this winter. You can disagree with his methods, but he's got a good point given the state of baseball's economy.

    Ben Cherington and John Farrell surely loved that tweet. If being mad at Shaughnessy kept Ortiz on the treadmill another 15 minutes, that works for them.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/for_ortiz_its_motivation_via_the_media.html

     
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    All great players & community organizers are like that !!!

     
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    All great players & community organizers are like that !!!



    Wow Bill.  You are really embracing your cultivated on-line persona as Annoying Twit #1.  More power to you.  But, can't say I don't miss the old Bill.  Alas, you are relishing in the internet squeeky wheel role.  

     
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    All great players & community organizers are like that !!!



    Wow Bill.  You are really embracing your cultivated on-line persona as Annoying Twit #1.  More power to you.  But, can't say I don't miss the old Bill.  Alas, you are relishing in the internet squeeky wheel role.  

    Space,  Im just board !!!   Glad football is over & can't wait for  S T action !!!


     
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    By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

    Motivation comes from different places for all of us. For athletes, it often comes via the media.

    Bill Belichick is famous for finding quotes in stories that are even slightly disparaging about the Patriots and making sure his players hear about them. Preseason predictions also make good fodder. The "nobody believes in us" theme works for plenty of coaches or managers regardless of whether it's actually true or not.

    So it was no great surprise that David Ortiz posted this message on Twitter yesterday:

     

    Finishing my workout to have another monster season for all those media hater that still doubting!!!

     

    The slightly misspelled tweet included a photograph of a svelte-looking Ortiz at the gym in a sweat-stained shirt.

    Ortiz is angry because a number of columnists and radio personalities took him to task after he lobbied for a contract extension in December and again during a television interview in January.

    The Globe's Dan Shaughnessy wrote that Ortiz was "tone-deaf, selfish, and offensive."

    Back in December, the Herald's Steve Buckley wrote that Ortiz was "like an old vaudeville comic who keeps using the same act in city after city, year after year."

    Surely Dan and Buck are on the "media haters" list that Ortiz has in his head. He may even take it out on them for a day or two in spring training, although that never lasts. Ortiz is too gregarious to stay in a foul mood very long.

    The funny thing about Ortiz having a Nixonian media enemies list is how well he is treated by the press in Boston. Everybody likes the guy and goodness knows he has given us plenty of exciting things to write about over the years. Ortiz is one of the few athletes you usually get a honest answer from and the "Big Papi" personality is one we cheerfully propagate for the most part.

    Can you imagine if Alex Rodriguez stood watching his home runs and jogged slowly around the bases? Or if he dropped a f-bomb on live television? Or if another 38-year-old player asked for a contract extension with $15 million left on his deal?

    The Red Sox have made it clear, on numerous occasions, they want Ortiz to retire with the team, so all of his hubbub in the Hub is probably meaningless. But Ortiz is trying to get more guaranteed money out of the team now after seeing some of the contracts doled out this winter. You can disagree with his methods, but he's got a good point given the state of baseball's economy.

    Ben Cherington and John Farrell surely loved that tweet. If being mad at Shaughnessy kept Ortiz on the treadmill another 15 minutes, that works for them.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/for_ortiz_its_motivation_via_the_media.html




    Okay..well..in fairness a few Boston media people took him to task for lobbying for a contract extension VIA the media rather than keeping the business part of the game private until the agreed upon negotiating time. I doubt anyone has an issue with Ortiz' desire for an extension...just the method he went about it.

    Ortiz cannot create these situations in the media and then turn around and cry foul when the media discusses it. NO ONE in the Boston sports media would be talking about an Ortiz contract extension but for the fact that Ortiz himself made the comments in an interview. You know..those comments about him "hoping he doesn't have to wear another uniform"...?

    I suppose different strokes for different folks..but it's kind of sad that someone with such talent feels like he can only get his motivation from negative media comments. I guess the fan love is not motivation enough.

    Ortiz talks a lot about respect but respect is a two way street.

     
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    By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

    Motivation comes from different places for all of us. For athletes, it often comes via the media.

    Bill Belichick is famous for finding quotes in stories that are even slightly disparaging about the Patriots and making sure his players hear about them. Preseason predictions also make good fodder. The "nobody believes in us" theme works for plenty of coaches or managers regardless of whether it's actually true or not.

    So it was no great surprise that David Ortiz posted this message on Twitter yesterday:

     

    Finishing my workout to have another monster season for all those media hater that still doubting!!!

     

    The slightly misspelled tweet included a photograph of a svelte-looking Ortiz at the gym in a sweat-stained shirt.

    Ortiz is angry because a number of columnists and radio personalities took him to task after he lobbied for a contract extension in December and again during a television interview in January.

    The Globe's Dan Shaughnessy wrote that Ortiz was "tone-deaf, selfish, and offensive."

    Back in December, the Herald's Steve Buckley wrote that Ortiz was "like an old vaudeville comic who keeps using the same act in city after city, year after year."

    Surely Dan and Buck are on the "media haters" list that Ortiz has in his head. He may even take it out on them for a day or two in spring training, although that never lasts. Ortiz is too gregarious to stay in a foul mood very long.

    The funny thing about Ortiz having a Nixonian media enemies list is how well he is treated by the press in Boston. Everybody likes the guy and goodness knows he has given us plenty of exciting things to write about over the years. Ortiz is one of the few athletes you usually get a honest answer from and the "Big Papi" personality is one we cheerfully propagate for the most part.

    Can you imagine if Alex Rodriguez stood watching his home runs and jogged slowly around the bases? Or if he dropped a f-bomb on live television? Or if another 38-year-old player asked for a contract extension with $15 million left on his deal?

    The Red Sox have made it clear, on numerous occasions, they want Ortiz to retire with the team, so all of his hubbub in the Hub is probably meaningless. But Ortiz is trying to get more guaranteed money out of the team now after seeing some of the contracts doled out this winter. You can disagree with his methods, but he's got a good point given the state of baseball's economy.

    Ben Cherington and John Farrell surely loved that tweet. If being mad at Shaughnessy kept Ortiz on the treadmill another 15 minutes, that works for them.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/for_ortiz_its_motivation_via_the_media.html




    Okay..well..in fairness a few Boston media people took him to task for lobbying for a contract extension VIA the media rather than keeping the business part of the game private until the agreed upon negotiating time. I doubt anyone has an issue with Ortiz' desire for an extension...just the method he went about it.

    Ortiz cannot create these situations in the media and then turn around and cry foul when the media discusses it. NO ONE in the Boston sports media would be talking about an Ortiz contract extension but for the fact that Ortiz himself made the comments in an interview. You know..those comments about him "hoping he doesn't have to wear another uniform"...?

    I suppose different strokes for different folks..but it's kind of sad that someone with such talent feels like he can only get his motivation from negative media comments. I guess the fan love is not motivation enough.

    Ortiz talks a lot about respect but respect is a two way street.



    I agree with your last point about respect.  However, it is a huge leap to say that his ONLY motivation comes from negative media comments.  That fan love or his own personal drive to achieve (first and foremost) do not far overshadow the media motivation.  We can pretty fairly assess his relationship with and performance in the media realm because he doesn't seem to have a filter.  Now, each to their own:  I find this refreshing given the standard professional athlete pat-response/non-answer/boring-drivel relationship with the media.  But, yes, his petulance re: contract talk is pretty immature and also out-of-touch.  To many, this is obviously an egregious sin.  But, lets not leap to thinking we understand what motivates him just because of his petulant response twitter post.  I think it more sound to give the benefit of the doubt to a baseball legend who has been performing at the highest levels for a decade plus.  I don't think media motivation gets you to the heights Big Papi has ascended to.

     
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    It's damned if you do, damne if you don't.


    Remember Steve Burton went to Ortiz for the interview. Ortiz didn't go to Steve Burton. Steve asked a question, Ortiz answered it honestly. I think context has a big thing to do with some of Ortiz comments. Just like how things are taken out of context here.

    Once you watch the entire interview, you can see Ortiz was smirking a bit when he stated he hopes he won't have to wear another teams jersey. One thing I've learned over the years about the media, they spin things the way they know they'll get the biggest reaction. Ortiz's comment gave a lot of chatter, and still does.

    I wonder how many have watched the entire interview, or are just going on comments made by the radio/tv jocks.

    There is a part in that interview where Ortiz talks about the Marathon bombing and his love for this city, it is clear he wants to stay in Boston.

     

     
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    By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

    Motivation comes from different places for all of us. For athletes, it often comes via the media.

    Bill Belichick is famous for finding quotes in stories that are even slightly disparaging about the Patriots and making sure his players hear about them. Preseason predictions also make good fodder. The "nobody believes in us" theme works for plenty of coaches or managers regardless of whether it's actually true or not.

    So it was no great surprise that David Ortiz posted this message on Twitter yesterday:

     

    Finishing my workout to have another monster season for all those media hater that still doubting!!!

     

    The slightly misspelled tweet included a photograph of a svelte-looking Ortiz at the gym in a sweat-stained shirt.

    Ortiz is angry because a number of columnists and radio personalities took him to task after he lobbied for a contract extension in December and again during a television interview in January.

    The Globe's Dan Shaughnessy wrote that Ortiz was "tone-deaf, selfish, and offensive."

    Back in December, the Herald's Steve Buckley wrote that Ortiz was "like an old vaudeville comic who keeps using the same act in city after city, year after year."

    Surely Dan and Buck are on the "media haters" list that Ortiz has in his head. He may even take it out on them for a day or two in spring training, although that never lasts. Ortiz is too gregarious to stay in a foul mood very long.

    The funny thing about Ortiz having a Nixonian media enemies list is how well he is treated by the press in Boston. Everybody likes the guy and goodness knows he has given us plenty of exciting things to write about over the years. Ortiz is one of the few athletes you usually get a honest answer from and the "Big Papi" personality is one we cheerfully propagate for the most part.

    Can you imagine if Alex Rodriguez stood watching his home runs and jogged slowly around the bases? Or if he dropped a f-bomb on live television? Or if another 38-year-old player asked for a contract extension with $15 million left on his deal?

    The Red Sox have made it clear, on numerous occasions, they want Ortiz to retire with the team, so all of his hubbub in the Hub is probably meaningless. But Ortiz is trying to get more guaranteed money out of the team now after seeing some of the contracts doled out this winter. You can disagree with his methods, but he's got a good point given the state of baseball's economy.

    Ben Cherington and John Farrell surely loved that tweet. If being mad at Shaughnessy kept Ortiz on the treadmill another 15 minutes, that works for them.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/for_ortiz_its_motivation_via_the_media.html




    Okay..well..in fairness a few Boston media people took him to task for lobbying for a contract extension VIA the media rather than keeping the business part of the game private until the agreed upon negotiating time. I doubt anyone has an issue with Ortiz' desire for an extension...just the method he went about it.

    Ortiz cannot create these situations in the media and then turn around and cry foul when the media discusses it. NO ONE in the Boston sports media would be talking about an Ortiz contract extension but for the fact that Ortiz himself made the comments in an interview. You know..those comments about him "hoping he doesn't have to wear another uniform"...?

    I suppose different strokes for different folks..but it's kind of sad that someone with such talent feels like he can only get his motivation from negative media comments. I guess the fan love is not motivation enough.

    Ortiz talks a lot about respect but respect is a two way street.




    O well, in a few years David will not be in the media lime light like he is now.  The remarks are focused on his contract remark and that is it.  The media stayed away from personal issues like his divorce, something they did not even do for Ted Williams.

    If someone goes into Politics or plays for the sox, they need to deal with the heat or they should get out of the kitchen. The bottom line is David should only be concerned on what John Henry thinks, the person who pays him, no matter what happens.

     
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    O well, in a few years David will not be in the media lime light like he is now.  The remarks are focused on his contract remark and that is it.  The media stayed away from personal issues like his divorce, something they did not even do for Ted Williams.

    If someone goes into Politics or plays for the sox, they need to deal with the heat or they should get out of the kitchen. The bottom line is David should only be concerned on what John Henry thinks, the person who pays him, no matter what happens.

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    Yup.  And, I think some are confusing his lack of filter for not being able to take the heat.  Obviously, David Ortiz can take the heat.

     
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    O well, in a few years David will not be in the media lime light like he is now.  The remarks are focused on his contract remark and that is it.  The media stayed away from personal issues like his divorce, something they did not even do for Ted Williams.

    If someone goes into Politics or plays for the sox, they need to deal with the heat or they should get out of the kitchen. The bottom line is David should only be concerned on what John Henry thinks, the person who pays him, no matter what happens.



    Yup.  And, I think some are confusing his lack of filter for not being able to take the heat.  Obviously, David Ortiz can take the heat.




    I don't have an issue with David's or the reporter's comments.  But when a 15 million dollar athlete jumps on twitter and calls a reporter or two haters, then obviously he is a bit emotional and someone got to him.

    Behind the plate he takes the heat just fine, well except for that phone incident. But it is all good for both sides when he takes his contract talks to the media or twitter.

 
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    O well, in a few years David will not be in the media lime light like he is now.  The remarks are focused on his contract remark and that is it.  The media stayed away from personal issues like his divorce, something they did not even do for Ted Williams.

    If someone goes into Politics or plays for the sox, they need to deal with the heat or they should get out of the kitchen. The bottom line is David should only be concerned on what John Henry thinks, the person who pays him, no matter what happens.



    Yup.  And, I think some are confusing his lack of filter for not being able to take the heat.  Obviously, David Ortiz can take the heat.




    I don't have an issue with David's or the reporter's comments.  But when a 15 million dollar athlete jumps on twitter and calls a reporter or two haters, then obviously he is a bit emotional and someone got to him.

    Behind the plate he takes the heat just fine, well except for that phone incident. But it is all good for both sides when he takes his contract talks to the media or twitter.



    I get that.  But, like I said, being petty in the media, is not the same as not being able to take the heat.  In other cases, it could be a symptom.  But after all this time, it is pretty clear to me that Papi's petty pop-offs (you are welcome for the awesoem aliteration) are precisely BECAUSE he can take the heat.  He doesn't care.  So he says it like he is thinking it, not caring about therisks of inevitable spin.  In the end, he knows these are meaningless trifles in comparison with what he does when things really matter, and what he has done to win the love of the city.  And these two aspects of his legacy dwarf his media gaffes because he has taken the heat so well for so long.

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    O well, in a few years David will not be in the media lime light like he is now.  The remarks are focused on his contract remark and that is it.  The media stayed away from personal issues like his divorce, something they did not even do for Ted Williams.

    If someone goes into Politics or plays for the sox, they need to deal with the heat or they should get out of the kitchen. The bottom line is David should only be concerned on what John Henry thinks, the person who pays him, no matter what happens.



    Yup.  And, I think some are confusing his lack of filter for not being able to take the heat.  Obviously, David Ortiz can take the heat.




    I don't have an issue with David's or the reporter's comments.  But when a 15 million dollar athlete jumps on twitter and calls a reporter or two haters, then obviously he is a bit emotional and someone got to him.

    Behind the plate he takes the heat just fine, well except for that phone incident. But it is all good for both sides when he takes his contract talks to the media or twitter.



    I get that.  But, like I said, being petty in the media, is not the same as not being able to take the heat.  In other cases, it could be a symptom.  But after all this time, it is pretty clear to me that Papi's petty pop-offs (you are welcome for the awesoem aliteration) are precisely BECAUSE he can take the heat.  He doesn't care.  So he says it like he is thinking it, not caring about therisks of inevitable spin.  In the end, he knows these are meaningless trifles in comparison with what he does when things really matter, and what he has done to win the love of the city.  And these two aspects of his legacy dwarf his media gaffes because he has taken the heat so well for so long.




    I respect that and like I said, everyone seems to benefit in the media.

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    I don't have an issue with David's or the reporter's comments.  But when a 15 million dollar athlete jumps on twitter and calls a reporter or two haters, then obviously he is a bit emotional and someone got to him.


    He had every write to do what he did, just like you have every right to jump on twitter and complain about Papi.

    Shaunessy hasn't been an Ortiz fan for quite some time, if he can write an article whining about Ortiz why shouldn't Ortiz post a quip back. Good for Papi. Nothing like a good dope slap to a lame reporter.

    Even after the comeback Ortiz had last year and his leadership that brought the team to the Series, it boggles my mind that people pick apart the fact he wants more money, or how he went about it. All this is fonder, he'll get signed and like I said in my tweet....we'll all live happily ever after.

     http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/d4/dM/d8/d7/14M87_3.MP3?authtok=5562318327704927033_1u2A06eil6fssRsmM1p8KTEzs&utm_source=CBSBoston.com&utm_medium=twitter

     
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