For History Buffs: Interesting Boxscore from 1974

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    Performance certainly has to be taken into account. If you got bad ballplayers or underperformers playing daily, they will lose their jobs at some point, or marginal players would. I think the All-Stars got free passes for having prolonged slumps--which exists today too, but if you were a Dodger in the 1970s--real hard to be an infielder in that organization when Cey, Russell, Lopes and Garvey were manning it without rest.

     
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    Trout was pinch hit for? Hamilton? Really? Wow



    As a matter of fact, Josh Hamilton was PH for in his rookie year.

     
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    Performance certainly has to be taken into account. If you got bad ballplayers or underperformers playing daily, they will lose their jobs at some point, or marginal players would. I think the All-Stars got free passes for having prolonged slumps--which exists today too, but if you were a Dodger in the 1970s--real hard to be an infielder in that organization when Cey, Russell, Lopes and Garvey were manning it without rest.



    You made my point. It depends on the team. You picked the 1974 Dodges.

    OK, how about the 1974 Expos -- three players 148 or more games. Then 131, 125, 121, 115, 113, 101, 90, 79, 77, 75. It depends on the team.

    It is fair to say that managers today will make more playing decison based on stats -- R-L splits -- but again, it has to do with the make-up of the team as to how much starters play and how much bench players play.

     
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    Agreed.

     
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    Agreed.



    The larger theme that we've been going back and forth would be in which ways the game is different now than let's say the 1970s and what is better and worse. It is an interesting discussion.

     
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    In 1974, Rice and Lynn saw limited action. Nobody knows what would have happened had the two 21 year olds played almost the whole season.

    1974 numbers:

     

    Lynn MLB  (51 PAs)   .419/.490/.698/1.188

                  AAA (478)   .282/.368/.489/.857

     

    Rice MLB  (75 PAs)   .269/.307/.373/.680

                  AAA (470)  .337/.391/.579/.971

     

    Tommy Harper had a .630 OPS in LF and Juan Beniquez a .670 in CF.

     

    23 year old Rick Burleson had 415 PAs in 1974 and a .693 OPS, but Mario Guerrero played more at SS and had a .564 OPS.

    Carlton Fisk was 26 and had a .934 OPS in just 216 PAs. Bob Montgomery had a .625 OPS in 277 PAs and Blackwell had a .579 OPS in 135 PAs. McCarver had only 34 PAs (.629 OPS).

    It's hard to not think we'd have done much better had Fisk not been hurt and Rice, Lynn, and Burleson played FT or near FT over the full season.

     

    Sox4ever

     



    Of course, it should be noted that the Sox were in 1st place by five games on Aug. 29 (17-10 in August at that point) before losing the final two games of the month to be up by three.

     

    Rice played in 24 of the final 31 and Lynn in 15 of the final 31 when the Sox went 12-19 and finiished seven back. Maybe if Lynn was brought up earlier in Sept. it might have helped. But it's unfair to say had they played the entire season.

    Going into 1974, Rice, who was 21, had just 10 games, 40 PA at Triple-A. Lynn, who was 22,  had just 53 minor league games, none in Triple-A, and 201 plate appearances. So you can't really say they should have been up that much earlier, especially at the beginning of the season.

    And you need to add more than Harper and Beniquez when talking about the LF and CF. Yaz played more games in LF than Harper. There was a lot of shuffling in the OF. In fact, neither played even 100 games total in the OF, let alone at one position. Only Miller and Evans played ast least 100 games in the OF and only Evans had at least 100 at one position.

    Games played by OF:

    Yaz 63 LF
    Harper 61 LF
    Beniquez 91 CF, 7 LF
    Miller 77 CF, 21 LF, 7 RF
    Carbo 56 RF, 33 LF
    Evans 120 RF, 3 CF, 1 LF
    Rice 3 LF
    Lynn 6 LF, 4 CF, 2 RF

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    I didn't mean to imply we would have been better off with more games by Lynn & Rice in 1974. I was trying to say there really is no way we can know... same as the arguments we will here if Boggy goes wild this fall, but we fall short of the playoffs.

     

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