Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder"

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    Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder"

    Can't argue much about the staff can we?  Not my title folks, look it up on Fox Baseball front page.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Red-Sox-Theo-Epstein-blame-GM-for-reeling-bosox-bare-staff-091911
     
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    The Boston media are puppets for Theo and anything he's putting out.
    Zone ratings, suddenly became the rage, when he wanted to justify not signing JBay, and moving Cameroid to CF and Ells to LF.
    His signings of Lackey, DiceK and Crawful, were greeted as if he were Jesus returning to earth.
    That article points out that the Sox have ONE 200 inning pitcher developed under this regime.
    The last right handed hitter who hit 30-100 was Nomar, which was under the Duquette era. This group went after unlimited lefty hitters until last draft, when they signed Brentz. No legitimate power hitters developed at all. Ells is having a career year, and may be the best player developed by Theo's team . That remains to be seen.
    Youk was also a Duquette era signee.
    Theo has taken the lion's share for the 2004 and 2007 World Series.
    It follows that he should be held accountable for the failures, also.
     
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    The Boston media are puppets for Theo and anything he's putting out. Zone ratings, suddenly became the rage, when he wanted to justify not signing JBay, and moving Cameroid to CF and Ells to LF. His signings of Lackey, DiceK and Crawful, were greeted as if he were Jesus returning to earth. That article points out that the Sox have ONE 200 inning pitcher developed under this regime. The last right handed hitter who hit 30-100 was Nomar, which was under the Duquette era. This group went after unlimited lefty hitters until last draft, when they signed Brentz. No legitimate power hitters developed at all. Ells is having a career year, and may be the best player developed by Theo's team . That remains to be seen. Youk was also a Duquette era signee. Theo has taken the lion's share for the 2004 and 2007 World Series. It follows that he should be held accountable for the failures, also.
    Posted by tbrod


    Yup!
     
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    The Boston media are puppets for Theo and anything he's putting out. Zone ratings, suddenly became the rage, when he wanted to justify not signing JBay, and moving Cameroid to CF and Ells to LF. His signings of Lackey, DiceK and Crawful, were greeted as if he were Jesus returning to earth. That article points out that the Sox have ONE 200 inning pitcher developed under this regime. The last right handed hitter who hit 30-100 was Nomar, which was under the Duquette era. This group went after unlimited lefty hitters until last draft, when they signed Brentz. No legitimate power hitters developed at all. Ells is having a career year, and may be the best player developed by Theo's team . That remains to be seen. Youk was also a Duquette era signee. Theo has taken the lion's share for the 2004 and 2007 World Series. It follows that he should be held accountable for the failures, also.
    Posted by tbrod
    You are so right! The announcers on NESN the same...including Orsillo, Remy, T Caron, Peter Gammons. I have always liked Eck and Jim Rice because they tell it like it is. Gammons is one of the worst sugar coating announcers there is for the Sox. Peter Abrahams and Nick Cafardo tell it like it is too. The Sox players are babied and pampered including all kinds of things in their Club House, food, fun, and games, you name it. Treated like Rock Stars but cannot perform because of the pampering.

     
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    Yeah, it's Theo's fault that Dice-K needed Tommy John surgery, Buch has a hair line fracture in his back, and Lackey is being terrible.

    It's all Theo's fault.
     
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    Yeah, it's Theo's fault that Dice-K needed Tommy John surgery, Buch has a hair line fracture in his back, and Lackey is being terrible. It's all Theo's fault.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    DirtWater, I think the bottom line is who Theo has developed or signed and how they have performed which leaves his judgement for pitching in doubt.  Clay I agree, the fact Theo never traded him is definitely one in his favor.
     
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    I hate it when writers compare the Rays development to any other team. Just remember for 10 years the Rays had the top picks in MLB. Just having that alone will give you better results most of the time. Whereas the RS and NYY have always had the last picks in the drafts because of them having the best records in MLB.
     
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    I hate it when writers compare the Rays development to any other team. Just remember for 10 years the Rays had the top picks in MLB. Just having that alone will give you better results most of the time. Whereas the RS and NYY have always had the last picks in the drafts because of them having the best records in MLB.
    Posted by JimfromFlorida


    I forgot to add we have traded quite a few guys who are on other teams. A Sanchez, Masterson, Casey, not to mention other every day players Murphy, and many others.
     
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  10. Red Sox GM Theo Epstein failed to accumulate the necessary pitching depth, writes Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Epstein has become a popular target this month, but the criticism holds more water for me if the author was pointing out the team's depth issues before the season or in July.
  11. On a similar note, the John Lackey contract looks ugly right now. But it wasn't regarded that way when Lackey signed in December of 2009. In fact, ESPN's Jayson Stark did a poll of "20 wise baseball men" prior to the 2010 season, and Lackey's contract was voted the best signing of the offseason (right before Chone Figgins). MLBRumors
 
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    In Response to Re: Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder" : Yup!
    Posted by craze4sox


    well said!


    please fire theo!
     
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    Red Sox GM Theo Epstein failed to accumulate the necessary pitching depth, writes Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports . Epstein has become a popular target this month, but the criticism holds more water for me if the author was pointing out the team's depth issues before the season or in July. On a similar note, the John Lackey contract looks ugly right now. But it wasn't regarded that way when Lackey signed in December of 2009. In fact, ESPN's Jayson Stark did a poll of "20 wise baseball men" prior to the 2010 season, and Lackey's contract was voted the best signing of the offseason (right before Chone Figgins ). MLBRumors
    Posted by tom-uk


    Theo believed Lackey could handle a steady diet of AL East batters and the added pressure to perform well in Boston.  He misjudged Lackey any way you look at it so he should be accountable.
     
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    In Response to Re: Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder" : Theo believed Lackey could handle a steady diet of AL East batters and the added pressure to perform well in Boston.  He misjudged Lackey any way you look at it so he should be accountable.
    Posted by craze4sox



    good post; sounds like one could substitute CRAWFUL for SLACKEY and end up with the same good post.
    i think it's time for theodore to misjudge players for some other organization.
     
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    Theo believed Lackey could handle a steady diet of AL East batters

    Common misconception on Lackey's opponent quality.  The batters Lackey faced in 2008 and 2009 had a higher OPS than what he faced in 2010.
     
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    Yeah, it's Theo's fault that Dice-K needed Tommy John surgery, Buch has a hair line fracture in his back, and Lackey is being terrible. It's all Theo's fault.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover



    sounds like 'THEO-BOOTLICKER'S feelings are hurt.
     
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    20 wise baseball men" prior to the 2010 season, and Lackey's contract was voted the best signing of the offseason

    My maximum offer to Lackey was 30M, which turned out to be too much. I warned not to sign this AL West prima donna, but since Theo was hell bent on signing one of the big 3 FA of 2010, Lackey made more sense than Bay or Holliday. Litte did we know that Theo would skip Holliday and sign the biggest contract bust in Red Sox history, even if he returns to near career averages.
     
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    In Response to Re: Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder" : good post; sounds like one could substitute CRAWFUL for SLACKEY and end up with the same good post. i think it's time for theodore to misjudge players for some other organization.
    Posted by firetheo


    Crawford knows he is having an off year and at least apologized to our fans in the below article.  That alone shows he has more class than Lackey.  I think CC deserves one more year before passing judgement like some did with Jacoby.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/carl_crawford_apologizes_to_red_sox_fans_for_poor_season/6871399
     
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    If people want to bag on the RS and Epstein for not developing more home grown talent I think they should at least consider how that is done.

    It is done by not signing FA and surrendering draft picks, trading your talent before it gets to FA for top prospects in other people's systems and getting bad for awhile to enhance your draft position.

    Nobody in this market is prepared to sign up for that tact and most of the serial critics here heads would have exploded if when the RS team was aging out after 2004, they had traded Schilling, Ortiz, Millar, Mueller and Nixon while Pedro, Lowe and OCab walked.
     
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    If people want to bag on the RS and Epstein for not developing more home grown talent I think they should at least consider how that is done. It is done by not signing FA and surrendering draft picks, trading your talent before it gets to FA for top prospects in other people's systems and getting bad for awhile to enhance your draft position. Nobody in this market is prepared to sign up for that tact and most of the serial critics here heads would have exploded if when the RS team was aging out after 2004, they had traded Schilling, Ortiz, Millar, Mueller and Nixon while Pedro, Lowe and OCab walked.
    Posted by fivekatz


    I agree to some extent fivkatz, It would be interesting to see a breakdown of all GM'S in the past nine years and Tampa certainly isn't the team to compare us to.  I still believe Theo concentration hasn't been as focused on pitching since arriving in Boston.  I spend a lot of time in CT. these days and do feel he made a great choice with Barnes.  The kid has good pitches and poise
     
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    In Response to Re: Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder" : Show us where you got these stats and how often he faced the more productive bats.
    Posted by craze4sox


    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1045906

               OPS of opponents
    2008         .766
    09             .755
    10             .737  
    11             .753

    how often he faced the more productive bats

    The OPS figure is a total.
     
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    Wakefield being better than all farm hands for the last half a decade is comical.
     
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    In Response to Re: Fox article labeling Theo "Boy Blunder":
    The Boston media are puppets for Theo and anything he's putting out. Zone ratings, suddenly became the rage, when he wanted to justify not signing JBay, and moving Cameroid to CF and Ells to LF. His signings of Lackey, DiceK and Crawful, were greeted as if he were Jesus returning to earth. That article points out that the Sox have ONE 200 inning pitcher developed under this regime. The last right handed hitter who hit 30-100 was Nomar, which was under the Duquette era. This group went after unlimited lefty hitters until last draft, when they signed Brentz. No legitimate power hitters developed at all. Ells is having a career year, and may be the best player developed by Theo's team . That remains to be seen. Youk was also a Duquette era signee. Theo has taken the lion's share for the 2004 and 2007 World Series. It follows that he should be held accountable for the failures, also.
    Posted by tbrod

    You sure pick your words carefully.  There were 7 30-100 guys in the AL last year, and one was Papi.  Don't give Theo credit for Papi though - he didn't draft him, only picked him off waivers for nothing.

    Youk was never a 30-100 guy - he was  29-115 guy, but that makes him a failure.

    Ellsbury has a shot, but he's left-handed so he doesn't count.

    Lavarnway hit 32 HRs in the minors, but he's not a legitimate power hitter.

    Buchholz has been hurt in each of his first two full years in mlb, so he is not a 200-inning guy.

    Masterson is a 200 inning guy, but he was traded for V-Mart in a year when everybody was crying that we didn't have enough offense, so that doesn't count.

    By the way, player development doesn't end the day a guy is drafted - it starts there.

     
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