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    what were/was the drug(s) they supposedly tested positive for?

     



    Just like everyone else on the list, the exact drugs were not named, they were just classified as PED's.

     

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    prove they were on the list.  MLB has never released the list (this would be a violation of the union agreement).  any name that has been released from that list is a leak.  so again, prove it.  there are some players that were supposedly on that list that have admitted to using steroids.  there are others on that list that have not.  the only "proof" is what the player has said that they have done.  giambi admitted.  simple as that.

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    I don't have to prove anything, just google Ortiz and failed drug test.

    Papi and Manny failed the same and only test Arod has failed.

    Bonds never failed a test nor did Lance Armstrong.

    Both like ortiz denied using.

    You people like to play the holier than thou bs and point fingers when you have a history of the same problem with your own team.

     

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    google it?  oh it's on the internet!  thanks!

    ftr - i never railed on bonds nor armstrong so not sure what your point is.  ftr2 - armstrong admitted steroid use and blood doping on oprah.  bonds admitted he "didn't know what he was taking" when doing the cream and the clear.  it was proven that the cream and clear were steroids.  so it is safe to come to the conclusion that bonds took steroids. (albeit unknowingly).

     

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    My point is, and first of all you really can't be this dumb that you ignore quite conveniently the same problems that the Yankees and other teams have with peds that exists in your own club house.

    It is a problem in all of baseball not just with one team.

    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

     
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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

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    i believe it was delivered by Munson Airlines.

     
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    what were/was the drug(s) they supposedly tested positive for?

     

     



    Just like everyone else on the list, the exact drugs were not named, they were just classified as PED's.

     

     

     




    prove they were on the list.  MLB has never released the list (this would be a violation of the union agreement).  any name that has been released from that list is a leak.  so again, prove it.  there are some players that were supposedly on that list that have admitted to using steroids.  there are others on that list that have not.  the only "proof" is what the player has said that they have done.  giambi admitted.  simple as that.

     



    I don't have to prove anything, just google Ortiz and failed drug test.

    Papi and Manny failed the same and only test Arod has failed.

    Bonds never failed a test nor did Lance Armstrong.

    Both like ortiz denied using.

    You people like to play the holier than thou bs and point fingers when you have a history of the same problem with your own team.

     

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    google it?  oh it's on the internet!  thanks!

    ftr - i never railed on bonds nor armstrong so not sure what your point is.  ftr2 - armstrong admitted steroid use and blood doping on oprah.  bonds admitted he "didn't know what he was taking" when doing the cream and the clear.  it was proven that the cream and clear were steroids.  so it is safe to come to the conclusion that bonds took steroids. (albeit unknowingly).

     

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    Yes Armstrong admitted AFTER he was outed by Floyd Landis and his other team mates on the US Postal team.

    AFTER he was caught. AFTER his titles were taken away.

    He denied for years while winning the Tour annually.

    Papi admitted taking shakes but he didn't know the contents.

     
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    Why many Yanks fans think our players do PEDs because theirs do.  




    that's part of it

    but this thread shows other reasons 2

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?



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    Really slash

    that's pretty low rent

    even 4 U

     

     
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    fwiw....the jack he hit off of CBuch was down Broadway...Girardi and Farrell would have hit that one out :-)

     
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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

     

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    Really slash

    that's pretty low rent

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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

     
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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

     

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    Really slash

    that's pretty low rent

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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

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    Keeping it real unless it relates to your own team.

     
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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

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    no idea how's that is '' just keeping it real''

    did someone doubt that U could go low

     

     
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    Cervelli, who has been caught doing steroids along with ARod (who seems to get all the attention) hit his fourth HR of the spring season.

    The Yankees may be shopping Cervelli (don't know if that's true). My question is do they test for steroids in spring training? Or, can you get a contract out of it based on your performance?

    I don't understand why people can talk about how great he's been doing without mentioning that he's been on steroids. Why is everyone so serious about ARod and his steroid us, while we have players like Cervelli and others who just get a good contract out of it?

    Who decides who's going to be shamed by steroids and who's going to be rewarded with a huge contract -- since that has happened?

     

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    Too funny. milk shake Papi failed the MLB 2003 test with Arod but he gets a pass.

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    Im sorry, what was it that Papi was taking again? And when you can tell me that, tell me if it was allowed in 2003...Oh, And I think ARod got caught 2 more times after that...

    Im not saying papi is innocent, but there are still some questions to be answered (like the ones I asked) before I condem anyone. I am unbias about this. Doesnt matter what team or player. If my questions can be answered, then I put Papi in the same class as all the other cheaters if he deserves it.

    Yours and all fans arguement against Papi doesnt hold water until we know what was allowed at the time and what he was taking. You can assume anything you with until then if it helps you sleep at night.

     
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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

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    no idea how's that is '' just keeping it real''

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    keeping it as real as saying papi has ever done steroids.

    yes, you did.  maybe with all the policing you are doing over sox fans to "keep it real" it is it hard to keep up with you actually say?

    "that's pretty low rent

    even 4 U"

    Jimmy dug his grave when he lied continuously saying that he isn't Babe.  you can hook your wagon to that all you'd like.  it is fitting.

     
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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

     

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    Really slash

    that's pretty low rent

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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

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    Keeping it real unless it relates to your own team.

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    really twm?  since you like the interweb so much and wikipedia.

    here is the link to the list of every single MLB player that has been suspended for PED use.  please find the red sox player on that list for me.  thank you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_performance-enhancing_drugs

     

    i will be waiting a long time.........

     
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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?



    no idea how's that is '' just keeping it real''

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    keeping it as real as saying papi has ever done steroids.

    yes, you did.  maybe with all the policing you are doing over sox fans to "keep it real" it is it hard to keep up with you actually say?

    "that's pretty low rent

    even 4 U"

    Jimmy dug his grave when he lied continuously saying that he isn't Babe.  you can hook your wagon to that all you'd like.  it is fitting.

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    slash get a grip U R starting to sound like pike

    none of that has anything to do with bringing up munson that way

     

    while U can deny ortiz used

    U can't deny there's enough out there 2 give others the right to accuse him

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    my bad  it's U

     
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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

     

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    no idea how's that is '' just keeping it real''

     

    did someone doubt that U could go low

     

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    keeping it as real as saying papi has ever done steroids.

    yes, you did.  maybe with all the policing you are doing over sox fans to "keep it real" it is it hard to keep up with you actually say?

    "that's pretty low rent

    even 4 U"

    Jimmy dug his grave when he lied continuously saying that he isn't Babe.  you can hook your wagon to that all you'd like.  it is fitting.

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    slash get a grip U R starting to sound like pike

    none of that has anything to do with bringing up munson that way

     

    while U can deny ortiz used

    U can't deny there's enough out there 2 give others the right to accuse him

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    my bad  it's U

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    in a thread about Cervelli on a Red Sox forum?

    that's my point zac. 

     
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    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

     

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    Really slash

    that's pretty low rent

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    just keeping it real zac.  i can go low without pretending that i dont or that i am better than anyone else like some people on here.  right zac?

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    Keeping it real unless it relates to your own team.

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    really twm?  since you like the interweb so much and wikipedia.

    here is the link to the list of every single MLB player that has been suspended for PED use.  please find the red sox player on that list for me.  thank you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_performance-enhancing_drugs

     

    i will be waiting a long time.........

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    They got Capone on income tax evasion.

     
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    what were/was the drug(s) they supposedly tested positive for?

     

     

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    Just like everyone else on the list, the exact drugs were not named, they were just classified as PED's.

     

     

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    prove they were on the list.  MLB has never released the list (this would be a violation of the union agreement).  any name that has been released from that list is a leak.  so again, prove it.  there are some players that were supposedly on that list that have admitted to using steroids.  there are others on that list that have not.  the only "proof" is what the player has said that they have done.  giambi admitted.  simple as that.

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    I don't have to prove anything, just google Ortiz and failed drug test.

    Papi and Manny failed the same and only test Arod has failed.

    Bonds never failed a test nor did Lance Armstrong.

    Both like ortiz denied using.

    You people like to play the holier than thou bs and point fingers when you have a history of the same problem with your own team.

     

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    google it?  oh it's on the internet!  thanks!

    ftr - i never railed on bonds nor armstrong so not sure what your point is.  ftr2 - armstrong admitted steroid use and blood doping on oprah.  bonds admitted he "didn't know what he was taking" when doing the cream and the clear.  it was proven that the cream and clear were steroids.  so it is safe to come to the conclusion that bonds took steroids. (albeit unknowingly).

     

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    My point is, and first of all you really can't be this dumb that you ignore quite conveniently the same problems that the Yankees and other teams have with peds that exists in your own club house.

    It is a problem in all of baseball not just with one team.

    Btw where did Jerry Remy's son get his juice? Wasn't he a Red Sox employee?

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    Btw, does everyone who's had the pleasure of meeting you give you the finger behind your back?

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    Not many to my face.

     
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    Cervelli, who has been caught doing steroids along with ARod (who seems to get all the attention) hit his fourth HR of the spring season.

    The Yankees may be shopping Cervelli (don't know if that's true). My question is do they test for steroids in spring training? Or, can you get a contract out of it based on your performance?

    I don't understand why people can talk about how great he's been doing without mentioning that he's been on steroids. Why is everyone so serious about ARod and his steroid us, while we have players like Cervelli and others who just get a good contract out of it?

    Who decides who's going to be shamed by steroids and who's going to be rewarded with a huge contract -- since that has happened?

     

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    Too funny. milk shake Papi failed the MLB 2003 test with Arod but he gets a pass.

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    Actually, if you were able to read and get beyond your “Oh My Gawd! Someone said something possibly negative about the Yankees” phase, you might have noticed it was not an anti-Yankee post.   It’s a legitimate question, and one that, rather than you address, you decide to hide behind the paranoia and resort to further accusations.

     

    Her post boils down to “Why do some players like Cervelli get a free pass while others like A-Rod are intensely persecuted by fans and MLB?”  That’s a legitimate concern, regardless of the players and teams involved.  Why was Jhonny Peralta rewarded with a huge contract, while Nelson Cruz struggled to make just over half his QO?   And while you can cite the draft pick as a reason, was it honestly a sensible move by the Cardinals – a brilliantly run organization most of the time – to commit over $50mill to a player already suspended once for breaking the rules?  All so they can hold on to the next-to-last pick in the first round of the draft this year?  The slot value of that pick alone makes the excessive commitment to Peralta all the more questionable.

     

    Fans and MLB are quick to attack A-Rod and Braun and even players with no actual MLB punishment history, yet the Peralta’s and Cervelli’s and Melky Cabrera’s of the world are just ignored like they never did anything wrong despite commiting they exact same infraction.

     

    And this is the problem, and the main reason fans like you will always propagate the steroid usage.   Attacking the stars and petitioning for the records to be removed or “asterisked” or and that they never be admitted to the Hall of Fame means nothing to the big picture and detracts from the whole reason behind PED testing.  Wasn’t the goal to prevent younger kinds from feeling they needed steroids to have a chance?  And aren’t you just propagating that myth by attacking only the stars yet allowing the Cervelli’s of the world to get another free pass?  After all, if Cervelli gets one, whose kid will get one next?

     

    But, hey, keep up the good work.  Somewhere on another message board out there in deepest cyberspace, someone is probably making a post about a Yankee player who took steroids.  You need to get there right away and make sure you can drop more random accusations about other players as part of your quest to make sure all posted material about all things pinstripes remains nothing but positive, or at least less negative than posts about other players…

     
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    Too funny. milk shake Papi failed the MLB 2003 test

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    prove it.

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    Papi the sacred cow. Common knowledge.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ortiz

     

     

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    The facts behind the leaked lists from the 2003 test will always be unknown, save for the occasional trash-talking internet poster who claims to have all the facts.

    The real problem with citing these as proof of anything is really that the accusers don’t even know what they do prove.  Essentially, of course, the goal is to say “Your team only won because they cheat, not like my nice clean Yankees.”   But prior to 2003, what rules were being broken?

    MLB’s initial drug policy was put in place in the early 1990’s, but the original goal was to end baseball’s rampant cocaine problem.  Their concerns became highlighted in 1983, when four members of the Kansas City Royals (Willie Wilson, Willie Aikens, Vida Blue and Jerry Martin) were sentenced to 3 months in prison during the offseason as part of a cocaine probe from the federal government.   This incident, coupled with other notable transgressors including the oft-suspended Steve Howe, lead to the an MLB investigation to probe MLB drug usage.  This investigation concluded in 1985 with the infamous Pittsburgh Drug Trials.  Many players testified as to their own usage, highlights including members of the Pirates bullpen, notably Rod Scurry, citing they would go to the clubhouse during games to buy cocaine, and Tim Raines testimony that he kept glass vials of cocaine in his back pocket during games for use on the field, and as a result, would only slide head first so as not to break them.

    So when MLB did come out with a drug policy, it essentially laid down their punishments for players caught with substances in violation of the Controlled Substance Act.   They did specifically include the use of anabolic steroids, but more so because they were illegal and not so much because they were trying to rid the game of PEDs.

    The 2003 testing was a survey to see if PEDs that were not part of the Controlled Substance Act were also an issue in MLB.  Even at this time, many supplements were perfectly legal and allowed by MLB.  In 1998, a story broke about Mark McGwire having possession of androstenodione in his locker.  In 1998, not only was this not a violation of league policy, but andro was actually specifically named as an allowed substance in MLB (and was available over the counter in many stores, including GNC).  Since then, andro has been re-classified as an anabolic steroid, and was added to the Controlled Substance act, making it banned from MLB as well. (And GNC.)

    But where this leads is, prior to 2003, a lot more substances were allowed by MLB for their players,  Singling out Papi as a user is not only a wild understatement, it ignores that he may not even have been breaking any rules.  A lot of players used then, because they were allowed to.  (And not using, or “playing naked” as it was referred to in MLB clubhouses, was frowned upon by some teammates.)   Once the policy changed post-2003, many players had to change their habits.  Some obviously did not, but that obviously accurate generalization offers nothing in the way of proof for any individual.  

    So citing Papi’s leaked test results from 2003 offers absolutely nothing regarding his use from that point onward.  Even if it does someday prove accurate, it doesn’t mean he was breaking rules then (after all, what drug was it?), and does nothing to prove he or a lot of other players have broken any rules since…

     
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    what were/was the drug(s) they supposedly tested positive for?

     

     



    Just like everyone else on the list, the exact drugs were not named, they were just classified as PED's.

     

     

     




    prove they were on the list.  MLB has never released the list (this would be a violation of the union agreement).  any name that has been released from that list is a leak.  so again, prove it.  there are some players that were supposedly on that list that have admitted to using steroids.  there are others on that list that have not.  the only "proof" is what the player has said that they have done.  giambi admitted.  simple as that.

     



    I don't have to prove anything, just google Ortiz and failed drug test.

    Papi and Manny failed the same and only test Arod has failed.

    Bonds never failed a test nor did Lance Armstrong.

    Both like ortiz denied using.

    You people like to play the holier than thou bs and point fingers when you have a history of the same problem with your own team.

     

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    Whats the history, TWM?

     To answer your question about Remy's son, which under the circumstances, steroid use likely played a part, would have been better left unasked,  he was a security guard, outside the park, checking bags. $10.00 per hour, his Father got him the job.  When the Red Sox organizations found out, he was associated with steroids at Golds gym, he was fired. Any other questions, feel free to ask 

     
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