Francona's Indians - last place and nowhere to hide...

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    I disagree.

    Personallly, I would have thought it was stupid move, even if Perdo had managed to get out of that jam.

    The bullpen was doing a tremendous job, in the '03 playoffs.

    Embree and Timlin were flat-out shutting teams down.

    They should've been used again, in that situation, no questions asked.

     


    Oh, no, I wasn't  saying he should have left Pedro in. Obviously Grady should have gone to  the pen. Just musing what might have happened if Pedro had gotten out  of the jam.

     

     

     
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    Scott Williamson would have been the pitcher called in... he was excellent




    To start the 8th inning, probably Timlin.

    To face Matsui, after the hits by Jeter and Williams, Embree.

     
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    Scott Williamson would have been the pitcher called in... he was excellent

     




    To start the 8th inning, probably Timlin.

     

    To face Matsui, after the hits by Jeter and Williams, Embree.



    One time at Yankee stadium, I saw Timlin walking towards the bullpen,

    Me: "Mr Timlin, can I have your autograph?"  Laughing

    Timlin: "NO!"  

    Me: Embarassed

    Theo Epstein of all people, signed my Red Sox jersey (while he was on the phone).    LOL

     
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    had to laugh at his statement about Jimenez and sticking with him despite him once again on his way to losing 20....playing .375 ball or so and back to his Philly ways...no stars to bail him out there...

    man i miss that guy's managerial wizardry...NOT




    Have you checked the standings lately? He's doing a heck of a job.

     
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    Scott Williamson would have been the pitcher called in... he was excellent

     




    To start the 8th inning, probably Timlin.

     

    To face Matsui, after the hits by Jeter and Williams, Embree.

     



    Just for fun, not trying to hash it out with you over 2003, but Williamson was strike out machine. He would have been the one to come in and put out the fire.... I loved that man, I really did. Loved him I say!  Kiss

     




    That's true!

    But, was he doing most of the closing, with Timlin as set up?

    I'd have gone with Timlin, because it was the 8th inning.

     
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    Tribe is on fire.  They have won 10 out of 11 'in spite of Tito'. Laughing

     
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    The Indians are already out of last place. Laughing

     




    Francona, who oversaw the decline in our pitching, now has an Indians staff with an ERA ranked 13th of the now 15 AL teams. While he is certainly not responsible for all of that problem, I do see a pattern here. I think he has  real problem managing pitchers.

     



    Cleveland ERA 2012 = 4.78

    Cleveland ERA 2013 = 3.89

    Now explain the pattern you are seeing.

     
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    had to laugh at his statement about Jimenez and sticking with him despite him once again on his way to losing 20....playing .375 ball or so and back to his Philly ways...no stars to bail him out there...

    man i miss that guy's managerial wizardry...NOT



    And since you posted that, Jiminez is 2-0 with a 1.42.  Seriously, and don't take this personally, but are you ever right?  I only ask because you might be able to sell your services to Las Vegas or something.  Have you ever seen the movie 'The Cooler'?  That could be you.

     
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    Francona doing a heck of a job.

     
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    As I write, the Indians have a better run differential than the Red Sox.

     
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    Tribe is on fire.  They have won 10 out of 11 'in spite of Tito'. Laughing



    They have a little bit of talent, but it is razor-thin.  This is where Tito is at his best, mixing and matching disparate talents that, while not great, are bigger than the whole.  And, even if they don't win anything this year, it would be nice to see Cleveland get a little action.

     
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    Hey georom4 - How is this thread working out for you?

     
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    yea, i am really worried about Cleveland having an awesome year....lol...come see me in a month....just like the sox playing .700 ball and being in first place, right?

     

    btw fwiw Francona has leqrned something as manager - not to make any pitching changes,,,he leads the league in starting pitching innings pitched...he's good as long as he doesnt manage

     
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    Hey georom4 - How is this thread working out for you?

     



    yea, i am really worried about Cleveland having an awesome year....lol...come see me in a month....just like the sox playing .700 ball and being in first place, right?

     

     

    btw fwiw Francona has leqrned something as manager - not to make any pitching changes,,,he leads the league in starting pitching innings pitched...he's good as long as he doesnt manage




    Try not to trip, as you backpedal...

     
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    Duquette's teams didn't win anything.  The team Theo inherited from Duquette had plenty of talent.  It had also missed the playoffs three straight years. 

    Revisionism is always fun though.



    I saw the same posters who said the Sox WSC were because of the talent Duquette had assembled giving him all the credit for the Orioles last season.

     
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    yea, i am really worried about Cleveland having an awesome year....lol...come see me in a month...

    You had no problem bashing him a month ago.  Now you're saying we should wait?  Seriously?  So 16 ganes was enough but 32 games not enough?

     
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    btw fwiw Francona has leqrned something as manager - not to make any pitching changes,,,he leads the league in starting pitching innings pitched...he's good as long as he doesnt manage



    Your boy Bobby Valentine isn't managing at all.

     

     
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    btw fwiw Francona has leqrned something as manager - not to make any pitching changes,,,he leads the league in starting pitching innings pitched...he's good as long as he doesnt manage

     



    Your boy Bobby Valentine isn't managing at all.

     

     



    i didnt hire Valentine from retirement in east asia - ben did...and then he undermined his own hiring by not supporting his authority and giving him garbage players....but as long as Francona's team leads the league in homers and innings pitched by starters, he will be a fine manager.

     

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