Game Thread 77: Red Sox at Tigers

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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  



    Looks like he's settled in. Nerves may have played into it. Still only a 2 run game. 

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     

     

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     



    exactly...you throw fastballs to this tiger lineup you might as well not play the game....they will eat you alive....

     
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     I think you are upset that Webster has disappointed. You are searching for excuses for him.  You ask if I am serious ?  Of course I am. It is very common to establish the fastball early in the game.  Problem is , he has no movement on it.  Now you are looking for isolated examples to prove your point.  Webster has not been good. Don't blame the catcher or game plan.  I want to see Webster succeed as much as you do.  He is supposed to have a live fastball. Not seeing it.  

    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     

     

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     




     
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    just not a good day...bring in a lefty to face a lefty..and you walk him...well he's a longman in...don't be wild today.

     
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    morales is not that good...i'm mad that we are losing...but this is not mad talking...he's just not that good...

     
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    The rout is on now.  

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     

     

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     



    I could live with them losing tonight if Andrew "Full Pack" Bailey had been able to save the game Thursday night.

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     

     

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     

     

     

     

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     

     

     



    I could live with them losing tonight if Andrew "Full Pack" Bailey had been able to save the game Thursday night.

     



    Exactly! Had the sox one that first game they are guaranteed a split at the very least but Farrell had to prove something? 

     
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    A reminder about Bailey.  Through Apr, May, and June thru June 9, he had 6 of 7 saves and an ERA of like 1.47.  After that, the wheels came off in five straight games:  June 10, 12, 15, 18, and 20.  Actually, he was OK on June 12 with a clean 9th inning and a save in a 2-1 win.  He was bad on June 10, giving up 2 runs in the 10th, but the Sox won in the 14th, so no damage.  And, really, through the June 12 game he was still a good closer, with an ERA under 3 and 7 of 9 saves.  He then gave up 2 runs but still got a save on June 15, then blew a save with 1 run, but the Sox still won 3-1 on June 18.  Finally, on June 20 he blew another save and lost the game and was demoted.  So bad as he was, bad enough to be removed as the closer, he didn't do a lot of damage to the W-L record--basically, one game. 

     
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    Pedroia is going into one of those nosedives... he is hitting .182 his last 7 games.

     
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    This team could still  finish 81-81

     
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    Some pretty ignorant posts.  Websters big problem was Salty and NieveS wanted him to establish his authority with nothing but heat.  Since the dinger, he's thrown sliders and changeups and fastballs and gotten 7 outs with no runs.

    Lousy game plan.  

     

     

     




    Well , he is supposed to have a great fastball. It is not at all unusual to establish your fastball early in the game. The problem is that his fastball is not what it was built up to be. 

     

     

     

     

     



    You can't be serious.  Nobody's fastball is good enough to put away this Tigers lineup without mixing in other pitches.  Don't you remember that 100 mph fast ball Verlander threw to Nava a couple or so years ago and he hit it hard for a double or single to the opposite field?  He hit it because he knew beyond a doubt Verlander was going to throw a fastball.  When Beckett came to the Sox in 2006 he had a 97 mpg fastball which he loved.  Problem was, the hitters loved it almost as much, and his ERA for 2006 was 5.01.  When opposing hitters know you are only going to throw fastballs for strikes, they have an advantage.  And that's exactly what happened to Webster in the first inning through Martinez.  In fact the fastball he hit was at the bottom of the strike zone, close to where it was the pitch before was. 

     

     

     

     



    I could live with them losing tonight if Andrew "Full Pack" Bailey had been able to save the game Thursday night.

     

    Yeah. It was important to win that first game.  Our chances tonight and tomorrow were not good. The pitching matchups heavily favored Detroit.


     
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    Dont worry, they're only throwing that Verlander kid tommorow. This is why I was so ticked at Bailey. I figured we'd lose the last two, winning the first two would have made it tolerable. Not now.

     
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    At least the O's lost too.  The AL East is getting tight.  The Blue Jays just overtook the Rays in the standings. 

     
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    Nice pitching team! The FO simply did not do enough to account for the fragility of Clay Breakholtz and the stench of Jon Lester. We will soon be battling to stay out of the cellar. Its a rebuilding year; always has been.

    WE ARE ALL JUST POPPYSEEDS IN THE BAKERY OF LIFE

     
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    This team could still  finish 81-81




    They will finish very close to that. Good observation!

     
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