Gammons think Sox will "try" to get Jimenez

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    Many of the other teams with a lot of prospects also have a lot more holes to fill. 
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh


    So true, and so many teams are still in the hunt, esp in the NL. Will they all be buyers and drive up the cost?

    Remember, we can't trade the recent draftees, but perhaps Theo will loosen up with some other prospects knowing he has some young blood to take their places soon.

     
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    uhhh but heres the thing tomnev, ubaldo jimenez is sign for dirt cheap for the next 3 years. He will make a total of 18 million over the next 3 years. Thats why he is a great fit for the sox. Most pitchers of ubaldos caliber make a heck of a lot more than that and the sox realize they can get a top of the rotation starter with a cheap contract in ubaldo. And guess who becomes a free agent by the time ubaldos contract is up? John lackey. Works out quite nicely dont ya think?
     
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    Here is a list of pitchers that may be available (most as salary dumps) this deadline:

    Houston (-25)
    LHP W. Rodriguez: 11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    RHP B. Myers: 11:$7M, 12:$11M, 13:$10M club option ($3M buyout)

    Chicago Cubs (-18)
    RHP C. Zambrano: 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option
    RHP R. Dempster: 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option
    RHP M. Garza: 11: $5.95M plus 2 more arb years
    LHP J. Grabow: 11:$4.8M
    RHP C. Marmol:
    11:$3.2M, 12:$7M, 13:$9.8M
    LHP S. Marshall:
    11:$1.6M, 12:$3.1M

    Baltimore (-17.5)
    LHP M. Gonzalez: 11: $6M
    RHP K. Uehara: 11: $3M plus '12 option.

    Kansas City (-17)
    RHP J. Soria:  11
    :$4M, 12:$6M club option, 13:$8M club option, 14:$8.75M club option ($0.75M

    San Diego (-15.5)
    RHP Heath Bell: 11:
    $7.5M
    RHP A. Harang: 11:$3.5M, 12:$5M mutual option ($0.5M buyout)
    RHP Tim Stauffer: 11: $1.075M plus 2 years of arb.
    RHP D. Moseley: 11: $0.9M plus 2 years of arb.
    RHP Chad Qualls: 11:$1.5M, 12:$6M club option ($1.05M buyout)
    RHP Mik Adams: 11: $2.535M plus 1 year of arb.
     
    Oakland (-15.5)
    LHP B. Fuentes:
    11:$5M, 12:$5M, 13:$6.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
    RHP Balfour: 11:$3.75M, 12:$4M, 13:$4.5M club option ($0.35M buyout)
    LHP Gio Gonzalez: 11: $.42M plus 4 yearts of arb.
    RHP T. Cahill: 11:$0.5M, 12:$3.5M, 13:$5.5M, 14:$7.7M, 15:$12M, 16:$13M club option ($0.3M buyout), 17:$13.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
    LHP C. Breslow: 11: $1.4M plus 2 years of arb.

    Los Angeles Dodgers (-13)
    RHP H. Kuroda: 11: $12M
    LHP T. Lilly: 11:$7M, 12:$10.5M, 13:$12M
    RHP J. Broxton: 11:$7M
    RHP Billingsley: 11: $6.275, 12:$9M, 13:$11M, 14:$12M, 15:$14M club option ($3M buyout)
    RHP J. Garland:
    11:$5M, 12:$8M club option (guaranteed with 190 IP in 2011)
    RHP M. Guerrier: 11:$1.5M, 12:$3.75M, 13:$3.75M
    LHP C. Kershaw: 11: $.5M plus 3 years of arb.

    Seattle (-12)
    RHP F. Hernandez:11:$10M, 12:$18.5M, 13:$19.5M, 14:$20M
    RHP Aardsma: 11 $4.5M plus 1 year of arb.

    Florida (-10.5)
    RHP J. Johnson: 11:$7.75M, 12:$13.75M, 13:$13.75M
    RHP J. Vazquez: 11: $7M
    RHP R. Nolasco: 11:$6M, 12:$9M, 13:$11.5M
    RHP A. Sanchez: 11 $3.7M
    RF M. Stanton: 11: $.416M plus 5 years of control/arb.
    RHP L. Nunez: 11: $3.65M plus 1 year of arb.
    RHP E. Mujica: 11: $.8M plus 2 years of arb.

    Minnesota (-12)
    RHP J. Nathan: 11:$11.25M, 12:$12.5M club option ($2M buyout)
    RHP C. Pavano: 11:$8M, 12:$8.5M
    RHP S. Baker: 11:$5M, 12:$6.5M, 13:$9.25M club option
    LHP G. Perkins: 11: $.7M plus 2 arb years.
    LHP F. Liriano: 11: $4.3M plus 1 arb.

    Colorado (-10)
    LHP De La Rosa: 11:$9.5M, 12:$10M, 13:$11M player option ($1M buyout) which, if exercised by De La Rosa, gives club $11M club option for 2014
    RHP H. Street: 11:$7.3M, 12:$7.5M, 13:$9M player option (club may decline and pay $0.5M buyout)
    RHP Jimenez: 11:$2.8M, 12:$4.2M, 13:$5.75M club option ($1M buyout), 14:$8M club option ($1M buyout)

    Washington (-9)
    RHP Marquis: 11: $7.5M
    RHP: J. Zimmerman: 11: $.415M plus 4 years of arb.
    RHP Strasburg: 11:$2.5M, 12:$3M
    LHP J. Lannan: 11: $2.75M plus 2 arb years.
    RHP Drew Storen: 11: $.418M plus 5 years of control/arb.
    RHP T. Clippard: 11: $.443M plus 4 years of arb.

    NYMets (-8)
    LHP Santana: 11
    :$22.5M, 12:$24M, 13:$25.5M, 14:$25M club option ($5.5M buyout)
    13:$16M club option ($1M buyout)
    SS Jose Reyes: 11:$11M
    RHP M. Pelfrey: 11: $3.925M and 2 arb years.
    RHP RA Dickey: 11: $2.75M, 12: $4.75M, 13: .3M buyout.  
    LHP J. Niese: 11: $.452M then 4 years of control/arb.

    Toronto (-9)
    LHP R. Romero: 11:$0.75M, 12:$5M, 13:$7.5M, 14:$7.5M, 15:$7.5M, 16:$13.1M club option ($0.6M buyout)
    RHP B. Morrow: 11: $2.3M plus 2 arb years.


     
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    Some are talking about getting Hunter Pence. I'd love to get Wandy Rodriguez. I wonder if something could be worked out. If we took on Brett Myer's deal, we might get Pence for cheaper than expected.

    LHP W. Rodriguez: 11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    RHP B. Myers: 11:$7M, 12:$11M, 13:$10M club option ($3M buyout)
    OF Hunter Pence: 11: $6.9M (won arb) plus 2 more arb years.

     
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    In your long list, you may have overlooked Jeremy Guthrie; of course, it may not be that easy for Bos to talk turkey with Balt these days.
     
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    uhhh but heres the thing tomnev, ubaldo jimenez is sign for dirt cheap for the next 3 years. He will make a total of 18 million over the next 3 years. Thats why he is a great fit for the sox. Most pitchers of ubaldos caliber make a heck of a lot more than that and the sox realize they can get a top of the rotation starter with a cheap contract in ubaldo. And guess who becomes a free agent by the time ubaldos contract is up? John lackey. Works out quite nicely dont ya think?
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    Thats a great fit for any team, and especially with a bunch of small market teams in the hunt (CLV, ARZ, PIT, MIL) just to name a few, it will be very tough to snag him.

    I don't want him to come anywhere near Boston. Our pitching will be fine for the post season. If guys like Wake, Miller, Ace and whoever we throw out there, can keep us in some games until Lester and Buck can come back, then we'll be in a great position.

    Hows this rotation sound for the playoffs?

    Beckett, Lester, Buck.

    What we really need is a Lefty out of the pen. Guys like Randy Williams and Hottovy are not going to cut it. Reddick is playing great ball, and now that Crawford is back, its hard to consider bringing in an exspenive OF option.(as long as Crawford can pick up the slack a bit.)

    A guy like Ted Lily would be a great fit, we don't need a "future ace" in Ubaldo- thats spending too much for somehting thats unnecessary. Let the other teams spend that like Arizona.

     
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    I might add nobody expected Lackey to be this big of a bust. He was a big game pitcher for LAA, which was never a slouch of a team. He was right up there with Beckett (before his problems), Lee and Sabathia, with pitchers you would want to pitch in a big game.
     
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    Are we really sure we want to give the whole farm system away for a pitcher who has only had one exceptional year (1/2 really) - whose current whip (1.31)puts him at 60 in MLB (projects to a mid # 3 starter) Career whip 1.27, career ERA a respectable 3.59 - walks a lot of guys and doen't have an overwhelming win-loss % - If you are willing to give the store away I would think the Sox could aim a little higher than Jimenez
    Posted by qball369


    Keep in mind he is only 27 years old qball369. And if you look at his stats he has improved every year since becoming a full time starter. Also, josh becketts career whip is 1.22, jon lesters is 1.29, and clay buchholz's is 1.34 so ubaldo would have the second best on the staff. Considering he pitches in one of the biggest hitters parks in baseball those are pretty good numbers. And who would you consider to be some that the sox could aim higher for? Felix Hernandez? Not happening. No way the mariners trade him and even if they did his cost would be even greater than what we gave up for agonz. Who else? And who else could they get that is the same caliber as ubaldo and makes the same amount as he does over the next 3 years?(he makes roughly 18 million over the next 4 years including this year) The answer is nobody. And i think that his contract is what makes him so appealing to the sox.(and his skillset of course) Theo knows he needs to add a pitcher of ubaldos caliber if the sox want to win the world series. Imagine facing philly in the world series. Their rotation is far superior to ours. But with ubaldo jimenez in the fold, that would all change. 
     
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    In your long list, you may have overlooked Jeremy Guthrie; of course, it may not be that easy for Bos to talk turkey with Balt these days.
    Posted by nhsteven


    Yes, I forgot him when scanning the salary pages.
     
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    In Response to Re: Gammons think Sox will "try" to get Jimenez : Thats a great fit for any team, and especially with a bunch of small market teams in the hunt (CLV, ARZ, PIT, MIL) just to name a few, it will be very tough to snag him. I don't want him to come anywhere near Boston. Our pitching will be fine for the post season. If guys like Wake, Miller, Ace and whoever we throw out there, can keep us in some games until Lester and Buck can come back, then we'll be in a great position. Hows this rotation sound for the playoffs? Beckett, Lester, Buck. What we really need is a Lefty out of the pen. Guys like Randy Williams and Hottovy are not going to cut it. Reddick is playing great ball, and now that Crawford is back, its hard to consider bringing in an exspenive OF option.(as long as Crawford can pick up the slack a bit.) A guy like Ted Lily would be a great fit, we don't need a "future ace" in Ubaldo- thats spending too much for somehting thats unnecessary. Let the other teams spend that like Arizona.
    Posted by RedSoxFan2OO4

    ok but who knows if clay buchholz will even be healthy come playoff time, and also lester in just coming back from an injured in about a week. Who says he will be at 100%? And i think a lot of people are overrating clay buchholz. Yes he is a good pitcher, but he is not durable. He has never started 30 games in a season, in fact he has only started 17 games or over once, has only pitched over 100 innings once, and he has never reached 200 innings in a season and he is the same age as ubaldo. And that rotation of beckett, lester, and buchholz would not fair well against a rotation of doc, lee, and oswalt. (i wouldnt rule out them giving hamels some starts as well). Beckett and lester almost match up to doc and lee but buchholz does not match up to oswalt. Buchholz should be our number 4 pitcher but given the lack of depth in the rotation he is the number 3 guy. I would feel a lot better about a big 3 of beckett, lester, jimenez going against the phils 3 best pitchers any day of the week. 

     
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    Just an fyi to all those posters saying we dont need pitching, here are a few numbers that you might want to consider: red sox starters are 15th in the majors in era, 28th in innings pitched, 12th in walks, and they have allowed the 16th most earned runs in the league. So to those of you who dont think we need a guy like ubaldo jimenez, think again.  
     
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    Just an fyi to all those posters saying we dont need pitching, here are a few numbers that you might want to consider: red sox starters are 15th in the majors in era, 28th in innings pitched, 28th in hits allowed, 12th in walks, and they have allowed the 16th most earned runs in the league. So to those of you who dont think we need a guy like ubaldo jimenez, think again.  
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    FYI: we face the top ofenses in MLB more than most teams.
    We are currently 9th in team pitcher WAR just behind two teams who play in gigantic parks (Oak & Sea).
    We are 3rd in team WHIP in a league with as DH.
    We are tied for 2nd with TB in team AL WHIP (1.22)

    When you factor in how much Lackey has dragged down out team numbers, and the fact that he does not have to start in the playoffs, I like our numbers.
     
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    really you like having 2 reliable starters? One of which is just coming off the DL, both of which have been injured this year, and our number 3 starter is not reliable and not durable enough to depend on. He is currently on the DL and will not be back till some point in august. Once he comes back our 4/5 starters will be wake who is unreliable and his era is approaching 5.00, and lackey and his era over 6.00 who has had way more bad starts than good ones this year and is likely pitching injured. I would not be overly confident in that rotation. 
     
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    moonslav59 if the play-offs began today our pitching in its current state would never beat Philadelphia.
     
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    Just a few days ago many of us were saying that Jiminez was not that good, his velocity was down and he is just another National League pitcher who would not do well in the AL East. Of course that was when the Yankees were rumored to be after him. It seems that he is a totally differant pitcher now that our Sox are supposedly trying to get him.
     
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    Brandon League, do the same strategy like the Rays did last year. Try to make it a 6 inning game. Starter fails doesn't pitch for 4 days, get a dominant reliever, who can pitch almost everyday, and shorten the game. At least we can see how he's doing over the weekend. LHB have .232 avg. against him.
    Posted by bobbysu


    I wanted them to get League last year..Good arm out of the pen..
     
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    In Response to Gammons think Sox will "try" to get Jimenez : Trading for Jimenez would probably be a great move and put our staff right up there with the Phils.  Only 27, good ERA home or away of around 3.60 and he pitches in a hitters park so those are the numbers that stand, not his win or loss record. Beckett Lester Buchholz Jimenez Wake Lackey "well it looks good up to this point" Miller I can see part of the trade
    Posted by craze4sox



    Beckett
    Lester
    Buchholz
    Jimenez
    Wake "well it looks good up to this point."
    Slackey-"close your eyes."
     
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    moonslav59 if the play-offs began today our pitching in its current state would never beat Philadelphia.
    Posted by BurritoT


    I agree, and without Papi's bat in 4 of 7 games, our odds are even more diminished.

    If Buch gets healthy, I do think Beckett-Lester-Buch can get the job done vs Philly, but the loss of 4/7ths of Papi hurts a lot. The only reasonable way to help offset Papi's loss is to upgrade bigtime at SS or RF. We could also try and find another top line starter, but that will be very very costly.

     
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    really you like having 2 reliable starters?

    Yes, I do! That's 2 more than most teams and one more than all but a handful of others. Lester is fine. They are just being overly cautious with him. Buch is a huge question mark, but I still think finding a quality 3rd starter for the playoffs out of Buch, Lackey, Wake, Miller or Aceves is a better option than all but 2-3 teams have in MLB today. And, those teams don't have our line-up.

    You posted some team and starter numbers that showed reason for alarm. I just tried to balance your facts with some others. Since our horrible start, this staff has been near the top of MLB in pitching, even with all the injuries. Our 3-5 starters are doing very well of late, and Bard has been lights out again. I still like our staff a lot. Can we improve on it? Of course. Should we? I hope so? Can we afford to? I'm not so sure. There will be 17 teams that could be buyers this deadline. That will drive the cost up beyond the worth. Maybe Theo can sneak in a crafty deal, but I doubt we outbid other teams for a top starting pitcher.
     
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    Just a few days ago many of us were saying that Jiminez was not that good, his velocity was down and he is just another National League pitcher who would not do well in the AL East. Of course that was when the Yankees were rumored to be after him. It seems that he is a totally differant pitcher now that our Sox are supposedly trying to get him.
    Posted by jrh1194


    Many of us still have that same concern.
     
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    Kershaw would be a much better acquisition but it would take far more to get him.
    However , if Jimenez can be acquired, I'd trade Salty, Navarro, and Bowden for him, and bring up Lavarnway.
    Kershaw would probably require Reddick or Iglesias, plus two other mid-level guys.
     
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    really you like having 2 reliable starters? Yes, I do! That's 2 more than most teams and one more than all but a handful of others. Lester is fine. They are just being overly cautious with him. Buch is a huge question mark, but I still think finding a quality 3rd starter for the playoffs out of Buch, Lackey, Wake, Miller or Aceves is a better option than all but 2-3 teams have in MLB today. And, those teams don't have our line-up. You posted some team and starter numbers that showed reason for alarm. I just tried to balance your facts with some others. Since our horrible start, this staff has been near the top of MLB in pitching, even with all the injuries. Our 3-5 starters are doing very well of late, and Bard has been lights out again. I still like our staff a lot. Can we improve on it? Of course. Should we? I hope so? Can we afford to? I'm not so sure. There will be 17 teams that could be buyers this deadline. That will drive the cost up beyond the worth. Maybe Theo can sneak in a crafty deal, but I doubt we outbid other teams for a top starting pitcher.
    Posted by moonslav59


    I think if they get a pitcher it will be a 2nd tier guy like a kevin slowey (Minn.)type. honestly I dont see a blockbuster deal from the Sox...But Ive been wrong before..
     
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    In Response to Re: Gammons think Sox will "try" to get Jimenez : I think if they get a pitcher it will be a 2nd tier guy like a kevin slowey (Minn.)type. honestly I dont see a blockbuster deal from the Sox...But Ive been wrong before..
    Posted by southpaw777


    I agree. I dont see Theo spending big on another starter.

     
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