Salary P G AB Ave. HR RBI OBP OPS
Player A: $22.5mil 1B 15 53 .224 6 16 .364 .949
Player B: $22mil 1B 17 65 .277 1 8 .365 .780
getting what you pay for?????
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getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 1:10 AM EDT
- dustcover
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 3:46 AM EDT
- redsoxpride34
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Im guessing player A is mark texiera and player B is adrian gonzalez. It makes you wonder, the FO would not sign tex for the same money essentially they gave adrian when tex would have only cost money and a draft pick where as gonzo cost 2 top prospects and a good prospect. Also tex had already played in the AL and is a switch hitter (ie more balanced line up)Not sure what kind of logic the FO uses. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 8:38 AM EDT
- parhunter1
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17 games is a worthless comparison when dealing with 7 - 8 year contracts. Let's revisit each October. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 10:12 AM EDT
- tom-uk
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Player A last 3 yrs road OPS .835
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 10:36 AM EDT
- terrytito
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well, tex makes half a million more per year, so his stats should be better.
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 10:51 AM EDT
- Soxdog67
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I am sure both the Red Sox and Yankee organizations are questioning their decisions having less than a full month of data as the basis for this.
Let's put this topic under a dustcover for a while until a better sample size can be assimulated.
Actually, since Teixiera already helped the Yankees to a championship and heats up with the weather...I doubt the Yankees are concerned about their investment at all.
Similarily, Gonzalez is still getting acclimated to playing on a new team and in the AL again so I bet the Red Sox have ZERO reservations about signing him, especially since they signing became official in the middle of his slumping. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:17 AM EDT
- redsoxfan791
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In Response to getting what you pay for?????:Salary P G AB Ave. HR RBI OBP OPS Player A: $22.5mil 1B 15 53 .224 6 16 .364 .949 Player B: $22mil 1B 17 65 .277 1 8 .365 .780
Posted by dustcover
It's April. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:23 AM EDT
- royf19
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In Response to getting what you pay for?????:Salary P G AB Ave. HR RBI OBP OPS Player A: $22.5mil 1B 15 53 .224 6 16 .364 .949 Player B: $22mil 1B 17 65 .277 1 8 .365 .780
Posted by dustcoverPlayer A's first 17 games in his first year (2009) with his current team:2 HR, 10 RBI, .206 BA, .743 OPS, 11 K. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:29 AM EDT
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I love that a .780 OPS is considered a huge slump. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:35 AM EDT
- mrmojo1120
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Closer A: 15 mil- 1 inning 4 hits 2 earned runs blown save
Closer B: 12 mil- 1.1 innings 2 hits 1 earned run save
This makes as much sense as the original post. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:38 AM EDT
- Hfxsoxnut
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Gonzalez's total salary cost to the Sox is 8 years 160 million, so a 20 million average salary.
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:40 AM EDT
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I can't believe this is even a post to discuss the season performance of a player in April! -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 11:41 AM EDT
- SpacemanEephus
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:Player A last 3 yrs road OPS .835 Player B last 3 yrs road OPS .989
Posted by tom-ukthank you -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:02 PM EDT
- Flapjack07
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Very silly post. You realize Teixeira had very slow starts (considerably worse than the #s you posted for Gonzalez) in his first two years with the Yankees, right? If we're judging players by a couple weeks in April now, you would have fallen off the back of the Teixeira bandwagon two years ago. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:08 PM EDT
- jimdavis
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:Im guessing player A is mark texiera and player B is adrian gonzalez. It makes you wonder, the FO would not sign tex for the same money essentially they gave adrian when tex would have only cost money and a draft pick where as gonzo cost 2 top prospects and a good prospect. Also tex had already played in the AL and is a switch hitter (ie more balanced line up)Not sure what kind of logic the FO uses.
Posted by redsoxpride34
This could be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. You base your post on a comparison of two players after sixteen games. So Jared Weaver must be the best pitcher in the history of the game...using your logic.
Here is Sandy Koufax game by game log in 196204-11-1962 * vs Reds 1 0 0 2.00 9.0 7 4 2 2 0 3 0 0 0 0 04-15-1962 * vs Braves 0 1 0 3.52 6.1 7 8 4 5 1 3 0 0 0 0 04-19-1962 * at Reds 1 0 0 3.52 7.2 9 7 3 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 04-24-1962 * at Cubs 1 0 0 3.09 9.0 18 6 2 2 1 4 0 0 0 0
Here is Weaver's from this AprilApr 20 @ TEX W 4-1 9.0 6 1 1 0 0 8 6 18 119 32 79 W(5-0) - 1.23 Apr 15 @ CHW W 4-3 7.0 4 3 2 1 0 4 7 14 104 27 63 W(4-0) - 1.30 Apr 10 vs TOR W 3-1 7.2 4 1 1 0 4 15 2 9 125 30 78 W(3-0) - 0.87 Apr 5 @ TB W 5-3 6.2 3 1 1 1 3 6 6 11 112 26 67 W(2-0) - 0.69
Yup, you are right, Weaver is a much better pitcher than Sandy. The numbers tell me so. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:10 PM EDT
- jimdavis
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:Closer A: 15 mil- 1 inning 4 hits 2 earned runs blown save Closer B: 12 mil- 1.1 innings 2 hits 1 earned run save This makes as much sense as the original post.
Posted by mrmojo1120
Closer A suks! Whoever that is needs to be released now! Closer B should be signed to a new contract now!
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:29 PM EDT
- dustcover
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Hfxsoxnut - On the day of signing, the Globe reported AGon's contract at 7yrs/$154 mil. Who do you believe?
To all others, thanks for your responses.
I simply posted factual data with no conclusions. Fishing here in the Gulf of late has been off somewhat, perhaps due to the changing tides. So you might say, I was simply 'chumming' the water out of boredom.
This was better than a school of Spanish mackeral hitting some live bait. Hello!! -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:37 PM EDT
- J-BAY
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FWIW, due to Teixiera's notoriously slow starts, he worked out at Bobby Valentines complex in Stamford, CT a month before spring training, which he attributes to his better April numbers. Also, gonzo hit off a tee for the first half of spring training. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 12:58 PM EDT
- losmediasloco
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The 7 yrs-$154 mil. is the xtension. 8 yrs. and $160 mil. is cost to the Red Sox for Ext. plus this year.
Dustcover at least admits that the OP is trolling and is amused at the bites that he got. Many who come here to troll refuse to be so candid. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 1:02 PM EDT
- redsoxfan791
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:Hfxsoxnut - On the day of signing, the Globe reported AGon's contract at 7yrs/$154 mil. Who do you believe? To all others, thanks for your responses. I simply posted factual data with no conclusions. Fishing here in the Gulf of late has been off somewhat, perhaps due to the changing tides. So you might say, I was simply 'chumming' the water out of boredom. This was better than a school of Spanish mackeral hitting some live bait. Hello!!
Posted by dustcover
His contract doesn't start until 2012. Hfx was including A-Gon's 2011 salary in the equation. So while you're correct about the extension, it doesn't make sense to not include his 2011 salary since we're talking about 2011. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 1:44 PM EDT
- Soxdog67
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:Hfxsoxnut - On the day of signing, the Globe reported AGon's contract at 7yrs/$154 mil. Who do you believe? To all others, thanks for your responses. I simply posted factual data with no conclusions. Fishing here in the Gulf of late has been off somewhat, perhaps due to the changing tides. So you might say, I was simply 'chumming' the water out of boredom. This was better than a school of Spanish mackeral hitting some live bait. Hello!!
Posted by dustcover
Dusty...BTW, Gonzalez is only being paid $6million in 2011...so even with his current slump he is a relative bargain right now.
NUFCED (Enough Said). -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 9:02 PM EDT
- dustcover
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:In Response to Re: getting what you pay for????? : His contract doesn't start until 2012. Hfx was including A-Gon's 2011 salary in the equation. So while you're correct about the extension, it doesn't make sense to not include his 2011 salary since we're talking about 2011.
Posted by redsoxfan791
You along with Hfx, Soxdog67, and losmediasloco are right on, absolutely correct, thanks for bringing me up to speed. -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 9:12 PM EDT
- dustcover
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I'm going to watch these respective stats as the season progresses for these two first basemen. It should prove interesting given the comparable salarys.
I'm certain you'll be just as intrigued
as to which puts up the best numbers. So I'll happily post the ongoing stats periodically for your continued attention. 
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Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 9:13 PM EDT
- kt888
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:The 7 yrs-$154 mil. is the xtension. 8 yrs. and $160 mil. is cost to the Red Sox for Ext. plus this year. Dustcover at least admits that the OP is trolling and is amused at the bites that he got. Many who come here to troll refuse to be so candid.
Posted by losmediaslocoPlus three nice prospects....... -
Re: getting what you pay for?????
posted at 4/21/2011 9:17 PM EDT
- Hfxsoxnut
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In Response to Re: getting what you pay for?????:In Response to Re: getting what you pay for????? : Plus three nice prospects.......
Posted by kt888
Absolutely. A very expensive acquisition to be sure.