GM just full of surprises

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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    Beckett is the only guy who was actually in the regular rotation, not counting injury.  Last time I checked the Sox had Lester, buchholz, Lackey and Doubront.  So, again, your little smashing Ben fest is based on you not understanding the situation.

     In some fantasy world, where there were lots of affordable, good pitchers on the market, sure, it would be great to grab a couple top guys.  But, there aren't.  There is only middle rotation guys at best and none of them are coming cheap.  I like Sanchez too.  Gotta see what the market is.  I think Haren on his 1 year extension is fine too if the Angels pick it up and don't want the whole farm in return.  I don't know. tough choices.  

    Ben does not have it easy.  But one thing I am absolutely sure of.  He knows the lay of the land and has infinitely more understanding of the market and the situation on the club than you do.  Spare us your ridiculous lambasting of him.  


    you think Ben is an astute judge of baseball talent? really????



    At this juncture, I do not have reason to believe otherwise, other than the total failure of Mark Melancon, who, even for those that were not sold on his ability to come in to the back end of a pen in the AL East, I heard no one predict would be such an epic fail.  Every other decision made last year has to be viewed through the lens of the fiscal restraints placed upon him by Theo's willy nilly spending sprees of his latter years. 

    Strike that.  Bard in the rotation was bad.

     

    But, verdict still out.




    Melancon finished very strong IMO. He came into a tough situation in NY with the bases loaded and shut them down. He had a different look to him. I think he will be OK...

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    Beckett is the only guy who was actually in the regular rotation, not counting injury.  Last time I checked the Sox had Lester, buchholz, Lackey and Doubront.  So, again, your little smashing Ben fest is based on you not understanding the situation.

     In some fantasy world, where there were lots of affordable, good pitchers on the market, sure, it would be great to grab a couple top guys.  But, there aren't.  There is only middle rotation guys at best and none of them are coming cheap.  I like Sanchez too.  Gotta see what the market is.  I think Haren on his 1 year extension is fine too if the Angels pick it up and don't want the whole farm in return.  I don't know. tough choices.  

    Ben does not have it easy.  But one thing I am absolutely sure of.  He knows the lay of the land and has infinitely more understanding of the market and the situation on the club than you do.  Spare us your ridiculous lambasting of him.  


    you think Ben is an astute judge of baseball talent? really????



    At this juncture, I do not have reason to believe otherwise, other than the total failure of Mark Melancon, who, even for those that were not sold on his ability to come in to the back end of a pen in the AL East, I heard no one predict would be such an epic fail.  Every other decision made last year has to be viewed through the lens of the fiscal restraints placed upon him by Theo's willy nilly spending sprees of his latter years. 

    Strike that.  Bard in the rotation was bad.

     

    But, verdict still out.




    Melancon finished very strong IMO. He came into a tough situation in NY with the bases loaded and shut them down. He had a different look to him. I think he will be OK...



    I think you are right.  I was just trying to give a little in my arguement to see if reason could win out over ridiculous overstatement.  Melancon is going to turn it around in year two.

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    Beckett is the only guy who was actually in the regular rotation, not counting injury.  Last time I checked the Sox had Lester, buchholz, Lackey and Doubront.  So, again, your little smashing Ben fest is based on you not understanding the situation.

     In some fantasy world, where there were lots of affordable, good pitchers on the market, sure, it would be great to grab a couple top guys.  But, there aren't.  There is only middle rotation guys at best and none of them are coming cheap.  I like Sanchez too.  Gotta see what the market is.  I think Haren on his 1 year extension is fine too if the Angels pick it up and don't want the whole farm in return.  I don't know. tough choices.  

    Ben does not have it easy.  But one thing I am absolutely sure of.  He knows the lay of the land and has infinitely more understanding of the market and the situation on the club than you do.  Spare us your ridiculous lambasting of him.  


    you think Ben is an astute judge of baseball talent? really????



    At this juncture, I do not have reason to believe otherwise, other than the total failure of Mark Melancon, who, even for those that were not sold on his ability to come in to the back end of a pen in the AL East, I heard no one predict would be such an epic fail.  Every other decision made last year has to be viewed through the lens of the fiscal restraints placed upon him by Theo's willy nilly spending sprees of his latter years. 

    Strike that.  Bard in the rotation was bad.

     

    But, verdict still out.




    Melancon finished very strong IMO. He came into a tough situation in NY with the bases loaded and shut them down. He had a different look to him. I think he will be OK...



    I think you are right.  I was just trying to give a little in my arguement to see if reason could win out over ridiculous overstatement.  Melancon is going to turn it around in year two.




    Not woth giving a little space. Hes dead set on dumping on a GM that had to clean up somebodys mess before he could really start to do his job. He made some tough choices, but did what he had to. Ben hes been with the Sox longer than this ownership. He started in scouting and development. To say anybody could do a better job is completely ridiculous and does nothing for his credibility as a knowledgeable fan...Its obvious that scoot was a gamer, but due to a bum shoulder, could no longer play SS. Id rather have Punto on the bench at 1.5M who can play 3 IF positions than scutaro at 6M that can play 1, which happens to be occupied by pedey.

    The move allowed us to fill a position of need and we also acquired a young pitcher whos under control for a few more years. I dont think its so much that he didnt like the trade as it is his disdain for BC...

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    Beckett is the only guy who was actually in the regular rotation, not counting injury.  Last time I checked the Sox had Lester, buchholz, Lackey and Doubront.  So, again, your little smashing Ben fest is based on you not understanding the situation.

     In some fantasy world, where there were lots of affordable, good pitchers on the market, sure, it would be great to grab a couple top guys.  But, there aren't.  There is only middle rotation guys at best and none of them are coming cheap.  I like Sanchez too.  Gotta see what the market is.  I think Haren on his 1 year extension is fine too if the Angels pick it up and don't want the whole farm in return.  I don't know. tough choices.  

    Ben does not have it easy.  But one thing I am absolutely sure of.  He knows the lay of the land and has infinitely more understanding of the market and the situation on the club than you do.  Spare us your ridiculous lambasting of him.  


    you think Ben is an astute judge of baseball talent? really????



    At this juncture, I do not have reason to believe otherwise, other than the total failure of Mark Melancon, who, even for those that were not sold on his ability to come in to the back end of a pen in the AL East, I heard no one predict would be such an epic fail.  Every other decision made last year has to be viewed through the lens of the fiscal restraints placed upon him by Theo's willy nilly spending sprees of his latter years. 

    Strike that.  Bard in the rotation was bad.

     

    But, verdict still out.




    Melancon finished very strong IMO. He came into a tough situation in NY with the bases loaded and shut them down. He had a different look to him. I think he will be OK...



    I think you are right.  I was just trying to give a little in my arguement to see if reason could win out over ridiculous overstatement.  Melancon is going to turn it around in year two.




    Not woth giving a little space. Hes dead set on dumping on a GM that had to clean up somebodys mess before he could really start to do his job. He made some tough choices, but did what he had to. Ben hes been with the Sox longer than this ownership. He started in scouting and development. To say anybody could do a better job is completely ridiculous and does nothing for his credibility as a knowledgeable fan...Its obvious that scoot was a gamer, but due to a bum shoulder, could no longer play SS. Id rather have Punto on the bench at 1.5M who can play 3 IF positions than scutaro at 6M that can play 1, which happens to be occupied by pedey.

    The move allowed us to fill a position of need and we also acquired a young pitcher whos under control for a few more years. I dont think its so much that he didnt like the trade as it is his disdain for BC...



    the fact that you think melancon and probably bailey are important for the sox is hilarious in itself...colossal failures.....I think Ben must be paying people on this board because no one outside of this bootlicking enclave, and i mean noone, that thinks Ben is a good GM. He is a laughing stock in his dealings with the Cubs and groveling for a last place manager...his decision to let paps walk, start bard, trade reddick for bailey, and get meloncan are epically bad...dont forget the great breslow move because we needed to get rid of our best middle reliever for a one inning specialist set up guy...oh yea, the guy he sent packing ends up winning the mvp of the pennant series and gets the winning hit of the wolrd series - the guy who he replaced him with is the dumpster throw in for a manager trade...and dont forget the best....the brent lillibridge saga....ben spent more time as GM on that guy than anyone else....

     
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    yea, that scutaro played in a lot of games for someone on death's doorstep...and if aviles was given the shortstop job, than any argument saying marco couldnt anymore is hilarious....there were plenty of infield positions for marco to play last yr..oh yea, we had the great Punto for about the same money signed....great job Ben....



    There aren't that many IF positions.  There is actually only 4, though I am not surprised you didn't know that.

    1B-No bat and we had Gonzo

    2B-OK bat, but we had Pedey

    SS-OK bat, but no arm

    3B-He'd be #3 behind Youk and WMB, and probably no arm.

    Seriously, is it that hard to count to 4.

    One more whine about nothing.

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben?

    Just so I understand, you're whining about an interview BC gave?  If you and Geo are in a contest on who can whine about the most things, I'm not sure this even qualifies for subject material.

     
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    I would assume more moves are on the way but as it stands today this is a 4th place team.

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    If I were the Sox Anibal and/or McCarthy would top my list unless they can pull off a trade for someone better, or possibly land Greinke as a FA.  Both Anibal and McCarthy I feel are better than a healthy Lackey who I don't see ever having any real success in our division. 

    It would be a huge plus if he did but I just don't see it happening.  We need two or three solid starters to really compete.

     

     

     
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    Cherington "would like to add a pitcher to the rotation". Really Ben? Did you think of that all by yourself? Let's see, we've lost Beckett, Dice-K, and Cook, maybe Ben thinks that one more pitcher gets us back to a 3 man rotation, and then Doubront and Morales can fill the back side.

    I would almost bet my paycheck that the Sox get Liriano as the one pitcher they add. Since Ben is not willing to move any pitching prospects, trading for a #3 or better is not going to be easy. there are some good FA pitchers available. A. Sanchez would be my choice, but if the Tigers want to hang on to him, I bet we could Porcello without having to give away the farm. He's a heck of a lot better than Liriano and what, 5 years younger?



    Beckett is the only guy who was actually in the regular rotation, not counting injury.  Last time I checked the Sox had Lester, buchholz, Lackey and Doubront.  So, again, your little smashing Ben fest is based on you not understanding the situation.

     In some fantasy world, where there were lots of affordable, good pitchers on the market, sure, it would be great to grab a couple top guys.  But, there aren't.  There is only middle rotation guys at best and none of them are coming cheap.  I like Sanchez too.  Gotta see what the market is.  I think Haren on his 1 year extension is fine too if the Angels pick it up and don't want the whole farm in return.  I don't know. tough choices.  

    Ben does not have it easy.  But one thing I am absolutely sure of.  He knows the lay of the land and has infinitely more understanding of the market and the situation on the club than you do.  Spare us your ridiculous lambasting of him.  


    you think Ben is an astute judge of baseball talent? really????



    At this juncture, I do not have reason to believe otherwise, other than the total failure of Mark Melancon, who, even for those that were not sold on his ability to come in to the back end of a pen in the AL East, I heard no one predict would be such an epic fail.  Every other decision made last year has to be viewed through the lens of the fiscal restraints placed upon him by Theo's willy nilly spending sprees of his latter years. 

    Strike that.  Bard in the rotation was bad.

     

    But, verdict still out.




    Melancon finished very strong IMO. He came into a tough situation in NY with the bases loaded and shut them down. He had a different look to him. I think he will be OK...



    I think you are right.  I was just trying to give a little in my arguement to see if reason could win out over ridiculous overstatement.  Melancon is going to turn it around in year two.




    Not woth giving a little space. Hes dead set on dumping on a GM that had to clean up somebodys mess before he could really start to do his job. He made some tough choices, but did what he had to. Ben hes been with the Sox longer than this ownership. He started in scouting and development. To say anybody could do a better job is completely ridiculous and does nothing for his credibility as a knowledgeable fan...Its obvious that scoot was a gamer, but due to a bum shoulder, could no longer play SS. Id rather have Punto on the bench at 1.5M who can play 3 IF positions than scutaro at 6M that can play 1, which happens to be occupied by pedey.

    The move allowed us to fill a position of need and we also acquired a young pitcher whos under control for a few more years. I dont think its so much that he didnt like the trade as it is his disdain for BC...



    the fact that you think melancon and probably bailey are important for the sox is hilarious in itself...colossal failures.....I think Ben must be paying people on this board because no one outside of this bootlicking enclave, and i mean noone, that thinks Ben is a good GM. He is a laughing stock in his dealings with the Cubs and groveling for a last place manager...his decision to let paps walk, start bard, trade reddick for bailey, and get meloncan are epically bad...dont forget the great breslow move because we needed to get rid of our best middle reliever for a one inning specialist set up guy...oh yea, the guy he sent packing ends up winning the mvp of the pennant series and gets the winning hit of the wolrd series - the guy who he replaced him with is the dumpster throw in for a manager trade...and dont forget the best....the brent lillibridge saga....ben spent more time as GM on that guy than anyone else....




    I said Melancon finished the year strong, and he did. I made no mention of Bailey. Your just made because your boy Valentine turned out to me the biggest collosal failure of them all.

     
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