No Moon, we just didnt base their whole careers from one bad year, or a few ST starts. Its the people who think Jon Lester is what we saw last year and forget about the 4 years prior to that, to which I say Go Figure. Its the Clay Buchholz that can be an 18 game winner, but ran into a couple injuries and was back on track last year after he was fully recovered, and has now carried it into ST this year. I think those are the 2 guys that everyone expect the most from. What weve seen from the other 3 is without a doubt encouraging. And why shouldnt it be? You talk as if were idiots for being optimistic from what weve seen so far and what we know they are capable of.
No, I'm just curious why you guys are more optimistic about these two than you were last year. They both had their worst seasons in a long time. I can't see why a few ST games should make us feel ebetter than we did last March. That was my point. Yes, I expect them to be better than 2012.
Because I look at last year for Lester as a bad year. Although he isnt throwing 96-97 anymore, hes still at 92-94 consistantly, still hitting 96. I also know that power pitchers usually lose an MPH or 2 around the age of 29-30. Its normal. Lester has great stuff. I knew this before ST this year. He can pitch, not just throw. Which is why I think a Cy Young isnt out of the discussion with him just yet. Buchholz was great after the back was good again last year. Hes working quicker, which is keeping him in a good rhythm. That and hes got some of thee best stuff in all MLB, IMO. I dont just throw all that out from one bad year. Ive ALWAYS believed these 2 were TOTR pitchers, even when everyone was saying they were MOTR guys. I believe they will prove me right this year.
As far as Doubie goes, he has serious swing and miss stuff. Thats a fact. Hes just not that efficient, thus a higher whip. But to your point, Im not sure too many people have expressed being more confident with him this year, especially the way he showed up to camp. And Lackey and Dempster are the unknowns right now, but have looked prety good themselves.
I'm not impressed with our 3-5 starters, sorry. I do like Taz, Morales, Webster and Mortensen as out 6-9 starters. They may be close to the best in baseball. It's nice to have 7 guys to choose from for the 3-5 slots, but I'd prefer to have a couple of known solid and durable arms than 7 big ifs.
Ive explained how I feel about Doubie, as well as Lackey and Dempster being unknowns this year. Ill admit that I dont expect TOTR pitching from either of them, but I know with Dempster that you dont hang around MLB for 15 years if your not good. From what Ive seen, hes a smart pitcher with great accuracy. Yeah, hes gonna get lit up if hes not spot on, Butlike I said, Im not expecting TOTR stuff from him. I think we can count on about 200IP though. I agree with you about Webster, he looks to be something special, but Id like to see him prove himself throughout a full season. I like what Im seeing though. Taz needs to be stretched out. He hasnt been since returning from TJS a couple years ago, so he cant start until he does. Morales has a bulging disc. That might mean back surgery. Mortensen is Mortensen and Aceves is really your only legit spot starter right now besides Wright. They need more starting depth IMO.
Jon Lester was in the Cy Young talks a couple times before 2012 as well as Buchholz. They are both still in the start of their prime and look to be back to top form. Call me a pollyanna then, because I like what Im seeing so far and i have seen what they are capable of.
I like what I'm seeing too, but Lester has lost velocity since thos "Cy Young" contending years, and I worry about any player with a previous back injury and inconsistent stretches (Buch).
I explained the natural loss of velocity with power pitchers his age. He can "pitch" though and not just be a "thrower". Thats the difference between him and Beckett. I understand the concern for Buch's back, but there have been no signs of that rearing its ugly head since the end of the 2011 season. It just took him a couple months to get back into it last year. But when he did, he was pretty awesome. I think hes even better this year. He won 17 games in 2010 and was in the Cy Young discussion also. He doesnt have a ton of mileage on that arm either. I have no reason to worry about injuries since there have been no issues for a year and a half now.