Re: Good effort today, Rays 6 back
posted at 7/12/2011 1:04 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Good effort today, Rays 6 back
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Good effort today, Rays 6 back : harness, You have learned? There are ways of challenging people without attacking their credibility or name calling as you do
. I'm not and never will be that type of person. As a result, I choose to ignore, rather than provoke them into a more heated discussion. As far as the AL East, Tampa doesn't have the chemistry they once had and especially not the depth. The first half of the season showed me what type of team they have. They played well against the "below 500 teams" and struggled against the best. After the All Star break they have 7 games with the Yankees and Sox, a series that will be missing the likes of ARod and two of our top three pitchers. Then they play 20 more games against "below 500" clubs before finding the schedule a bit tougher down the stretch. The fact Tampa has stayed relatively healthy compared to the Yanks and Sox also tells me they are not that good. If Tampa can't make up ground in the next 27 games I feel they will be out of the race with 45 games left in the season. The Yankees will miss "ARod" theres no doubt. Couple this with the fact they have the lowest team BA in years "I agree" the second half may not go as well. The Sox have the best chemistry of the three in my opinion and it should show down the stretch if we can stay healthy. Our team learned a great deal from last season and we have a lot of depth, even without Clay or Jon for a bit. I also believe Theo is looking to make a trade to help our cause even further. I have no problem with a friendly discussion on baseball and also don't hold grudges will people who come forward as you have. I just hope you understand were I'm coming from, otherwise it's really not worth my time.
Posted by craze4sox
Let's try and put this into perspective.
If I come on to this board for the first time
and say I'm Curt Schilling (not too far-fetched in that he has posted on public forums), yet nothing I post would gel with his known MO, how do you think others will react?
Can you expect: "Oh great. Welcome to the board Curt". Is that realistic?
Or will I be challenged? Will my credibility be questioned? In what fashion?
First of all, at that point, I have no board
credibility. And since nobody knows me, my personal credibility won't mean squat.
People in UR own circles know you. You have nothing to answer for with them.
If you are questioned by those who don't know you from Adam, your credibility is a non-factor. Thus, what you say and how you back it up is all we have to go on.
Now, if I come on here like you did and say: Theo Epstein is a liar.
"Theo backed the Hanley deal and wanted him out of Boston" - I expect to be challenged. Thus, I won't
make such a statement unless I can back it up with something
. Claiming to work for the organization would give you access to such a bold statement depending upon UR circles of involvement.
This is what I mean by understanding the language on this board.
Since then, most every take you've had you've been prepared to back-up, and you've done it credibly. You didn't in UR initial posts. If I hadn't challenged you, someone else would have. Their demeanor could have been better of worse.
I think you've seen enough here to get a rough idea as to what to expect from whom.
And once you learn who is and who isn't credible on this board, I think you'll find that those you come to respect will tell you that I'm not one to go into the gutter (name-calling) first. Not ever. But I'll go there when provoked. Bet on it.
If you wish to blame me for challenging your credibility, which was an unknown, feel free. I wanted to know the truth. If Theo is a liar, I think that's very important to know going forward, as it affects many in his orbit. Including other GM's, who have a lot of respect for him. And until I have something credible that exposes him as such, then it's on you to either retract the statement
or show another area where he was caught in such a lie. Anything to justify a rather bold statement.
If you can't, so be it. There's no name-calling here. Just discussing what you brought up.
As for the Rays, I don't know how a baseball fan can measure team chemistry.
You feel it isn't as strong with them this year. Did you see any indication of this from a quote or a dispute? Did a player relate this somehow?
What makes you say that?