Good game to lose

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    Re: Good game to lose

    The reason for leaving Youk in the 4 spot is he's the only right handed power hitter on the team.  If you switch him with Papi, then both the 3rd and 4th hitters are lefties, allowing a lefty specialist to pitch to both AGon and Papi.  The opposing team can still leave the lefty in there to pitch to AGon and Youk to get to Papi and Crawford, but Youk is batting .290 against lefties with a slugging % of 600. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Good game to lose : Max , I suggest you watch the replay of the game, if you have access. First of all, Youk came in hitting less than .100 against Shields. In the first frame, with runners at the corners, it's a good idea to see what Shields has working on this given night. Recall, he was wild vs. Jake. If Youk had popped up on the first swing, we'd we getting: "How the hell can he swing at a first pitch hitting a buck against this guy???". His approach was correct. He worked the count to 2-2, then got a meatball that he fouled back. That was his pitch. He had a better idea of how to gauge Shield's velocity at that point. That's why baseball is a game of inches. That could have easily been a double given an inch the other way. Hard to critique Youk's hitting. He's had a pretty nice career.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Pretty good critique of my critique.  I still disagree with Youk on giving away the first pitch and on his continuing saga of not getting guys on third home when there are one or no outs.  He has had a great career with the Sox and is one reason why they are good year after year. 

    I found it interesting that Gonzalez, who probably never faced Shields before, went 3 for 4; and Ellsbury, who has, also stroked a clean single, one of just five Sox hits in the game. 

    If Youk had driven in that run in the first, it would have been a different ball game.  Wake, who was terrific, would probably not have gone as long as he did because last night that knuckler was really giving Salty fits.  The lefty reliever would probably not have gone in, and the game might have been a 1-1 tie in the 8th and 9th innings instead of 4-0. 

    But, as I said in the OP, Shields earned that win, so it's hard to get mad at anyone. 
     
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    Some stats for anyone besides me who is interested:

    The league average on getting a runner home from 3B with less than 2 outs is 53 %.  The Red Sox as a team have been successful in that regard 44 % of the time.  Youkilis has gotten the runner home 29 % of the time, 2nd lowest on the team behind only Papi at 24 % .  

    Youk has come up to bat the most in this situation (21 PAs), followed by Drew (19 PAs, with a 37 % success rate), then Crawford and Gonalez (18 PAs each, with 39 % and 67 % success rates, respectively.

     
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    [QUOTE]"the dude is not the feared hitter he once was."--babe you could just as well be referring to a-rod. this punk is not the feared hitter he once was.

    Posted by --the--yazzer[/QUOTE]

    I think it's pretty obvious that Arod is not the same hitter he once was, but that doesn't change the fact that youk looks shot.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Good game to lose : I think it's pretty obvious that Arod is not the same hitter he once was, but that doesn't change the fact that youk looks shot.
    Posted by --The--Babe---[/QUOTE]

    Overstating it a little?

    Youk OPS .862 RBI 42
    A-Rod OPS .879 RBI 42 
     
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    [QUOTE]Wastefield was not good pitching, 5 walks and a wild pitch and smoke and mirrors against one of the weakest offenses in baseball.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    Oh please! He could throw a no-hitter but if he walked 5 guys, you'd complain about him.
    Fact is he had a rookie umpire who'd probably never called knuckleballs and several of Wakes pitches were indeed strikes that weren't called.
    He gave up 1 earned run on 4 hits. What more do want from the guy?
     
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    [QUOTE]Good pitching stops good hitting. Period. That is why it is and always has been the over-riding factor.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    That's debatable. Agon didn't seem to have a problem with him. He hit three rockets off him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wastefield was not good pitching, 5 walks and a wild pitch and smoke and mirrors against one of the weakest offenses in baseball.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]
     5 walks, not good.  wild pitch, not good but hardly egregious.  Other than that, it is very difficult to look negatively on 7 innings of 4 hit pitching, 2 earned run pitching.  You call it smoke and mirrors, fine.  But Wakefield is always smoke and mirrors then.  That is what makes him cool.  Your need to overstate your case is silly.  Tampa is not an offensive "jaugonaught", but they aren't terrible either.  Plenty of weapons.  Middle of the pack statistically.
     
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    Actually, only 1 earned run. The other scored on a PB.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Good game to lose : Pretty good critique of my critique.  I still disagree with Youk on giving away the first pitch and on his continuing saga of not getting guys on third home when there are one or no outs.  He has had a great career with the Sox and is one reason why they are good year after year.  I found it interesting that Gonzalez, who probably never faced Shields before, went 3 for 4; and Ellsbury, who has, also stroked a clean single, one of just five Sox hits in the game.  If Youk had driven in that run in the first, it would have been a different ball game.  Wake, who was terrific, would probably not have gone as long as he did because last night that knuckler was really giving Salty fits.  The lefty reliever would probably not have gone in, and the game might have been a 1-1 tie in the 8th and 9th innings instead of 4-0.  But, as I said in the OP, Shields earned that win, so it's hard to get mad at anyone. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps you missed my post where Youk is a .396 LT hittergetting men home from 3rd base with less than two outs.
    That constitutes "saga". Not 14 AB's where a guy might be pressing and coming out of his game.

    A proven commodity generally returns to form, unless he's aging out, and I wouldn't put Youk there.

    EDIT: Not after tonight!   Sealed

    I don't like to critique hitting because it's so damn difficult. Good hitters will fail more often than not. That's why pitching will always be the over-riding factor.

    To compare Youk to AGONE is unfair. AGONE may end up the greatest Boston hitter since Ted Williams. And keep in mind the failure rate of the greatest hitter of them all.
     

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