Grade our starting Pitchers

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    Grade our starting Pitchers

    Beckett - (C+) choked when it mattered, not an ace any more

    Lester - (C-) choked worse when it mattered, this guy is not an ace; period

    Wakefield - (F) hasnt been a big league putcher for over two years. His quest for 200 wins got him to 167 losses and seriously cost this team

    Bedard - (C) so so, the guys always hurt

    Buchholz - (F) non factor due to injury, but his comments make it seem like he wasnt exactly chomping at the bit to come help his team out

    Lackey - (NG - NO GRADE) pathetic in every sense of the word. horrible pitcher, worse team mate. the guy is a cancer

    Miller - (D) average 5th starter  
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett - (C+) choked when it mattered, not an ace any more Lester - (C-) choked worse when it mattered, this guy is not an ace; period Wakefield - (F) hasnt been a big league putcher for over two years. His quest for 200 wins got him to 167 losses and seriously cost this team Bedard - (C) so so, the guys always hurt Buchholz - (F) non factor due to injury, but his comments make it seem like he wasnt exactly chomping at the bit to come help his team out Lackey - (NG - NO GRADE) pathetic in every sense of the word. horrible pitcher, worse team mate. the guy is a cancer Miller - (D) average 5th starter  
    Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]

    I agree with most of your grades except for Bucholz. I think that he should get an "INC" (incomplete) due to his injuries.
     
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    Nah, Wakefield gets a C.  He was never meant to be a regular in the rotation this year.  Just the fact that he didn't go down with an injury speaks volumes about him.

    Same with Miller - Besides, if he was an average 5th starter, then he should get a C.  Miller wasn't a starter - he was spot starter.  Did what he was supposed to do against weaker teams. 

    Lackey gets an F-.

    You forgot to grade the pitching coach.  D.  It was a tough season for the pitching coach but he didn't get it done.  Had he done C work, the team would have clinched the WC last week.

    He had all season to work with Lackey and never got it done.  And by the end of the season, Lester and Beckett fell apart.

     
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    Josh Beckett (B-) - He had good season prior ro September.  imagine Sox without Beckett this year..

    Jon Lester (C+) - Good mid-season. terrible last 6 starts. without those 6 starts, I should have given him a B+

    John Lackey (F) - he just failed another season

    Erik Bedard (C-) - mid season acquisition had lukewarm season with the Sox.  Not too bad but not terrific either

    Clay Bucholz (NA) - injury

    Andrew Miller (D+) - He needed more time to be a starter

    Tim Wakefield (D-) - He took too long to reach 200.  another high era season for Timmy

    Alfredo Aceves (C+) - He is a top class in bullpen.  Not in starting rotation though.

     
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    Beckett (B-) good for 2/3 of the season.
    Lester (C-) disappointing season. High pitch count every game.
    Wakefield (D) Pitch what a fill in would done.
    Lackey (F) the worst pitcher in Red Sox history.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : The thing with Buccholz is i seriously dislike his attitude towards coming back. Maybe its just me but he seemed totally indifferent to really pushing to get back, then says how much he doesnt want to come out of the BP. Not what we need right now from him  IMO. 
    Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]

    The guy was coming back from a broken back.  At best, he could have been in the BP - for a team with the starting pitchers were giving up 5 runs a game.
     
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    Beckett: Fat and out of shape.  Not an ace.  Choker.  C
    Lester: Choker.  Not an ace.  C
    Wakefield:  Retire all ready.  Can't field a bunt.  Can't hold runners.  D
    Lackey:  He will be the most hated player in Sox history before he is done.  Not only is he a lousy pitcher, he is a jerk to everyone.  Everybody has personal problems to deal with in life.  That is no excuse for being an a@@@@@@.  F
    Buchholz:  Soft.  No desire to come back and help out.  D
    Miller:  He will be a star in AAA.  A blind man would have more control.  D
    Bedard:  Sissy.  Good stuff sometimes.  C+
    Aceves:  Great additon.  Stupid to throw Vlad a strike down the middle.  A-
    Albers:  Went downhill faster than an Olympic skier.  They person who has went downhill faster is Obama.  D
    Paplebon:  A- only for blowing game last week.
    Bard:  Choked big time in stretch.  B.
     
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    [QUOTE]Nah, Wakefield gets a C.  He was never meant to be a regular in the rotation this year.  Just the fact that he didn't go down with an injury speaks volumes about him. Same with Miller - Besides, if he was an average 5th starter, then he should get a C.  Miller wasn't a starter - he was spot starter.  Did what he was supposed to do against weaker teams.  Lackey gets an F-. You forgot to grade the pitching coach.  D.  It was a tough season for the pitching coach but he didn't get it done.  Had he done C work, the team would have clinched the WC last week. He had all season to work with Lackey and never got it done.  And by the end of the season, Lester and Beckett fell apart.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]

    Definitely agree with you about the pitching coach.  His responsibility is to help the pitching staff and they only got worse as the season progressed. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : Definitely agree with you about the pitching coach.  His responsibility is to help the pitching staff and they only got worse as the season progressed. 
    Posted by susan250[/QUOTE]

    Whats the pitching coach supposed to do? Hold their hands and guide them on the mound? We arent talking about a young group of developing pitchers, these are all seasoned vets and they know what they are supposed to do by now. It comes down to talent level and conditions (mental and physical).
     
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    Great posts all, especially splendidsplinter's. Laughed so hard it almost made it all well. Very disappointed in how Beckett has gagged so much down the stretch, but I give Lester a pass this year because it really has been his only bad one, and except for Sept. it wasn't even that bad. Think Lackey might be able to make the RS Hall of Shame with his performance in 2011, which may be one of the worst in RS history.
     
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    For what it's worth, Wakefield has a lower ERA in Sept than both Lester and BEckett
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : The thing with Buccholz is i seriously dislike his attitude towards coming back. Maybe its just me but he seemed totally indifferent to really pushing to get back, then says how much he doesnt want to come out of the BP. Not what we need right now from him  IMO. 
    Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]

    That's the same BS that far too many spouted last year about Ellsbury...

    First off it's not his decision when and if he comes back, it's the teams. Secondly don't misconstrue his intent, he'd rather be a starter and he's not sure that he'll be able to compete out of the pen without having faced big league hitters if they activate him for the post season...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : That's the same BS that far too many spouted last year about Ellsbury... First off it's not his decision when and if he comes back, it's the teams. Secondly don't misconstrue his intent, he'd rather be a starter and he's not sure that he'll be able to compete out of the pen without having faced big league hitters if they activate him for the post season...
    Posted by Beantowne[/QUOTE]

    Get a grip. How could he possibly make things worse?
     
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    Why start a thread on grading our pitchers at this moment when all of them have been terrible since Sept. 1st? Sounds to me that "Misery likes company" or else the OP likes to preach to the choir.
     
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    [QUOTE]Why start a thread on grading our pitchers at this moment when all of them have been terrible since Sept. 1st? Sounds to me that "Misery likes company" or else the OP likes to preach to the choir.
    Posted by BeaconHill19[/QUOTE]

    Eh, cos theres exactly two games left in the regular season mate. Cant see much changing for most of them!

     
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    Mr. Lackey: zero ... point ... zero.

     
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    grade AAA.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : Eh, cos theres exactly two games left in the regular season mate. Cant see much changing for most of them!
    Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the starting pitching has been terrible all month? It takes a fan to be optimistic that the two remaining games might be different. You sound like you are a betting person instead of a fan.
     
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    Have to BARF when you rate miller average 5th starter .You do mean girls pre -school softball i hope.
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett - (C+) choked when it mattered, not an ace any more Lester - (C-) choked worse when it mattered, this guy is not an ace; period Wakefield - (F) hasnt been a big league putcher for over two years. His quest for 200 wins got him to 167 losses and seriously cost this team Bedard - (C) so so, the guys always hurt Buchholz - (F) non factor due to injury, but his comments make it seem like he wasnt exactly chomping at the bit to come help his team out Lackey - (NG - NO GRADE) pathetic in every sense of the word. horrible pitcher, worse team mate. the guy is a cancer Miller - (D) average 5th starter  
    Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]
     Could not have said it better. (love that dog)
     
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     I feel towards Slackey how the Animal house guys felt about Niedameyer
     
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    OP is started by a "CONCRN TROLL". All of the pitchers have been poor since Sept. 1. NEXT TOPIC??
     
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    In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Grade our starting Pitchers : It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the starting pitching has been terrible all month? It takes a fan to be optimistic that the two remaining games might be different. You sound like you are a betting person instead of a fan.
    Posted by BeaconHill19[/QUOTE]

    Ill be honest i havent a clue what your gripe is. This post is askling fans to grade our starting pitchers on the regular season which ends tomorrow. Maybe you need a higher dose of the meds? 
     
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    They all get F's and Clay gets an I. 

    Beckett went from B to F in his last 2 starts. 
     
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