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    Bmav, I don't think anybody in the "the baseball world" thought he was going to announce his retirement.  He's been working extremely hard to come back for a while now.  He said he feels he's at about 90% right now and he also said when Sox trainer Dan Dyrek flew out to AZ to evaluate him, he was the first specialist who understood his injuries.  It was obviously a big reason why he chose Boston.

    I'm not sure why you think he's going to be in the left field mix unless you think they are trading Nava, which is highly unlikely.  How do you think he's going to play "4 times a week?"  They aren't platooning a kid like JBJ & left & right are not available.  

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    Well I heard somebody on MLB network say exactly that a few hours ago. So there are some. Also, when you are out of baseball for two seasons and a key reason you pick your team is because of the trainer, thats kind of a bad sign for me about the players career. Of course I had read the rumors that Seizemore was working out and the Reds were the favorites to sign him for quite some time. But to deny his career is on the brink is a little redicule worthy.

    Your point seemed to be that he is likely going to start in CF cause he is GRADY! I have serious doubts about his ability to play every day. Let alone even play CF defensively every day. For example, can Seizemore still play CF? Between 2009-2011[27-29 years old] he ranked 37-37-38 out of 43 CF's in defensive WAR, UZR-150, and DRS. He played badly on defense. He will now be turning 32 in August. He has to be at least as fast as back then. Maybe the injuries were slowing him down and now he is healthier and faster. I doubt it though.

    As for 4 times a week, mostly in LF, here is how I see it. It first assumes that Seizemore is healthy and can still hit. Two big assumptions that you are already on board with. Then lets assume everybody else is healthy in Spring. And that JBJ plays up to "MY" and most peoples expectations. JBJ would start in CF. At that time either Nava or Carp would get traded. Seizemore would get either AB's. With Nava, even you agree that would be easy to see Seizemore play 4 times a week. With Carp, he would get Carp's AB's with Nava taking over Carp's defensive role. Seizemore would then mostly play LF, plus back up CF. Seizemore would get Carp's AB's plus Gomes and Napoli would play a touch less[which I expect anyway]. And JBJ would play a little less then Ellsbury. Seizemore would get their AB's aswell. Moving Carp or Nava would open the door for Seizemore's AB's.

     

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    You are reading way too much into this.  I never said that " he chose Boston because of the trainer." It WAS a part of it, but I have no idea why that would bother you.  I also never said that I "expect" anything out of Sizemore.  It's a longshot "win, win" situation for the Sox to sign him.  The money is irrelevant, it gives JBJ some healthy competition, it helps with the female fan base, he can mentor some young players & if everything goes right, they have a solid player for cheap money.  That's it.  

    My whole point is that he isn't here to be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  It's not a fit.  If he is healthy & doesn't win the starting job, he's gone by May 1st, in my opinion.  He's defintely not here to play left field, either.  Even if he gets through spring traing healthy, they aren't going to put all of their eggs in that basket and move Nava.  I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he ends up as a part time outfielder here after May 1st, but I'm certainly not expecting that I will have to.

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    I don't see why he couldn't be an OK fit replacing either Carp or Nava, although I admit there is some danger on relying on him to stay healthy.

    Fair enough though. If he is the starting CF the entire season, I will admit I was wrong too.

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    It's not just a matter of whether or not Sizemore may or may not help the Sox in some capacity. A guy like Sizemore, who was arguably a top 5 player in the game not so long ago, a guy who is only 31 years old and a guy who has a passion for the game that rivals that of Pedroia, hasn't been working this hard to come back to be a "role" player, at least at this point.

    The biggest thing most fans fail to realize is that these guys are human beings, albeit with pretty big egos.  You'll see people post on here all the time that the "Sox should've signed this guy or that guy," when it was never an option, not because the Sox didn't want said player, but because the player had zero interest in coming to Boston.  People often fail to understand this and assume the Sox could've just spent more money, when no, they couldn't have.   

    If Sizemore is fairly healthy this spring and plays okay, yet loses the starting job to JBJ, I have no doubt he will ask for his release, and the Sox would undoubtedly grant it to him out of respect.

     
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    Bmav, I don't think anybody in the "the baseball world" thought he was going to announce his retirement.  He's been working extremely hard to come back for a while now.  He said he feels he's at about 90% right now and he also said when Sox trainer Dan Dyrek flew out to AZ to evaluate him, he was the first specialist who understood his injuries.  It was obviously a big reason why he chose Boston.

    I'm not sure why you think he's going to be in the left field mix unless you think they are trading Nava, which is highly unlikely.  How do you think he's going to play "4 times a week?"  They aren't platooning a kid like JBJ & left & right are not available.  

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    Well I heard somebody on MLB network say exactly that a few hours ago. So there are some. Also, when you are out of baseball for two seasons and a key reason you pick your team is because of the trainer, thats kind of a bad sign for me about the players career. Of course I had read the rumors that Seizemore was working out and the Reds were the favorites to sign him for quite some time. But to deny his career is on the brink is a little redicule worthy.

    Your point seemed to be that he is likely going to start in CF cause he is GRADY! I have serious doubts about his ability to play every day. Let alone even play CF defensively every day. For example, can Seizemore still play CF? Between 2009-2011[27-29 years old] he ranked 37-37-38 out of 43 CF's in defensive WAR, UZR-150, and DRS. He played badly on defense. He will now be turning 32 in August. He has to be at least as fast as back then. Maybe the injuries were slowing him down and now he is healthier and faster. I doubt it though.

    As for 4 times a week, mostly in LF, here is how I see it. It first assumes that Seizemore is healthy and can still hit. Two big assumptions that you are already on board with. Then lets assume everybody else is healthy in Spring. And that JBJ plays up to "MY" and most peoples expectations. JBJ would start in CF. At that time either Nava or Carp would get traded. Seizemore would get either AB's. With Nava, even you agree that would be easy to see Seizemore play 4 times a week. With Carp, he would get Carp's AB's with Nava taking over Carp's defensive role. Seizemore would then mostly play LF, plus back up CF. Seizemore would get Carp's AB's plus Gomes and Napoli would play a touch less[which I expect anyway]. And JBJ would play a little less then Ellsbury. Seizemore would get their AB's aswell. Moving Carp or Nava would open the door for Seizemore's AB's.

     

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    You are reading way too much into this.  I never said that " he chose Boston because of the trainer." It WAS a part of it, but I have no idea why that would bother you.  I also never said that I "expect" anything out of Sizemore.  It's a longshot "win, win" situation for the Sox to sign him.  The money is irrelevant, it gives JBJ some healthy competition, it helps with the female fan base, he can mentor some young players & if everything goes right, they have a solid player for cheap money.  That's it.  

    My whole point is that he isn't here to be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  It's not a fit.  If he is healthy & doesn't win the starting job, he's gone by May 1st, in my opinion.  He's defintely not here to play left field, either.  Even if he gets through spring traing healthy, they aren't going to put all of their eggs in that basket and move Nava.  I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he ends up as a part time outfielder here after May 1st, but I'm certainly not expecting that I will have to.

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    I don't see why he couldn't be an OK fit replacing either Carp or Nava, although I admit there is some danger on relying on him to stay healthy.

    Fair enough though. If he is the starting CF the entire season, I will admit I was wrong too.

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    It's not just a matter of whether or not Sizemore may or may not help the Sox in some capacity. A guy like Sizemore, who was arguably a top 5 player in the game not so long ago, a guy who is only 31 years old and a guy who has a passion for the game that rivals that of Pedroia, hasn't been working this hard to come back to be a "role" player, at least at this point.

    The biggest thing most fans fail to realize is that these guys are human beings, albeit with pretty big egos.  You'll see people post on here all the time that the "Sox should've signed this guy or that guy," when it was never an option, not because the Sox didn't want said player, but because the player had zero interest in coming to Boston.  People often fail to understand this and assume the Sox could've just spent more money, when no, they couldn't have.   

    If Sizemore is fairly healthy this spring and plays okay, yet loses the starting job to JBJ, I have no doubt he will ask for his release, and the Sox would undoubtedly grant it to him out of respect.

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    Are you friends or related to him? Because I don't think you know what he would ask for. BTW, if that was what he wanted he should have had it written into his contract. What we do know is that he wants to restart his career[""second half of my career""], wants to get a good amount of AB's[platooning him in LF would do that] and doesn't care what position he plays. Maybe you missed that quote.

     

    I agree that super stars have big ego's. If this was a year ago, I might have agreed with this point of yours. But 100 games played in 4 years makes even the biggest stars humble. As does 750 thousand dollar guarnatees being the best you can find. Beggers can't be choosers.

     

     
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    Bmav, I don't think anybody in the "the baseball world" thought he was going to announce his retirement.  He's been working extremely hard to come back for a while now.  He said he feels he's at about 90% right now and he also said when Sox trainer Dan Dyrek flew out to AZ to evaluate him, he was the first specialist who understood his injuries.  It was obviously a big reason why he chose Boston.

    I'm not sure why you think he's going to be in the left field mix unless you think they are trading Nava, which is highly unlikely.  How do you think he's going to play "4 times a week?"  They aren't platooning a kid like JBJ & left & right are not available.  

     

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    Well I heard somebody on MLB network say exactly that a few hours ago. So there are some. Also, when you are out of baseball for two seasons and a key reason you pick your team is because of the trainer, thats kind of a bad sign for me about the players career. Of course I had read the rumors that Seizemore was working out and the Reds were the favorites to sign him for quite some time. But to deny his career is on the brink is a little redicule worthy.

    Your point seemed to be that he is likely going to start in CF cause he is GRADY! I have serious doubts about his ability to play every day. Let alone even play CF defensively every day. For example, can Seizemore still play CF? Between 2009-2011[27-29 years old] he ranked 37-37-38 out of 43 CF's in defensive WAR, UZR-150, and DRS. He played badly on defense. He will now be turning 32 in August. He has to be at least as fast as back then. Maybe the injuries were slowing him down and now he is healthier and faster. I doubt it though.

    As for 4 times a week, mostly in LF, here is how I see it. It first assumes that Seizemore is healthy and can still hit. Two big assumptions that you are already on board with. Then lets assume everybody else is healthy in Spring. And that JBJ plays up to "MY" and most peoples expectations. JBJ would start in CF. At that time either Nava or Carp would get traded. Seizemore would get either AB's. With Nava, even you agree that would be easy to see Seizemore play 4 times a week. With Carp, he would get Carp's AB's with Nava taking over Carp's defensive role. Seizemore would then mostly play LF, plus back up CF. Seizemore would get Carp's AB's plus Gomes and Napoli would play a touch less[which I expect anyway]. And JBJ would play a little less then Ellsbury. Seizemore would get their AB's aswell. Moving Carp or Nava would open the door for Seizemore's AB's.

     

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    You are reading way too much into this.  I never said that " he chose Boston because of the trainer." It WAS a part of it, but I have no idea why that would bother you.  I also never said that I "expect" anything out of Sizemore.  It's a longshot "win, win" situation for the Sox to sign him.  The money is irrelevant, it gives JBJ some healthy competition, it helps with the female fan base, he can mentor some young players & if everything goes right, they have a solid player for cheap money.  That's it.  

    My whole point is that he isn't here to be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  It's not a fit.  If he is healthy & doesn't win the starting job, he's gone by May 1st, in my opinion.  He's defintely not here to play left field, either.  Even if he gets through spring traing healthy, they aren't going to put all of their eggs in that basket and move Nava.  I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he ends up as a part time outfielder here after May 1st, but I'm certainly not expecting that I will have to.

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    I don't see why he couldn't be an OK fit replacing either Carp or Nava, although I admit there is some danger on relying on him to stay healthy.

    Fair enough though. If he is the starting CF the entire season, I will admit I was wrong too.

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    Could have been a good player but injuries curtailed his career. Why does everyone think because he is coming to Red Sox he is going to be great. He is another ballplayer who does not know when to hang up his cleats. What amazes me is we throw money at the guy who has been out of baseball two years. Does anyone realize the guys timing is going to be way off because of his time away from the game.

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    I know you're always the "Debbie Downer" type, but a couple of points...I have yet to see a single post where someone insinuated Sizemore was "going to be great," the money the Sox "threw at him" is the equivalent of the average median income person buying a $2 powerball ticket, in other words, irrelevant, and lastly, saying a "31" year old player, who was once one of the best in the game, "doesn't know when to hang them up" is borderline ridiculous.  You also mention that his "timing is going to be way off."  Obviously getting your timing back is what spring training is for, but for the elite "talents," it's a lot easier, regardless of the layoff.

    Again, I'm not "expecting" anything out of him, but to whine about a $750,000 signing that is going to be at worst, having a guy around this spring who will be a great example of how the game should be played for the younger players is a little crazy to me.

     
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    Bmav, I don't think anybody in the "the baseball world" thought he was going to announce his retirement.  He's been working extremely hard to come back for a while now.  He said he feels he's at about 90% right now and he also said when Sox trainer Dan Dyrek flew out to AZ to evaluate him, he was the first specialist who understood his injuries.  It was obviously a big reason why he chose Boston.

    I'm not sure why you think he's going to be in the left field mix unless you think they are trading Nava, which is highly unlikely.  How do you think he's going to play "4 times a week?"  They aren't platooning a kid like JBJ & left & right are not available.  

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    Well I heard somebody on MLB network say exactly that a few hours ago. So there are some. Also, when you are out of baseball for two seasons and a key reason you pick your team is because of the trainer, thats kind of a bad sign for me about the players career. Of course I had read the rumors that Seizemore was working out and the Reds were the favorites to sign him for quite some time. But to deny his career is on the brink is a little redicule worthy.

    Your point seemed to be that he is likely going to start in CF cause he is GRADY! I have serious doubts about his ability to play every day. Let alone even play CF defensively every day. For example, can Seizemore still play CF? Between 2009-2011[27-29 years old] he ranked 37-37-38 out of 43 CF's in defensive WAR, UZR-150, and DRS. He played badly on defense. He will now be turning 32 in August. He has to be at least as fast as back then. Maybe the injuries were slowing him down and now he is healthier and faster. I doubt it though.

    As for 4 times a week, mostly in LF, here is how I see it. It first assumes that Seizemore is healthy and can still hit. Two big assumptions that you are already on board with. Then lets assume everybody else is healthy in Spring. And that JBJ plays up to "MY" and most peoples expectations. JBJ would start in CF. At that time either Nava or Carp would get traded. Seizemore would get either AB's. With Nava, even you agree that would be easy to see Seizemore play 4 times a week. With Carp, he would get Carp's AB's with Nava taking over Carp's defensive role. Seizemore would then mostly play LF, plus back up CF. Seizemore would get Carp's AB's plus Gomes and Napoli would play a touch less[which I expect anyway]. And JBJ would play a little less then Ellsbury. Seizemore would get their AB's aswell. Moving Carp or Nava would open the door for Seizemore's AB's.

     

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    You are reading way too much into this.  I never said that " he chose Boston because of the trainer." It WAS a part of it, but I have no idea why that would bother you.  I also never said that I "expect" anything out of Sizemore.  It's a longshot "win, win" situation for the Sox to sign him.  The money is irrelevant, it gives JBJ some healthy competition, it helps with the female fan base, he can mentor some young players & if everything goes right, they have a solid player for cheap money.  That's it.  

    My whole point is that he isn't here to be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  It's not a fit.  If he is healthy & doesn't win the starting job, he's gone by May 1st, in my opinion.  He's defintely not here to play left field, either.  Even if he gets through spring traing healthy, they aren't going to put all of their eggs in that basket and move Nava.  I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he ends up as a part time outfielder here after May 1st, but I'm certainly not expecting that I will have to.

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    I don't see why he couldn't be an OK fit replacing either Carp or Nava, although I admit there is some danger on relying on him to stay healthy.

    Fair enough though. If he is the starting CF the entire season, I will admit I was wrong too.

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    It's not just a matter of whether or not Sizemore may or may not help the Sox in some capacity. A guy like Sizemore, who was arguably a top 5 player in the game not so long ago, a guy who is only 31 years old and a guy who has a passion for the game that rivals that of Pedroia, hasn't been working this hard to come back to be a "role" player, at least at this point.

    The biggest thing most fans fail to realize is that these guys are human beings, albeit with pretty big egos.  You'll see people post on here all the time that the "Sox should've signed this guy or that guy," when it was never an option, not because the Sox didn't want said player, but because the player had zero interest in coming to Boston.  People often fail to understand this and assume the Sox could've just spent more money, when no, they couldn't have.   

    If Sizemore is fairly healthy this spring and plays okay, yet loses the starting job to JBJ, I have no doubt he will ask for his release, and the Sox would undoubtedly grant it to him out of respect.

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    Are you friends or related to him? Because I don't think you know what he would ask for. BTW, if that was what he wanted he should have had it written into his contract. What we do know is that he wants to restart his career[""second half of my career""], wants to get a good amount of AB's[platooning him in LF would do that] and doesn't care what position he plays. Maybe you missed that quote.

     

    I agree that super stars have big ego's. If this was a year ago, I might have agreed with this point of yours. But 100 games played in 4 years makes even the biggest stars humble. As does 750 thousand dollar guarnatees being the best you can find. Beggers can't be choosers.

     

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    Whether or not I know him is inconsequential.  By the way, I believe he will have an out clause in his contract, or at least a gentleman's agreement that if he doesn't win the starting job in center, he will be granted his release.  He's not playing left field.  Nava isn't going anywhere, as he is inexpensive & very productive.  I'm not sure why you think this is an option.  I know what Sizemore has said, but don't mistake his words for that of a guy who is just trying to "hang on anywhere." I'll agree to disagree and if Grady Sizemore doesn't get re-injured, doesn't win the starting job in center and is still here May 1st, I'll end every future post with Bmav & Hugh are baseball geniuses for a year. You guys are both good posters, so I really have nothing to lose, but I think you guys are way off on this one.  

     
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    Whether or not I know him is inconsequential.  By the way, I believe he will have an out clause in his contract, or at least a gentleman's agreement that if he doesn't win the starting job in center, he will be granted his release.  He's not playing left field.  Nava isn't going anywhere, as he is inexpensive & very productive.  I'm not sure why you think this is an option.  I know what Sizemore has said, but don't mistake his words for that of a guy who is just trying to "hang on anywhere." I'll agree to disagree and if Grady Sizemore doesn't get re-injured, doesn't win the starting job in center and is still here May 1st, I'll end every future post with Bmav & Hugh are baseball geniuses for a year. You guys are both good posters, so I really have nothing to lose, but I think you guys are way off on this one.  

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    The Red Sox have admitted they have listened to trade offers for both Nava and Carp and are open to trading Carp still according to reporters. So yes I can see a trade for either of these players. Also they are more similar to each other then they are similar to Sizemore, so it might make sense to trade one of them and keep Sizemore.

    Sizemore said he would play LF. Is he a liar?

    I don't see playing a platoonish LF and backup CF in a hitters park, getting 450 AB's on an offensive team, on the big stage on TV, for a winner, possibly making 5-6 million, while playing for a manager you like and a trainer you like is hanging on anywhere. Its a great situation for a player in his position to rebuild his career. He should be thankful. But if he insists on "starting in CF", I hope they dump his breaking down behind on the street. Or better yet send him back to the minors.

    Thankfully I think he is a team player with a great attitude so I have no concerns about him in a part time role in LF.

     
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    The Red Sox have admitted they have listened to trade offers for both Nava and Carp and are open to trading Carp still according to reporters. So yes I can see a trade for either of these players. Also they are more similar to each other then they are similar to Sizemore, so it might make sense to trade one of them and keep Sizemore.

    Sizemore said he would play LF. Is he a liar?

    I don't see playing a platoonish LF and backup CF in a hitters park, getting 450 AB's on an offensive team, on the big stage on TV, for a winner, possibly making 5-6 million, while playing for a manager you like and a trainer you like is hanging on anywhere. Its a great situation for a player in his position to rebuild his career. He should be thankful. But if he insists on "starting in CF", I hope they dump his breaking down behind on the street. Or better yet send him back to the minors.

    Thankfully I think he is a team player with a great attitude so I have no concerns about him in a part time role in LF.

     

    I do think we may trade Carp. I thought that even before the Sizemore signing.

    1) Trade high.

    2) Nava, Middy, Papi and maybe even Lava could play 1B if Naps gets hurt or needs a breather.

    3) Who else can we trade to make room for a legitimate back-up CF'er who can play plus defense- a must in Fenway.

     

    As for the similarities between Carp and Nava, I see one glaring difference with the career lefty-righty splits:

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    Nava    .833        .634

    Carp     .779        .792

     

     
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    Whether or not I know him is inconsequential.  By the way, I believe he will have an out clause in his contract, or at least a gentleman's agreement that if he doesn't win the starting job in center, he will be granted his release.  He's not playing left field.  Nava isn't going anywhere, as he is inexpensive & very productive.  I'm not sure why you think this is an option.  I know what Sizemore has said, but don't mistake his words for that of a guy who is just trying to "hang on anywhere." I'll agree to disagree and if Grady Sizemore doesn't get re-injured, doesn't win the starting job in center and is still here May 1st, I'll end every future post with Bmav & Hugh are baseball geniuses for a year. You guys are both good posters, so I really have nothing to lose, but I think you guys are way off on this one.  

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    The Red Sox have admitted they have listened to trade offers for both Nava and Carp and are open to trading Carp still according to reporters. So yes I can see a trade for either of these players. Also they are more similar to each other then they are similar to Sizemore, so it might make sense to trade one of them and keep Sizemore.

    Sizemore said he would play LF. Is he a liar?

    I don't see playing a platoonish LF and backup CF in a hitters park, getting 450 AB's on an offensive team, on the big stage on TV, for a winner, possibly making 5-6 million, while playing for a manager you like and a trainer you like is hanging on anywhere. Its a great situation for a player in his position to rebuild his career. He should be thankful. But if he insists on "starting in CF", I hope they dump his breaking down behind on the street. Or better yet send him back to the minors.

    Thankfully I think he is a team player with a great attitude so I have no concerns about him in a part time role in LF.

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    Again, agree to disagree on all of this.  I certainly wasn't insinuating Sizemore was a selfish player who will only play centerfield, but I don't see him being in the mix at all for left, regardless if he gave the textbook initial interview after a deal was agreed upon.  We'll see...  

     
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    The Red Sox have admitted they have listened to trade offers for both Nava and Carp and are open to trading Carp still according to reporters. So yes I can see a trade for either of these players. Also they are more similar to each other then they are similar to Sizemore, so it might make sense to trade one of them and keep Sizemore.

    Sizemore said he would play LF. Is he a liar?

    I don't see playing a platoonish LF and backup CF in a hitters park, getting 450 AB's on an offensive team, on the big stage on TV, for a winner, possibly making 5-6 million, while playing for a manager you like and a trainer you like is hanging on anywhere. Its a great situation for a player in his position to rebuild his career. He should be thankful. But if he insists on "starting in CF", I hope they dump his breaking down behind on the street. Or better yet send him back to the minors.

    Thankfully I think he is a team player with a great attitude so I have no concerns about him in a part time role in LF.

     

    I do think we may trade Carp. I thought that even before the Sizemore signing.

    1) Trade high.

    2) Nava, Middy, Papi and maybe even Lava could play 1B if Naps gets hurt or needs a breather.

    3) Who else can we trade to make room for a legitimate back-up CF'er who can play plus defense- a must in Fenway.

     

    As for the similarities between Carp and Nava, I see one glaring difference with the career lefty-righty splits:

               vs RHP   vs LHP

    Nava    .833        .634

    Carp     .779        .792

     



    Moon, the Sox aren't going to sign a "backup centerfielder who can play defense."  It's a waste of a roster spot.  Shane Victorino is your backup centerfielder and Daniel Nava is your backup right fielder if someone gets hurt.  If Bradley proves not to be ready and Sizemore doesn't win the job in center, then they will look outside the organization at that point in time.  Farrell said today that he would be okay if the Sox had to play Victorino in center & Nava in right for a stretch.  Besides, what value does a " backup centerfielder who can play defense" have when you have two guys on the roster who can play an above average center in Victorino & Bradley or possibly Sizemore & Victorino?

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    I do think we may trade Carp. I thought that even before the Sizemore signing.

    1) Trade high.

    2) Nava, Middy, Papi and maybe even Lava could play 1B if Naps gets hurt or needs a breather.

    3) Who else can we trade to make room for a legitimate back-up CF'er who can play plus defense- a must in Fenway.

     

    As for the similarities between Carp and Nava, I see one glaring difference with the career lefty-righty splits:

               vs RHP   vs LHP

    Nava    .833        .634

    Carp     .779        .792

     

     



    Moon, the Sox aren't going to sign a "backup centerfielder who can play defense."  It's a waste of a roster spot.  

    We just did.

    Shane Victorino is your backup centerfielder and Daniel Nava is your backup right fielder if someone gets hurt.

    Nava is a horrible fielding RF'er. Shane is much better in RF than CF. Making Gomes a FT LF'er, if JBJ gets hurt or is sent to AAA is a big mistake.

    IIf Bradley proves not to be ready and Sizemore doesn't win the job in center, then they will look outside the organization at that point in time.  

    Grady is JBJ's back-up and insurance. He will be the LF defensive replacement and could possibly work his way to a more meaningful role or force a trade of himself or someone else.

    Farrell said today that he would be okay if the Sox had to play Victorino in center & Nava in right for a stretch.  Besides, what value does a " backup centerfielder who can play defense" have when you have two guys on the roster who can play an above average center in Victorino & Bradley or possibly Sizemore & Victorino?

    How about noticing the huge huge huge defensive drop off from the best defensive RF'er in Shane to one of the league's worst in Nava, plus the drop off from Nava to Gomes in LF?

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I do think we may trade Carp. I thought that even before the Sizemore signing.

    1) Trade high.

    2) Nava, Middy, Papi and maybe even Lava could play 1B if Naps gets hurt or needs a breather.

    3) Who else can we trade to make room for a legitimate back-up CF'er who can play plus defense- a must in Fenway.

     

    As for the similarities between Carp and Nava, I see one glaring difference with the career lefty-righty splits:

               vs RHP   vs LHP

    Nava    .833        .634

    Carp     .779        .792

     

     



    Moon, the Sox aren't going to sign a "backup centerfielder who can play defense."  It's a waste of a roster spot.  

    We just did. 

    That's actually funny.  You really think they signed Sizemore to be a backup defensive centerfielder?!  Wow...

     

    Shane Victorino is your backup centerfielder and Daniel Nava is your backup right fielder if someone gets hurt.

    Nava is a horrible fielding RF'er. Shane is much better in RF than CF. Making Gomes a FT LF'er, if JBJ gets hurt or is sent to AAA is a big mistake. 

     

    Meanwhile, back In the real world, the Sox have a 25 man roster to work with, although I'm sure they would love to have 8 gold glove defenders on the bench "just in case."  ZERO chance they carry a "backup defensive centerfielder."  ZERO.

     

    IIf Bradley proves not to be ready and Sizemore doesn't win the job in center, then they will look outside the organization at that point in time.  

    Grady is JBJ's back-up and insurance.  He will be the LF defensive replacement and could possibly work his way to a more meaningful role or force a trade of himself or someone else.

     

    Not even close...He's not JBJ's backup, he's not playing left and he's NEVER going to be a defensive replacement in left. Never...

     

    Farrell said today that he would be okay if the Sox had to play Victorino in center & Nava in right for a stretch.  Besides, what value does a " backup centerfielder who can play defense" have when you have two guys on the roster who can play an above average center in Victorino & Bradley or possibly Sizemore & Victorino?

    How about noticing the huge huge huge defensive drop off from the best defensive RF'er in Shane to one of the league's worst in Nava, plus the drop off from Nava to Gomes in LF?

     

    How about reading the post where it said he would be okay if they had to go with Victorino & Nava for a "stretch."  The Sox aren't picking up a defensive 4th or 5th outfielder who can play center, barring injury.  This is a fact.  The "contigency plan" is Victorino in center & Nava in right until they are able to make a move.  Sizemore & JBJ aren't both breaking camp on the 25 man roster.  




     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    In response to tvfrank's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    You're right,Roy.  It is just a business.  It's just hard for me to swallow.

    It's not the players per se, for me it's the difficulty of seeing a family unable to afford a game at the ballpark when posters talk of millions like they're M&M's.  It's just totally out of whack.

     

    When you compare what Grady will make vs what the minimum wage is for someone else, the difference is not "millions" unless he does well enough to deserve it.

    I know a million dollars is a lot, but relatively speaking, it is not.

     




     

    I hear what you're saying Moon.  And actually, the disparity between the minimum wage players and the high dollar ones is tremendous.

    I think the home-grown, minimum wage route is the direction the Sox are going.  This, with some high dollar players thrown in seems to be their formula.  Ellsbury was a prime example.  They utilized his skills at low cost up to his prime and then, cost effectively, let him go on his way.  Actually, business-wise, it was without a doubt the correct thing to do.

    With this is mind, it'll be extremely interesting to see what happens.

    It just makes me sad, yet grateful, that the wife and I fly around the country watching them play when an average family of four has trouble affording to see a ball game.  This is primarily my biggest concern because I feel that inflationary salaries are one of the causes.

     

     

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    You're not only an arrogant bore, you're also a disgusting elitist. "it just makes me sad...." You are so FOS, it's coming out your ears. I take back what i said earlier; you're not as bad as Bill and Redsox67, you're much worse. Take your BS concern and put it where the sun don't shine, amphole.

     

     

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    How does it feel to go through life with all your insecurities?  You are truly a loser.

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    And you are truly a disgusting, arrogant, elitist bore. I'm sure others who have read your self-absorbing posts feel the same way. 

    One last thing and I'll never bother you again. I'm watching AMERICAN HORROR STORY as i post this and i realize that it's people like you who are the true AMERICAN HORRORS.

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    No bother at all.  As a matter of fact, you amuse me.

    Not everyone can be in the parade.  Losers like you applaud, sip on their soda, eat candy and stare gawk-eyed as 'elitists' like me and others on this board march on by.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    In response to jasko2248's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

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    I do think we may trade Carp. I thought that even before the Sizemore signing.

    1) Trade high.

    2) Nava, Middy, Papi and maybe even Lava could play 1B if Naps gets hurt or needs a breather.

    3) Who else can we trade to make room for a legitimate back-up CF'er who can play plus defense- a must in Fenway.

     

    As for the similarities between Carp and Nava, I see one glaring difference with the career lefty-righty splits:

               vs RHP   vs LHP

    Nava    .833        .634

    Carp     .779        .792

     

     



    Moon, the Sox aren't going to sign a "backup centerfielder who can play defense."  It's a waste of a roster spot.  

    We just did. 

    That's actually funny.  You really think they signed Sizemore to be a backup defensive centerfielder?!  Wow...

     No, I said we needed a back-up CF'er and insurance policy for JBj that could play plus defense. Grady is not going to be back-up defensive CF'er. He may be a late inning LF defensive replacement or win a position if he does very well.

     

    Shane Victorino is your backup centerfielder and Daniel Nava is your backup right fielder if someone gets hurt.

    Nava is a horrible fielding RF'er. Shane is much better in RF than CF. Making Gomes a FT LF'er, if JBJ gets hurt or is sent to AAA is a big mistake. 

    Meanwhile, back In the real world, the Sox have a 25 man roster to work with, although I'm sure they would love to have 8 gold glove defenders on the bench "just in case."  ZERO chance they carry a "backup defensive centerfielder."  ZERO.

     Again, you missed my point. If Grady makes the team, my guess is carp will be traded. nava will be the back-up 1Bman, and Sizemore will be the 5th OF'er who can play late inning LF defense, and be JBJ's insurance policy. He will not be JBJ's defensive back-up. He will be a back-up that plays plus defense.

     

    IIf Bradley proves not to be ready and Sizemore doesn't win the job in center, then they will look outside the organization at that point in time.  

    Grady is JBJ's back-up and insurance.  He will be the LF defensive replacement and could possibly work his way to a more meaningful role or force a trade of himself or someone else.

     Not even close...He's not JBJ's backup, he's not playing left and he's NEVER going to be a defensive replacement in left. Never...

     So, we basically just wasted $750K for a guy we know will never play for us. Talk about "back in the real world". He's obviously a gamble that could possibly play CF, if JBj gets hurt or struggles mightily. Since Nava and Gomes are both minus defensive players, Grady could play late inning defense in tight games or fields that have large LFs. Victorino has also looked a bit fragile, so he could play RF better defensively than Nava, Gomes, or Carp.

     

    Farrell said today that he would be okay if the Sox had to play Victorino in center & Nava in right for a stretch.  Besides, what value does a " backup centerfielder who can play defense" have when you have two guys on the roster who can play an above average center in Victorino & Bradley or possibly Sizemore & Victorino?

    How about noticing the huge huge huge defensive drop off from the best defensive RF'er in Shane to one of the league's worst in Nava, plus the drop off from Nava to Gomes in LF?

     

    How about reading the post where it said he would be okay if they had to go with Victorino & Nava for a "stretch."  

    I did read it and understand it. Of course we can go a stretch with Nava in RF. We did it last year, but that does not mean it will be the best option available this year. If Sizemore does not cut the mustard, that is whatwill likely happen, at least until we go out and get a guy like a Podsednik from years ago.

     

     

    The Sox aren't picking up a defensive 4th or 5th outfielder who can play center, barring injury.  This is a fact.  The "contigency plan" is Victorino in center & Nava in right until they are able to make a move.  Sizemore & JBJ aren't both breaking camp on the 25 man roster.  

    If Carp is traded, it could happen. If Nava is traded, it could happen. If nay OF'er is hurt, it could happen. If Napoli or Papi are hurt and Carp, Nava or Gomes (DH) fill thier slots, it could happen.

    I've never said Grady is a sure bet 25 man roster signing. Never. 

    He has a lot to prove, before he's even considered for a slot.




     

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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    Like everyone has been saying on MLB network, good low cost signing and maybe he's the best bargain out there right now. 33 days and we'll see how he looks.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

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    Like everyone has been saying on MLB network, good low cost signing and maybe he's the best bargain out there right now. 33 days and we'll see how he looks.

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    It may take longer. He will probably need a lot of time to regain, if ever, his form. He may have an extended ST or agree to a "rehab assignment" and try to prove himself worthy by May or June, but we should have a clearer understanding where he is by the end of ST.

    The fact is, he is a good gamble. When you subtract what a minimum wage guy would get from $750K, the amount "gambled" is chump change in the baseball world.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to sportsbozo1's comment:
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    Like everyone has been saying on MLB network, good low cost signing and maybe he's the best bargain out there right now. 33 days and we'll see how he looks.

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    It may take longer. He will probably need a lot of time to regain, if ever, his form. He may have an extended ST or agree to a "rehab assignment" and try to prove himself worthy by May or June, but we should have a clearer understanding where he is by the end of ST.

    The fact is, he is a good gamble. When you subtract what a minimum wage guy would get from $750K, the amount "gambled" is chump change in the baseball world.

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    I don't know. I don't think they are going to rush him but since they haven't said it isn't, Opening Day is a reasonable time frame.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

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    Ben is going to"play it by ear" and see how Sizemore looks in ST. None of us are anymore knowledgeable that the organization is at this moment.  It is a low risk situation and will permit trading away a surplus OF in the event that Sizemore blossoms back to half of what he used to be.  We don't even know if the FO gave him a physical.  The move has nothing at all to do with their confidence with Bradley, those who think that it did are merely speculating and jumping to conclusions. Nothing wrong with fortifying their bench.

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    Sorry Pike, but when you already have to many OFers and you sign one redundant to your CFer, it means you don't trust him.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    Sorry Pike, but when you already have to many OFers and you sign one redundant to your CFer, it means you don't trust him.

    We have ...

    LF: Nava/Gomes (Carp)

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Victorino (Nava)

    We have nobody on the farm, unless you really think Hassan or Brentz are ML ready.

    That's not "too many" OF'ers, especially when you notice that only 2 of the 5 OF'ers are plus defensively.

    Yes, it might have a little to do with distrusting JBJ, but it could also be just injury insurance or a sign that Ben and John are reluctant to severely limit our OF defense by having to move Shane to CF, Nava to RF and use Gomes & Carp in LF for any extended period of time, such as an injury to JBJ.

    Grady could also be used as a late inning defensive replacement in LF, especially in parks with large LFs. JBJ might not project too well at 162 games and 650 PAs, so giving him a breather here and there could also be a way to use Grady. And, finally with Shane's apparent fragility in RF, a guy like Grady could represent a nice insurance policy, even if he only returns to 60-70% of what he was from 2005-2008.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    The guy really hasn't played in 4 years.

    Take the deal at face value.  The Sox picked him up for OF depth or maybe they catch lightning in a bottle and he ends up being productive and playing in 130 games.

    On the other hand, there's a good chance he never makes it to Boston - he may find out in spring training he is all done.

    It's not necessarily a commentary on JBJ.

     

     

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    I just wish he had a different first name.  Every time I see someone start a sentence with "Grady" I start having flashbacks.  Frown. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

     

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Sorry Pike, but when you already have to many OFers and you sign one redundant to your CFer, it means you don't trust him.

    We have ...

    LF: Nava/Gomes (Carp)

    CF: JBJ

    RF: Victorino (Nava)

    We have nobody on the farm, unless you really think Hassan or Brentz are ML ready.

    That's not "too many" OF'ers, especially when you notice that only 2 of the 5 OF'ers are plus defensively.

    Yes, it might have a little to do with distrusting JBJ, but it could also be just injury insurance or a sign that Ben and John are reluctant to severely limit our OF defense by having to move Shane to CF, Nava to RF and use Gomes & Carp in LF for any extended period of time, such as an injury to JBJ.

    Grady could also be used as a late inning defensive replacement in LF, especially in parks with large LFs. JBJ might not project too well at 162 games and 650 PAs, so giving him a breather here and there could also be a way to use Grady. And, finally with Shane's apparent fragility in RF, a guy like Grady could represent a nice insurance policy, even if he only returns to 60-70% of what he was from 2005-2008.

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    They have said all off season that they were unsure that JBJ would be the next CFer. If Sizemore was a righty he would fit perfectly as a compliment to JBJ but he isn't. This deal just shows you that they want JBJ to earn his way on the team after last years lack of performance.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    They have said all off season that they were unsure that JBJ would be the next CFer.

    Who is "they" and provide the several example links.

    If Sizemore was a righty he would fit perfectly as a compliment to JBJ but he isn't. This deal just shows you that they want JBJ to earn his way on the team after last years lack of performance.

     

    I really do not think that is a reason for the signing... maybe a minor reason, but noit even close to the major reasons, which to me are:

    1) Injury insurance to JBJ, Shane, Nava, Gomes, and even indirectly to Napoli or Papi as Nava, Gomes, and Carp would fill their shoes leaving a gap in LF to be filled.

    2) Defensive late inning replacement for LF.

    3) Possible "lightening in a bottle" chance that he regains even 80% of his 2005-2008 form.

     

    I do not think JBJ is scared of Grady stealing his job.

     

    As to the "after last year's lack of performance" statement, I am fairly certain Sox management is not worried about a 107 PA sample size that was spread out over 4 ML stints. His whole body of work from college to AAA indicates this kid can hit well enough to be a FT ML CF'er. His defense may make up for any shortcomings on offense.

    Sure, he may never hit ML pitching. There is always that chance, even with the greatest prospects in history, but I seriously doubt a 107 PA sample size is scaring anyone, except a few posters here.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

    If the oft injured Sizemore, who hasn't played in 2 seasons, is injury insurance, the Red Sox FO better find a better agent.

     
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    Re: Grady Sizemore signs 1 year major league deal with Sox

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    If the oft injured Sizemore, who hasn't played in 2 seasons, is injury insurance, the Red Sox FO better find a better agent.

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    He's not the only OF insurance we have. We still have Gomes, Carp, and maybe Hassan, and Brentz.

     
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