THIS is a great piece on aceves. seems like a total free spirit. a great clubhouse guy. we better give him a 3 year deal. he's a great all purpose pitcher. aceves could be an accoplished musician in the mode of a bernie williams. cant believe the yanks let him go.
GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
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GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 9:38 PM EDT
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/06/14/red_sox_alfredo_aceves_applies_himself_to_job/ -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 10:15 PM EDT
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a nice read
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 10:48 PM EDT
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I hope his fate with the Sox is kinder.
Lee/Arroyo tenure didn't end well. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 10:52 PM EDT
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Wastefield has dibs on the role perfectly suited for Aceves. Wastefield was sharp as tack, walking 5 people with a wild pitch against a lethal Tampa offense. No doubt he'll joing Tek in next years geriatrics roster spot, sponsored by Geritol. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 10:55 PM EDT
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7 frames 4 hits 1 ER
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 10:59 PM EDT
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5 Walks and a wild pitch and a big loss. Suck it up and get some lapband surgery, Shields embarrassed you, and the Tampa offense is one of the worst in baseball.
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:04 PM EDT
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What big loss? You don't win if you don't score. Shields embarrassed nobody.
He came into the game with a 2.85 ERA.
Wake gave his team every chance to win.
God forbid you should ever give someone you despise any credit. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:11 PM EDT
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Wake since re-joining the SR: 32 IP 25 H 13 ER 3.65 ERA
Wanna compare this to the other 5 starters' last 5 outings?
I didn't think so.
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:12 PM EDT
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You claimed it was all about wins. He was waxed! 5 walks and a wild pitch was smoke and mirrors. Wastefield is on fumes, even though he's pampered like Lowrie with a lot of down time. Everytime Wastefield pitches, that's time away from young profiles who can develop valuable experience. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:20 PM EDT
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You don't win games with 0 runs scored.
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:26 PM EDT
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You win games by holding a team scoreless and not blinking first. Wastefield blinked a lot. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/14/2011 11:54 PM EDT
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How many shutouts have RedSox pitchers hurled this year? -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:01 AM EDT
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How many games have the Red Sox won when the pitcher walked 5 hitters and threw a wild pitch? -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:18 AM EDT
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He could have walked 10. Who cares? What matters is how many runs were allowed. Just what are your expectations for a spot starter? How many spot starters hurl shutouts?
How often did you whine when Dice walked 5? What it comes down to is how they work out of jams.
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:37 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!:You claimed it was all about wins. He was waxed! 5 walks and a wild pitch was smoke and mirrors. Wastefield is on fumes, even though he's pampered like Lowrie with a lot of down time. Everytime Wastefield pitches, that's time away from young profiles who can develop valuable experience.dude u come across as a bitter hater! wake is very valuable. he can pitch til 60 if he keeps performing as he has! what the heck do we care. as it stands now, andrew miller will likely come and get a shot in the rotation at wake's expense. if he performs, y not? u still keep wake in the bullpen or you dl him as miller auditions. miller is throwing it at 97 with better control of his breaking stuff.
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Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:44 AM EDT
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The current plan is to keep Wake in the rotation.
Sooner or later, someone will pitch himself out of the SR.
That's how it should be. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 1:44 AM EDT
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I hope Wastefield pitches until he's 60, for the girls' softball league. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 1:46 AM EDT
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2 runs allowed, only because the missles were hit to the track and at people. Tampa exuded confidence when they saw Wastefield, which is the same for any MLB team. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 8:06 AM EDT
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In Response to GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!:http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2011/06/14/red_sox_alfredo_aceves_applies_himself_to_job/ THIS is a great piece on aceves. seems like a total free spirit. a great clubhouse guy. we better give him a 3 year deal. he's a great all purpose pitcher. aceves could be an accoplished musician in the mode of a bernie williams. cant believe the yanks let him go.
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I like Aceves, the guy has helped solidify our pen and done pretty well as a whole. Jenks and Wheeler may not have been the best moves we ever made but that remains to be seen. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 8:50 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!:You claimed it was all about wins. He was waxed! 5 walks and a wild pitch was smoke and mirrors. Wastefield is on fumes, even though he's pampered like Lowrie with a lot of down time. Everytime Wastefield pitches, that's time away from young profiles who can develop valuable experience.
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no shot at ellsbury? -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 11:24 AM EDT
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Harness said: "Wake since re-joining the SR: 32 IP 25 H 13 ER 3.65 ERA
Wanna compare this to the other 5 starters' last 5 outings?
I didn't think so.
Don't cancel UR plans for UR June lobotomy."Er, Harness, clearly that procedure was scheduled and performed long, long ago. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:18 PM EDT
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More like Dennis Lamp c1988-89, than Bill Lee.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/profile.asp?P=Dennis-Lamp -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 12:49 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!:I hope his fate with the Sox is kinder. Lee/Arroyo tenure didn't end well.
Posted by harness? Arroyo didn't end badly. they just dealt him in a bad deal. But it wasn't like there was hard feelings or any of the darkness that surrounded Lee's exit. -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 2:55 PM EDT
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? Arroyo didn't end badly. they just dealt him in a bad deal. But it wasn't like there was hard feelings or any of the darkness that surrounded Lee's exit.
you might want to ask bronson about that -
Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!
posted at 6/15/2011 2:59 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: GREAT ACEVES STORY: HE'S THE NEXT BILL LEE, ARROYO+TAVARES!:? Arroyo didn't end badly. they just dealt him in a bad deal. But it wasn't like there was hard feelings or any of the darkness that surrounded Lee's exit. you might want to ask bronson about that
Posted by pinstripezac32
He has been asked Zac. he said at the time he knew when he gave the hometown discount to stay in Boston, there was a chance he could be traded. He said he asked epstein directly if he had plans to trade him before he signed, theo said not at the time but was honest that it was a possiblity. He said he took the chance to stay where he wanted to be, understood it's a business, had no hard feelings and was happy to be still pitching in the majors. Arroyo still performs every year in theo epsteins concert charity to be named later.