Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    Sox management is placing all their chips in their existing starting core plus Dempster...if these guys fail that will represent the fall of the 2013 Red Sox...not Napoli, Victorino, Drew, Gomes or Ross.

    Regarding the bullpen, the talent is there, but they still have to perform and when it comes to relief pitchers it's a crap shoot most of the time...although, this group does look good on paper.

     
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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    Sox management is placing all their chips in their existing starting core plus Dempster...if these guys fail that will represent the fall of the 2013 Red Sox...not Napoli, Victorino, Drew, Gomes or Ross.

    Regarding the bullpen, the talent is there, but they still have to perform and when it comes to relief pitchers it's a crap shoot most of the time...although, this group does look good on paper.

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    I agree. I don't mean this to be a critical post. I was pushing for better starting pitching this offseason. Maybe it will still come. I like you believe that Ben is going all in with the same crew as last year for the most part and hoping Lackey holds form as he was with the Angels. He may just go with this crew till trade deadline mid year hoping to improve then.

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    I expect none of our SPs to give up 5-6 runs.

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    I expect none of our SPs to give up 5-6 runs.

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    what?

     
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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    I expect none of our SPs to give up 5-6 runs.

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    what?

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    The OP asked about our starters consistently giving up 5-6 runs, and I said they wouldn't.  What part of that complicated exchange did you not understand?

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

    The bullpen looks good on paper. To be successful , it needs the starters to do their job.  Repeated bad outings from the starters cause the pen to be overworked and wear down as the season progresses. We need the starters to not just " give us innings " , but to give us quality innings and hand over a lead to the pen. An occasional complete game would certainly not hurt.

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    The bullpen looks good on paper. To be successful , it needs the starters to do their job.  Repeated bad outings from the starters cause the pen to be overworked and wear down as the season progresses. We need the starters to not just " give us innings " , but to give us quality innings and hand over a lead to the pen. An occasional complete game would certainly not hurt.

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    This is true. To add to that, if the starters are not doing their jobs, not only does the pen get overworked, but they also get used in innings and/or situations where they are not going to be the most effective.  No matter how good a bullpen is, the starters still have to do their jobs or the relievers won't be effective in theirs.

    That said, I think the starting staff has a good chance of being a very good rotation.

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Breidy was correct in his statement. How many starters are going to average 5.5  earned runs when they are taken out of the game? How many did that last year?

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    How many left the game with as many or more runs allowed than IP is probably a better question (or 5 ERs in 6 IP).

    To me, a horrible start is something like this:

    Not lasting past 3 IP with 2 or more ERs allowed.

    4 IP with 3+ ERS

    5 IP with 4+ ERs

    6 IP with 5+ ERs

    How did our 2012 starters do using this criteria?

    Dice-K: 8 out of 11 horrible

    Bard: 4 out of 10 horrible.

    Cook 7 out of 18.

    Beckett 5 of 21.

    These guys aren't starting for us in 2013. So that's 24 horrible starts out of 60 gone.

    (Is Lackey going to replace these guys with what he did in 2011?

    10/28 horrible... hmmmm....)

    Morales  3/9

    Doub 10/29

    Buch  10/29

    Lest    6/33

    So, last year, by my criteria, we had about 53 horrible starts. Just about one in three.

     
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    Re: Great Bullpen.....but there is still a question to be answered.

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    Will any of our starting 5 consistently hand a game over to them without averaging 5-6 runs or more  before they do?

    I expect the majority should do better this year....but if we get a repeat it won't matter how good the bullpen is...the other worry is that the bullpen looks good on paper..but.......

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    Sox management is placing all their chips in their existing starting core plus Dempster...if these guys fail that will represent the fall of the 2013 Red Sox...not Napoli, Victorino, Drew, Gomes or Ross.

    Regarding the bullpen, the talent is there, but they still have to perform and when it comes to relief pitchers it's a crap shoot most of the time...although, this group does look good on paper.

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    We have a bingo with this rersponse. This is what it all boils down to, can farrell and company get this starting rotation into good form. I would say that majority of the 25 roster players for next season will be playing with a chip on their shoulder.

     

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