GREAT IDEAS BY EDES for next year

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    i would add, i prefer to actually add some starting pitching beyond or instead of bard (whatever we do with bard, we still need to add legit starting pitching).

    most importantly who they bring in as manager. someone the players will believe in, got to be a motivator, and who can come with the strong hand when needed, and can also manage a baseball game.


    i like the rest of his points though

    i think we should move on from youk at third its too physically challenging for him. he will only break down more it seems.

    Edes article:

    Here's what the Red Sox do to make things right:

    1. Red Sox owners buy a full-page ad in the Boston Globe, the same instrument they used anonymously to shred the reputation of outgoing manager Terry Francona, and publish an apology to their fans, signed by all three owners, for allowing the franchise to implode on their watch, both on and off the field. They've taken many bows, and rightfully so, for all the good they've done in this town, winning two World Series, transforming Fenway Park and playing a vital role in community service, but they need to fix this, and fast, or risk throwing away the legacy they so painstakingly worked to create.

    For good measure, CEO Larry Lucchino should schedule one of those round-table discussions of which he is so fond, televise it on NESN, and have Josh Beckett and Jon Lester sit down with a group of informed fans (I'm sure the Sons of Sam Horn would happily round up a representative crew) and answer to their conduct in September. Light refreshments only.

     

    [+] EnlargeCarl Crawford
    Greg Fiume/Getty ImagesAdvice for the next Sox manager: Tell Carl Crawford he's batting No. 2, and give him the OK to get in his teammates' faces if necessary.

    2. Make every effort to sign Jacoby Ellsbury to a multiyear contract extension. He's a Scott Boras client, so it will be tough, but Ellsbury clearly has taken the next step to superstar level, the fans love him and he has the potential to be face-of-the-franchise material. And if the Sox succeed in locking him up long term, the way they did Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis, call in Ellsbury and remind him that when he was younger, he was a leader on every team on which he played and he was proud of that fact. Urge him to step up and take a similar role on this team rather than retreating inward. He has the skill set to do so.

    3. Squash any talk of trading Beckett, who had a terrific season until the last month. One of the stars of this October's postseason is Miguel Cabrera, who drank the Tigers out of a playoff spot a couple of years ago, then was arrested on a DUI charge en route to spring training this year. Cabrera straightened out his act and had an MVP-caliber season.

    Beckett, whose transgressions register on a far lesser scale, clearly took advantage of the trust Francona placed in him, but he is not beyond redemption. Beckett is 31, a new father and a man eminently capable of reclaiming his role as a force for good among the starting pitchers. I'm betting on Beckett, although I might advise the Sox to do nightly drive-bys of the Chick-fil-A in Fort Myers, Fla., to make sure he remains on the straight and narrow.

     

    If I'm wrong, I'll walk from Fenway Park to my hometown of Lunenburg, a stroll of 45 miles or so, wearing a T-shirt that reads, "I'm the Idiot Who Picked the Red Sox.''

    4. One of the first things the new manager should do is call Carl Crawford, introduce himself (if the Sox name Rays bench coach Dave Martinez, no introduction will be necessary), and tell him that he will be batting No. 2 in the order from the first day of exhibition games and that won't change come hell or the first 0-for-15. The new manager also should remind Crawford that the left fielder isn't the new guy on the block anymore, and if he wants to get in somebody's face the way he did with Pat Burrell on the Rays two years ago, don't think twice about it. Crawford will have a bounce-back season: Book it.

    Pedroia? Bat him third, behind lefties Ellsbury and Crawford, and ahead of left-handed slugger Adrian Gonzalez, who is being ridiculously targeted as a problem on this team after a season in which he hit .338 with a weak shoulder. He'll have a full offseason to work out the shoulder this winter, so you can add 10 to 15 home runs to the total of 27 he hit this past season. Gonzalez is a tremendous gamer, not a malcontent, and should be regarded as such.

    5. Trade Lackey, of course. There have already been rumblings out of San Diego that the Padres might be willing to take him and reunite him with manager Bud Black, his pitching coach in Anaheim. Given the airplane-hangar dimensions of Petco Park, Lackey, a fly ball pitcher, might actually win some games there, especially in the offensively challenged National League West. The Sox still owe him $45 million, but the Padres were willing to pay just less than $5 million for Jon Garland when nobody else was interested, he gave them a good year, and maybe they'd be willing to pay $5 million a year for Lackey. Or perhaps they'd be willing to move salary in switch-hitting third baseman Chase Headley, who would give the Sox some insurance in case Youkilis can't play third base every day.

     

    [+] EnlargeJacoby Ellsbury
    AP Photo/Bill KostrounOne of the first things the Red Sox should do is sign Jacoby Ellsbury to a long-term contract.

    6. Make Daniel Bard a starting pitcher. And either re-sign Jonathan Papelbon, or dip into what is a buyers' market for closers, and for the money it would take to re-sign Pap, sign two guys, such as Ryan Madson and Heath Bell. With Alfredo Aceves, that would make the Sox very strong from the seventh inning on, and Kyle Weiland, Franklin Morales, rookie Alex Wilson and perhaps even Bobby Jenks should add bullpen depth.

    With Bard joining Beckett-Lester-Clay Buchholz, that gives the Sox a strong starting quartet, and patch and fill the No. 5 slot with Felix Doubront (admonishing him to show up in camp in shape this year or else) and a couple of cheap-to-sign veterans.

    7. Sign or trade for a right-handed-hitting outfielder. A Michael Cuddyer would be ideal. Trade one of the two kid outfielders, Josh Reddick or Ryan Kalish, to increase your inventory of pitching.

    8. Bring Ryan Lavarnway to camp as one of your two catchers with Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who ran out of gas at the end of the season but showed great improvement, especially defensively. Lavarnway has a chance to be the big right-handed bat the Sox were missing this past season.

    9. Decide whether Youkilis, who will be 33 in March, can stay healthy at third base after years of taking a physical pounding. That could affect the team's decision to re-sign David Ortiz as DH. If you can't be sure on Youkilis, make a play for another third baseman (David Wright) and let Ortiz walk. That's a tough one, although Ortiz might have made it a bit easier when he suggested he'd be open to wearing pinstripes next season.

    10. And if you have another $100 million to $140 million or so lying around and want to make a big splash, take a run at free agent shortstop Jose Reyes, the type of move that could keep that sellout streak alive.

    Do some or all of these things, and this team will be playing in October. Otherwise, I'm hitting the pavement.

     
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    What about Tek and Wake? Or is that #11 on the importance list?
     
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    His suggestions are solid with the exception of keeping Tough Guy Youk, Beckett and going after Reyes. Trade Youk to the Reds, trade Beckett to whomever he would allow being traded to and in return obtain a solid starter and prospects. Let Avilies and Middlebrooks play third. Reyes would be far too expensive and is very injury prone.
     
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    Maybe we should write for the Globe, there is not anything on his list that has not already been talked about here.
     
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    Edes is usually a sensible guy. 

    Items 1, 2, and 3 are pretty obvious.  The Boston sportswriters have made it very difficult for Beckett to spend more than five minutes in the clubhouse during a game next year. 

    I disagree with 4.  In his best year (s), Crawford was not the hitter than Ellsbury now is, let alone Pedroia and AGon and, for that matter, Youk and Ortiz.  The new manager will almost certainly try CC at the 2 slot, but should never be required to leave him there no matter what.  

    What further complicates things is figuring out what to do with Ortiz and Youkilis, as Edes discusses in item 9.  I'm inclined to keep Youk and let Ortiz go for two reasons:  Youk is younger and a good righty hitter.  A third reason is that Ortiz had a lousy September, 1 dinger and 8 rbi's. 

    Agree with trading Lackey, but it will be costly. 

    Starting Bard might work and is certainly one of the lower cost options for getting better starting pitching.

    Lavarnway on the big club is a no brainer. 

    So is getting a righty hitting outfielder. 
     
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    Reyes would be a worse decision than Crawford.  He is a diva, injury prone and not a nice guy like Crawford.  We would hate him here.
     
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    Reyes has not really had an amazing years yet, much like Carl. In fact there career numbers and strong suits are nearly identical.


     
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    [QUOTE]Maybe we should write for the Globe, there is not anything on his list that has not already been talked about here.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Gordon Edes hasn't worked at the Boston Globe for over two years now. He writes for ESPN at ESPNBoston.com
     
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    [QUOTE]i would add, i prefer to actually add some starting pitching beyond or instead of bard (whatever we do with bard, we still need to add legit starting pitching). most importantly who they bring in as manager. someone the players will believe in, got to be a motivator, and who can come with the strong hand when needed, and can also manage a baseball game. i like the rest of his points though i think we should move on from youk at third its too physically challenging for him. he will only break down more it seems. Edes article: Here's what the Red Sox do to make things right: 1. Red Sox owners buy a full-page ad in the Boston Globe, the same instrument they used anonymously to shred the reputation of outgoing manager Terry Francona, and publish an apology to their fans, signed by all three owners, for allowing the franchise to implode on their watch, both on and off the field. They've taken many bows, and rightfully so, for all the good they've done in this town, winning two World Series, transforming Fenway Park and playing a vital role in community service, but they need to fix this, and fast, or risk throwing away the legacy they so painstakingly worked to create. For good measure, CEO Larry Lucchino should schedule one of those round-table discussions of which he is so fond, televise it on NESN, and have Josh Beckett and Jon Lester sit down with a group of informed fans (I'm sure the Sons of Sam Horn would happily round up a representative crew) and answer to their conduct in September. Light refreshments only.   [+] Enlarge Greg Fiume/Getty Images Advice for the next Sox manager: Tell Carl Crawford he's batting No. 2, and give him the OK to get in his teammates' faces if necessary. 2. Make every effort to sign Jacoby Ellsbury to a multiyear contract extension. He's a Scott Boras client, so it will be tough, but Ellsbury clearly has taken the next step to superstar level, the fans love him and he has the potential to be face-of-the-franchise material. And if the Sox succeed in locking him up long term, the way they did Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis , call in Ellsbury and remind him that when he was younger, he was a leader on every team on which he played and he was proud of that fact. Urge him to step up and take a similar role on this team rather than retreating inward. He has the skill set to do so. 3. Squash any talk of trading Beckett, who had a terrific season until the last month. One of the stars of this October's postseason is Miguel Cabrera , who drank the Tigers out of a playoff spot a couple of years ago, then was arrested on a DUI charge en route to spring training this year. Cabrera straightened out his act and had an MVP-caliber season. Beckett, whose transgressions register on a far lesser scale, clearly took advantage of the trust Francona placed in him, but he is not beyond redemption. Beckett is 31, a new father and a man eminently capable of reclaiming his role as a force for good among the starting pitchers. I'm betting on Beckett, although I might advise the Sox to do nightly drive-bys of the Chick-fil-A in Fort Myers, Fla., to make sure he remains on the straight and narrow.   If I'm wrong, I'll walk from Fenway Park to my hometown of Lunenburg, a stroll of 45 miles or so, wearing a T-shirt that reads, "I'm the Idiot Who Picked the Red Sox.'' 4. One of the first things the new manager should do is call Carl Crawford , introduce himself (if the Sox name Rays bench coach Dave Martinez, no introduction will be necessary), and tell him that he will be batting No. 2 in the order from the first day of exhibition games and that won't change come hell or the first 0-for-15. The new manager also should remind Crawford that the left fielder isn't the new guy on the block anymore, and if he wants to get in somebody's face the way he did with Pat Burrell on the Rays two years ago, don't think twice about it. Crawford will have a bounce-back season: Book it. Pedroia? Bat him third, behind lefties Ellsbury and Crawford, and ahead of left-handed slugger Adrian Gonzalez , who is being ridiculously targeted as a problem on this team after a season in which he hit .338 with a weak shoulder. He'll have a full offseason to work out the shoulder this winter, so you can add 10 to 15 home runs to the total of 27 he hit this past season. Gonzalez is a tremendous gamer, not a malcontent, and should be regarded as such. 5. Trade Lackey, of course. There have already been rumblings out of San Diego that the Padres might be willing to take him and reunite him with manager Bud Black, his pitching coach in Anaheim. Given the airplane-hangar dimensions of Petco Park, Lackey, a fly ball pitcher, might actually win some games there, especially in the offensively challenged National League West. The Sox still owe him $45 million, but the Padres were willing to pay just less than $5 million for Jon Garland when nobody else was interested, he gave them a good year, and maybe they'd be willing to pay $5 million a year for Lackey. Or perhaps they'd be willing to move salary in switch-hitting third baseman Chase Headley , who would give the Sox some insurance in case Youkilis can't play third base every day.   [+] Enlarge AP Photo/Bill Kostroun One of the first things the Red Sox should do is sign Jacoby Ellsbury to a long-term contract. 6. Make Daniel Bard a starting pitcher. And either re-sign Jonathan Papelbon , or dip into what is a buyers' market for closers, and for the money it would take to re-sign Pap, sign two guys, such as Ryan Madson and Heath Bell . With Alfredo Aceves , that would make the Sox very strong from the seventh inning on, and Kyle Weiland , Franklin Morales , rookie Alex Wilson and perhaps even Bobby Jenks should add bullpen depth. With Bard joining Beckett-Lester- Clay Buchholz , that gives the Sox a strong starting quartet, and patch and fill the No. 5 slot with Felix Doubront (admonishing him to show up in camp in shape this year or else) and a couple of cheap-to-sign veterans. 7. Sign or trade for a right-handed-hitting outfielder. A Michael Cuddyer would be ideal. Trade one of the two kid outfielders, Josh Reddick or Ryan Kalish , to increase your inventory of pitching. 8. Bring Ryan Lavarnway to camp as one of your two catchers with Jarrod Saltalamacchia , who ran out of gas at the end of the season but showed great improvement, especially defensively. Lavarnway has a chance to be the big right-handed bat the Sox were missing this past season. 9. Decide whether Youkilis, who will be 33 in March, can stay healthy at third base after years of taking a physical pounding. That could affect the team's decision to re-sign David Ortiz as DH. If you can't be sure on Youkilis, make a play for another third baseman ( David Wright ) and let Ortiz walk. That's a tough one, although Ortiz might have made it a bit easier when he suggested he'd be open to wearing pinstripes next season. 10. And if you have another $100 million to $140 million or so lying around and want to make a big splash, take a run at free agent shortstop Jose Reyes , the type of move that could keep that sellout streak alive. Do some or all of these things, and this team will be playing in October. Otherwise, I'm hitting the pavement.
    Posted by brdbreu[/QUOTE]


    I should sue Edes for stealing from my thread.  In a previos thread I listed just about everything Edes did except starting Bard which I think is a bad idea.

     
     
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    2 is critical, Ells is an excellent player
    3 I agree with, you dont trade guys like Beckett if you want to win. I know the last month sucked, but most of the year he looked like the pitcher Ive been pushing for for the last 2 years.
    Im actually still a bit of a Crawford fan so I agree with 4. I never saw him bail on the team, not give the effort, drop out of shape. Sometimes those numbers from the begining just wear you down and effect your play all season. Sometimes very good players have very bad seasons. New season= fresh start.Back him up and show the support that small market teams foster and he will start to rake. He can be an incredible force on the field and off.
    5 is the most basic truth in life. I hate lacky
    6 I think is risky somewhat but might be the type of risk this team needs; a change from within. I think Bard has the ability to get even stronger as a starter, learn his own stuff more and take the game and adjustments at his pace. I like wieland in the pen, Aceves is the only difference for me. I really like him as a starter. He's got the drive to take the ball and there is just something that impresses me about him.
    7 is iffy to me. In a package with Anderson and another young player Reddick/Kalish might get you something of value to improve the club, but both might just be important pieces you need. I would think a good deal would involve reddick and leave you Kalish to play.
    Lavarnway is a no brainer. he and salty make the future behind the plate pretty good for me. patience
    8 is the big question. I think you want to try and keep papi. I think you cant trade youk after the season he just had and get anything of equal value. I think this situation is the toughest part of the off season. To our advantage the one good thing we've got is a couple of options at 3rd (lowrie, Middlebrooks-yes I think hes ready, and I think young players help to drive and challenge a team)
    so we know that we arent going in empty. come on ownership, learn from your mistakes and stop trying to buy the championship like the yanks. Let young players play!!
    On the same note, no, no, no to reyes. Fine player, kind of. Not for Boston. It will be a car accident. Strike outs abound. Defense falls off. Steals disappear. You want an energy driven guy at short who makes big plays and carries a decent stick, maybe swipe some bases, grow him yourself like everyone else has to. Maybe its Inglesias, maybe Tejeda, maybe Bogarts. at least you have scut's and lowrie to back you up until that player shows up (maybe even next year, but dont go sign the Mets old girlfriend, it will not work. Dont throw money at anything unless its going to heklp this team. You get a good player in a trade (Reddick, Anderson, Tejada for Matt Cain, probably wishful thinking but) and then you throw money at signing Cain.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to GREAT IDEAS BY EDES for next year : I should sue Edes for stealing from my thread.   In a previos thread I listed just about everything Edes did except starting Bard which I think is a bad idea. The guy needs to get a life he he has to copy ideas from a fan.  
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    Hey craze 
    "plagiarism" is ground for suit...I say go for it!...

    Regarding the OP...I'd say that most of Craze's ideas that eddes stole are solid, none "are wow why didn't I think of that"...

    a few rebuttles not in any particular order

    />no need for an appology from the owners...just win baby!

    />Cuddyer doesn't project to be able to play RF in Fenway...I do like his bat

    />I too support hitting Crawford 2nd...

    />Bard has already failed as a starter in the minors and it would take a minimum of two years to ready him to be a 33 start/200 innings pitcher...I'd give em the ball and make him the closer....

    />No thanks on Reyes...chronic hamstring injuiries are a major red flag...

    />Ellsbury will not sign an extension...the only chance of him resigning with us is once he reaches free agency or if they back up a brinks truck and unload it in his locker and overpay him with Arod moneys...

    />Youk and 3B...Not sure that David Wright is an upgrade. He's currently untradeable (see Mike Lowell)...if they trade him it will be after the season starts...

    />Papi, Drew & Papelbon...I'd let em all walk and use the moneys to bolster the rotation, pen and lengthen the lineup...

    />Beckett will be part of the solution, Lackey is part of the problem...getting both right will be in the new skippers best interest...


     
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    I thought Gordon's ideas were fair. 

    I should say that I was originally against keeping Josh Beckett due to his issues... as my parents used to say "He needs an attitudinal adjustment".  But I've come around on that issue.  If the Sox think they can gain his attention and Josh can come clean about his role in the infamous 2011 September, then hell, why not.

    As for John the Mouth-Breather Slackey... good riddance A _ _ H _ L _.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: GREAT IDEAS BY EDES for next year : Hey craze  "plagiarism" is ground for suit...I say go for it!... Regarding the OP...I'd say that most of Craze's ideas that eddes stole are solid, none "are wow why didn't I think of that"... a few rebuttles not in any particular order />no need for an appology from the owners...just win baby! />Cuddyer doesn't project to be able to play RF in Fenway...I do like his bat />I too support hitting Crawford 2nd... />Bard has already failed as a starter in the minors and it would take a minimum of two years to ready him to be a 33 start/200 innings pitcher...I'd give em the ball and make him the closer.... />No thanks on Reyes...chronic hamstring injuiries are a major red flag... />Ellsbury will not sign an extension...the only chance of him resigning with us is once he reaches free agency or if they back up a brinks truck and unload it in his locker and overpay him with Arod moneys... />Youk and 3B...Not sure that David Wright is an upgrade. He's currently untradeable (see Mike Lowell)...if they trade him it will be after the season starts... />Papi, Drew & Papelbon...I'd let em all walk and use the moneys to bolster the rotation, pen and lengthen the lineup... />Beckett will be part of the solution, Lackey is part of the problem...getting both right will be in the new skippers best interest...
    Posted by Beantowne[/QUOTE]

    Bean, I forget where my original post is but to list almost every idea in my thread was pretty ironic.  All he did was add a couple ideas and change the wording on mine "no respect" I would love to get a hold of Edes and call him on it.
     
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    I'm fully on board with point 4 at least. Carl Crawford has yhe capability to be a real leader on this team. And I've been saying he and Ells should hit 1 & 2 since the day he was signed.
     
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