Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

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    Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    Lefthanded reliever Rich Hill, who left yesterday's game clutching his arm, has a serious injury according to a major league source and is likely to require season-ending surgery.

    Hill and the Red Sox will seek a second opinion, but the MRI taken yesterday confirmed what seemed obvious as he walked off the mound.

    It is devastating news for Hill, a Milton native who underwent shoulder surgery in 2009 and resurrected his career as a sidearm reliever. Hill had appeared in nine games this season and not allowed a run in eight innings. He gave up only three hits, walked three and struck out 12.

    With Hill out, the Red Sox do not have a lefty reliever. They could remedy that before tomorrow night's game against Oakland by recalling Felix Doubront. Other alternatives would be Hideki Okajima or Andrew Miller. In those cases, however, a 40-man roster move would be needed.

     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    Let Doubront and Miller continue to build themselves up for eventual starting roles. I'd say recall Oki or pick up someone from outside the organization if possible.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    Miller/Oki only really work if Scutaro is ready to come back.  There aren't any good candidates for DFA's to make room on the 40 man roster other than Sutton.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    First of all, you need to define exactly what is to be replaced. A lefty specialist?
    A compliment to Bard in the set-up role?
    Hill was working himself into the latter, so replacing him will have to be done with Bard stepping up his game/Jenks earning his pay. A holein the set-up position to Paps will be devastating.

    My guess is, if the set-up situation can't be addressed in-house, the team will have to go outside the organization come late July, and this will cost prospects. There may not be a choice.

    A left specialist isn't a necessity unless NY is the opponent. It becomes more of one in the last 6-8 weeks of the season.
    Miller could possibly fit here. Or Oki, if he has any metal left. The team wants to keep Douby in starter mode, especially with Dice out. But that too could change depending on what happens by July 31st. I can see the FO going with Douby in this capacity as they did before if need be.

    The injury to Hill is far more impactual than the one to Dice if you are talking about filling the 8th inning set-up role as compared to filling the #5 spot in the rotation.
    Hill was more effective, and will be harder to replace.
    Tito was late in recognizing Hill's importance.
     
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    A left specialist isn't a necessity unless NY is the opponent. It becomes more of one in the last 6-8 weeks of the season.

    A lefty specialist is also not needed on this team, because guys like Paps, Bard, Jenks and other righties have had very good to excellent numbers vs LH'd batter over the years.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    I know. That was my point. But an exception is made when

    1) Bard, Jenks and co. aren't living up to their career norms - against lefty or righty. Bard vs. righty-lefty this year:  .472 OPS - .721 OPS).

    2) Playing NY because of the shear number of tough lefty bats.

    3) last 6+ weeks of the season. Pitchers are tired and there's too much on the line. Sept. roster expansion covers most of it.
     
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    Let Doubront and Miller continue to build themselves up for eventual starting roles. I'd say recall Oki or pick up someone from outside the organization if possible.
    Posted by Flapjack07


    i don't want any part of oki already....he's garbage...if we had to choose one i'd try miller...we may have to look outside.and we may also need a starter also.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, I think Miller only has a few options left so I don't think there's much flexibility with bringing him up for a "test run" type situation.  When he's up I think he pretty much has to stay up or be designated for assignment.  He's been starting down in Pawtucket so I'm wondering if he's an option at the #5 if Wake can't keep the job.  If not, I imagine that Miller would be a late-season bullpen addition.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    how about CRAWFORD? maybe he can pitch; he sure can't hit.

     
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    That's a drag for Hill. He was pitching really well and is a nice story.  I don't have any issues with Oki for the time being to see how he does.  He still can be effective.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, I think Miller only has a few options left so I don't think there's much flexibility with bringing him up for a "test run" type situation.  When he's up I think he pretty much has to stay up or be designated for assignment.  He's been starting down in Pawtucket so I'm wondering if he's an option at the #5 if Wake can't keep the job.  If not, I imagine that Miller would be a late-season bullpen addition.

    Miller has NO options left..once hes up, hes up..

    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

     
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    In Response to Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?:
    The SVCK sox are truly screwed if we are discussing replacing a fairly effective , albeit reclamation project, lefty reliever with minor leaguers! Time to get Scutaro healthy then work a trade...bigtime! BTW...Okajima? you can't be serious....why not just spot every team a couple of runs each game and just skip him altoghether! Matsusaka (injury and ineffectiveness), Okajima (putrid and wants to be traded), and Tazawa(injury, lost his fastball)...the END of the RS-Japan experiment.
    Posted by jfaust1954


    tazawa never had a great FB..88-91 maybe..and that was pre TJS
     
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    Time to get Scutaro healthy then work a trade...bigtime!

    Even if he gets "healthy", would he be considered reliable enough to trade Jed? Would other teams give equal value for him?
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    40-man roster spots should not be a problem.  Dice-K should go on the 60-day disabled list, opening up a spot for Miller or Oki.  And Hill will probably go on the 60-day as well, if he elects surgery, which opens up another spot.

    Can we also clear up something about options?  I am under the impression that options are only used up once a year; that once you are optioned, you can be brought up and down again, without using up another option.  I believe that was the way it was explained here on this board by some of the more knowledgeable posters a few years back.  Am I remembering that correctly?

    Not that I am for this, but what happened with Reyes?  Is he now on another club?  What a bust he turned out to be!

    I would use Doubront at this point.  He is not really stretched out, and he has had some success as a reliever for the big club in the past.  Miller should work on getting his innings in and learning to start the game effectively, which has been a problem lately.  Oki should be showcased and traded if he proves effective; even he wants that.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    I heard this morning on WEEI that Oki has asked the sox to be traded.
     
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    Not only does Miller have no options,  Cafardo reported that he has an "opt-out" clause in his contract which enables him to walk if he is not on the major league roster on June 15th.  Tough decision for management since he still has'nt completely worked out his command issues.
     
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    I say do not give up on Oki.

    Mend the fences, keep at it, and bring him up.  He pitched well lately.

    What, are we cleansing ourselves of all Japanese players?
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    now that it's quite likely the SOX will no longer have DICE and OKI, the GOLDEN GOOSE EGGS from JAPAN  for JOHN HENRY are now over. most of this revenue was used to help cover THEO'S many bad signings.
    it appears to continue this revenue flow, JOHN HENRY will need to obtain another famous JAPANESE ballplayer.
    how's this for a trade? SLACKEY and DREW for ICHIRO. is SEATTLE'S GM as dumb as THEO? would he do it?
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    why not replace him with Miller?  He seems like the perfect Dice-K replacement.  He has great stuff but he walks about 5-6 guys a game. 
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    Oki is the clear choice, but he is obviously not happy in Boston. This is what happens when you don't pursue any LH pitching in the off-season.
    The BP ought to have 2 or 3 lefties in it, one specialist and 1 or 2 that can right handed hitters out as well.
    The RS have always seemed to have an aversion to LHP.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    Oh wow were talking about replacing Hill not dice-K I'm on the wrong thread....I feel dumb, guess I should delete my post but I'm going to leave it up instead to punish my self for being an idiot.  I'm going to go grab a cup of coffee, and wake me up.

    Anyways I still don't like Miller's control (no matter who we are talking about replacing)  I say Doubrant. 
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    This is what happens when you don't pursue any LH pitching in the off-season.


    You want to come again with that?  Hill, Reyes and Miller were all LH off-season acquisitions, along with Oki, who was signed as a FA and was therefore an acquisition as well.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    In Response to Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?:
    This is what happens when you don't pursue any LH pitching in the off-season. You want to come again with that?  Hill, Reyes and Miller were all LH off-season acquisitions, along with Oki, who was signed as a FA and was therefore an acquisition as well.
    Posted by parhunter1


    Career minor leaguer Tommy Hottovy (LHP) called up to replace Hill. Oki is done in Boston. Trade him to the NL or better yet the Yankees.
     
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    Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?

    In Response to Re: Hill has "serious arm injury"-Who would you replace him with-Doubrant/Okajima/Miller?:
    This is what happens when you don't pursue any LH pitching in the off-season. You want to come again with that?  Hill, Reyes and Miller were all LH off-season acquisitions, along with Oki, who was signed as a FA and was therefore an acquisition as well.
    Posted by parhunter1


    Hill was acquired last year.
    Yeah, those guys have worked out well haven't they?
    I'm talking about LHP who are successful.
     
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