Re: Holy **** John Lackey is skinny
posted at 2/22/2013 12:19 PM EST
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
In response to mef429's comment:
In response to pinstripezac35's comment:
he had 12 wins in 2011 posting the worst ERA EVER!
besides, his ability has no bearing on how many wins he gets....
Oh Mef not U2
not even most superstat geeks would go that far
ok maybe they would ;-)
sorry to say it Zac, i just hate the W/L stat. it is the single WORST statistic out there... Too many variables involved to depend on it as a measuring stick.
Exactly. Lackey posted the worst ERA of a full-time pitcher in the modern era or something and got 12 wins in 2011. Felix Hernandez won the Cy Young in 2010 with 13. An interesting statistic no doubt, but useless as a yard stick.
Call me a Luddite, but I thought the goal of a starting pitcher was for their team to win the ballgame.
I would never call you a Luddite Carnie. You are, of course, correct in your simple line of thought. And simple is good. However, the thing about the W-L stat is that the pitcher is just one of at least 9 guys out there responsible for winning or losing a ball game. Sure, he is the most integral element. But wins or losses are, more often than not, the result of the collective team performance. hence, Lackey being abysmal and managing 12 wins: Hernandez being absolutely stellar and only getting 13.
You can, of course, use some tried-and-true benchmark numbers to make assumptions: if a dude gets 19-20 wins, you can assume he was probably darn good. But, shy of that, you really cannot make assumptions based on wins. That stat does not tell you nearly enough about how a guy actually pitches.