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    homegrown players.

    I am curious to the thoughts of this idea.Would anybody on here watch the Sox if they built a team of homegrown talent without spending millions on players that may or not be worth it.Like the Pirates or Royals.If they did they would still be a large market team with a low payroll which could then if needed find players to put you over the top if the team you had wasn't good enough.i would still watch them whatever they did.they are the sox.i love them as always.would it be possible to field a team with just draftpicks that work out?

     

     
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    With what they have in the minors I'm sure most folks wouldn't get to upset with a lineup consisting of their farm system. Year in and year out might not be the answer, but with the talent they have stored up in the minors right now you might start seeing more Sox homegrown players in the everyday lineup. Right now they could start and entire infield everyday with Nava 1B,Pedey 2B, Bogaerts SS, Middlebrooks 3B, Lavarnway C. The OF would be short one piece based upon projections with JBJ in CF and Brentz but you could throw Hassan in LF and that would be an everyday lineup Maybe with Linares at DH. Pitching wise the starters would be OK Lester,Buccholz, Doubrant, Workman, Owens. Relief is a little tricky, Britton,Wilson,Tazawa, if you allow minor leaguers acquired as Red Sox prospects you would fill out the pen with Webster and RDLR. Your regular B/U's would be Butler,Vasquez, Cecchini and this based upon guys presently on the 40 man roster. That would give the Sox a pretty decent team, I doubt they could win a WS with them but they wouldn't be cellar dwellers either. Under the circumstances of allowing them to fill out their roster with lesser expensive imports your pen would include Uehara and Miller so yeah I would watch them, but heck I watched them in the 60's and they stunk to the high heavens am I spoiled by their success, probably! However going to Fenway is a treat too bad the prices are out of control, but i would still watch them...

     
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    I think it takes a good combination of both right now. If one day they all wind up as our team at the same time, I think that would be amazing. Probably the first time it ever happened.

    But I'm not a buy this guy, buy that guy kind of fan, and I can't speak for everyone. I hate to lose players every year that I've watched and grown to love and enjoy watching play and compete. So, I believe it would have to be a gradual progression. Could it happen the way they build the farm? Yes. I think it could. One day.

    It doesn't hurt that we've been so fortunate over so few years. There's no immediate pressure IMO. But, I'm one of many, some of who don't feel the same way. And to get alot of great draft picks, IMUnderstanding, you have to lose for a while.

     
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    Btw, isn't it cool how happy the Pirates fans are for their winning season? Good for them. I think the playing field is evening out.

     
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    Re: homegrown players.

    You use Free Agency where your thin at, and develop at that Position. It gives you time. The goal for any Club is to Develop your Farm to become Major Leaguers. You have to be careful not to sign Free Agents to long term contracts, so not to block your Minor Leaguers.
    You save tons of money, have talent in case you want to make a Trade. Also the fan base SHOULD be more in love with their own Homegrown Players. Rice, Lynn, etc.

    I said this before, not worried about the Big name signings, I think the Team to beat in next few years is the Cardinals, and they are almost all homegrown.

     

     
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    You use Free Agency where your thin at, and develop at that Position. It gives you time. The goal for any Club is to Develop your Farm to become Major Leaguers. You have to be careful not to sign Free Agents to long term contracts, so not to block your Minor Leaguers.
    You save tons of money, have talent in case you want to make a Trade. Also the fan base SHOULD be more in love with their own Homegrown Players. Rice, Lynn, etc.

    I said this before, not worried about the Big name signings, I think the Team to beat in next few years is the Cardinals, and they are almost all homegrown.

     



    I disagree about the homegrown players comment. While I love the homegrown players, I love the guys on the field. If they're going to change that to all homegrown, it will be tough to lose them all with replacements. Like I said, I think it will be gradual.

    And the Cardinals being the team to beat in the next few years, is just telling about going all full grown at once, maybe too soon. Although, maybe Cardinals fans don't care after losing Pujols.

     
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    Re: homegrown players.

    You must not have been around in 75-79. Evans, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Rooster, Hobson, Scott, Yaz.

     

     
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    You must not have been around in 75-79. Evans, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Rooster, Hobson, Scott, Yaz.

     



    Maybe I wasn't. What's your point? I'm also a female. Do you have anything to say about that?

     
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    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.

     
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    With what they have in the minors I'm sure most folks wouldn't get to upset with a lineup consisting of their farm system. Year in and year out might not be the answer, but with the talent they have stored up in the minors right now you might start seeing more Sox homegrown players in the everyday lineup. Right now they could start and entire infield everyday with Nava 1B,Pedey 2B, Bogaerts SS, Middlebrooks 3B, Lavarnway C. The OF would be short one piece based upon projections with JBJ in CF and Brentz but you could throw Hassan in LF and that would be an everyday lineup Maybe with Linares at DH. Pitching wise the starters would be OK Lester,Buccholz, Doubrant, Workman, Owens. Relief is a little tricky, Britton,Wilson,Tazawa, if you allow minor leaguers acquired as Red Sox prospects you would fill out the pen with Webster and RDLR. Your regular B/U's would be Butler,Vasquez, Cecchini and this based upon guys presently on the 40 man roster. That woukd give the Sox a pretty decent team, I doubt they could win a WS with them but they wouldn't be cellar dwellers either. Under the circumstances of allowing them to fill out their roster with lesser expensive imports your pen would include Uehara and Miller so yeah I would watch them, but heck I watched them in the 60's and they stunk to the high heavens am I spoiled by their success, probably! However going to Fenway is a treat too bad the prices are out of control, but i would still watch them...



    i forgot to say you could use low cost vets like uehara ,miller.i also went to fenway a few years backit was my first time and only time there.it was magical.i didn't buy the tickets they were bought by a friend.but i loved the city of boston and the park.what a joy for the constant game goers.

     

     
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    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.




    i was born in 1971.and i loved watching the team come up and stay together.i don't remember the 75 series but as i watch with my brother and dad i learned to love them even more.then fisk left,then lynn,burleson.i still think red sox would have won a couple other world series titles if rice hadn't been hurt.he was wonderful to watch play.

     

     
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    In response to bosoxhero2's comment:

    I am curious to the thoughts of this idea.Would anybody on here watch the Sox if they built a team of homegrown talent without spending millions on players that may or not be worth it.Like the Pirates or Royals.If they did they would still be a large market team with a low payroll which could then if needed find players to put you over the top if the team you had wasn't good enough.i would still watch them whatever they did.they are the sox.i love them as always.would it be possible to field a team with just draftpicks that work out?

     



    Would we watch yes...until around the middle of August when they were eliminated. then we'd tune into a game or two but wouldn't stay connected...

    End of the day every franchise builds thier rosters using much the same processes, trades, free agency and thier farm systems. Some have larger budgets and can afford to spend on top free agents, others sign the mid level guys, and or lower tier players. No team since the advent of free agency has ever built a winner simply relying on thier farm systems alone. I would think the same is true if you go back and look at all of the most successful teams in history...Babe Ruth comes to mind...

    Tampa Bay for example has built a very strong nucleus of players drafted and developed by the organization but also rely heavily on the trading of assets to bolster thier major league club and if you look at thier starting nine Myers, Escobar, Loney, Dejesus, Molina all were acquired via trades or signed as free agents as was most of their bullpen and two fifths of thier starting rotation. 

    In my mind I have always found it curious why so many among us champion the homegrown players as somehow being a point of pride...Don't get me wrong i too love when we promote a young kid who has success and helps us to win games. That said, I could care less how they built the rosters as long as the results are that we field a championship quality team. I root for the name on the front of the jersey. once a player puts on a Red Sox uniform and takes the field all I ask is that they play hard and represent the city with class and dignity. 

    To me having a productive farm system serves the greater good of the major league team. All of the players currently toiling in the minors are assets. who's sole purpose is to serve the needs of the major league teams quest to win it all. Whether they put on a Bosten Red Sox jersey or not is irrelevant.

     
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    In response to bosoxhero2's comment:

    In response to kimsaysthis' comment:

    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.




    i was born in 1971.and i loved watching the team come up and stay together.i don't remember the 75 series but as i watch with my brother and dad i learned to love them even more.then fisk left,then lynn,burleson.i still think red sox would have won a couple other world series titles if rice hadn't been hurt.he was wonderful to watch play.

     



    Your experience with your dad sounds wonderful. His stories must be something that tells you more about the Sox than you might have caught yourself. My dad was born and raised in the Bronx until he was 17. You couldn't find a bigger Yankee fan. He thinks it's "unAmerican" as he calls it, to not root for the Yankees. lol I probably know more about the Yankees' history than I do the Sox, if you can imagine. My brother is also a HUGE Yankee fan. Whenever I have EVER been to a baseball game with my dad, it's been to Yankee stadium, his cathedral. That's the only team he's interested in. I only go to Sox games, so it's only been Yankees/Sox games for us in Yankee Stadium or nothing.

    I did find out over the years that there's a strong contingent of Sox fans that attend Yankee games. They are usually in the higher seats, but I see them and they always smile because I'm always in a Sox jersey. We're like an underground community there. lol  Unfortunately, they're always being escorted out of the games for various "reasons". The fights there are legendary with the crowd totally involved and chanting. Unreal.

     
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    Re: homegrown players.

    In response to bosoxhero2's comment:

    I am curious to the thoughts of this idea.Would anybody on here watch the Sox if they built a team of homegrown talent without spending millions on players that may or not be worth it.Like the Pirates or Royals.If they did they would still be a large market team with a low payroll which could then if needed find players to put you over the top if the team you had wasn't good enough.i would still watch them whatever they did.they are the sox.i love them as always.would it be possible to field a team with just draftpicks that work out?

     



    Part of the issue is that we wouldn't be able to the same thing.  The Pirates and Royals have had much better picks.  So I think it is automatic that most teams will have more home-grown talent.

    Having said that-

    Boston had 14.8 WAR from home grown offensive players, and 12.8 from pitchers.  PT had I think 25.1 from home grown talent, and KC probably a lot less than that.

    Leading to the question-

    Did any team have a higher WAR than Boston from home-grown talent, never having played for another team?  You'd be surprised at how many players switch teams at some point.

     
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    You must not have been around in 75-79. Evans, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Rooster, Hobson, Scott, Yaz. 



    The only thing we couldn't grow back then was pitchers.  Had to trade for 'em (Tiant & Eck) or sign free agents (Torrez).

     

     
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    Re: homegrown players.

    Remember, some of your homegrown players are going to turn into 100MM players, and your going to resign/extend a few of them. Not all, but a few.

    Were about the same age, so I grew up with Fisk, Yaz, Dewey, etc. , as well.

    If they only had minor FA signings (5M or less) and Homegrown players, they could field competetive teams because guys like Pedey, Xander, Middy, JBJ, Lester and Buch are a good mix of young players and seasoned vets. Their paychecks are obviously different, but all home grown.

    There are only 3 teams with a payroll under 60M and TB as well as Houston could easily pass that in 2014. Miami beingthe other team

    5 teams between 60-80MM

    The big number is almost half the teams in MLB sit between the 80-120MM mark with 13 teams. Thats a pretty good payroll to compete.

    7 teams between 120-right up to the LT and 2 surpassed the LT and the 200MM mark.

    So, the majority of teams have a pretty decent payroll between 80 and 120MM.

     
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    You must not have been around in 75-79. Evans, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Rooster, Hobson, Scott, Yaz.

     

     



    Maybe I wasn't. What's your point? I'm also a female. Do you have anything to say about that?

     




    Not sure it has anything to do with you being a female.  I think it's more because you're a nut.....



    Actually, females don't follow baseball necessarily like males do in younger years. There are exceptions, but mostly no. We're interested in guys, clothes, hair, and what we're doing and where we're going. Surprised I have to explain that to you. I would think you'd already be familiar with that.

     
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    Oh, and grow a pair and pick a screenname. I would think the definition of a "nut" would be someone who has to constantly create new ones.

     
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    You must not have been around in 75-79. Evans, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Rooster, Hobson, Scott, Yaz. 



    The only thing we couldn't grow back then was pitchers.  Had to trade for 'em (Tiant & Eck) or sign free agents (Torrez).

     



    More accurately is the organizational philosophy in the Yawkey years was to build teams that crushed the ball with a strong emphesis on righthanded power bats, the flaw and why it took 86 years to win was they placed a low value on pitching because of the misguided idea that pitching wasn't a priority due to playing so many games in Fenway. 

    When looking at rosters from the late 60's and early 70's you have to remember that players were the property of the club. So for the most part teams were by and large built from thier farms...since the advent of free agency the dynamic of roster building has changed...

     
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    In response to kimsaysthis' comment:

    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.




    Jeez, relax for crying out loud...He was just making the point that the Sox have fielded a team of mostly all homegrown guys. Why so sensitive and quick to fight?

     
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    In response to bosoxhero2's comment:

    I am curious to the thoughts of this idea.Would anybody on here watch the Sox if they built a team of homegrown talent without spending millions on players that may or not be worth it.Like the Pirates or Royals.If they did they would still be a large market team with a low payroll which could then if needed find players to put you over the top if the team you had wasn't good enough.i would still watch them whatever they did.they are the sox.i love them as always.would it be possible to field a team with just draftpicks that work out?

     



    My guess is that its not so much where the players come from in terms of who would watch them-its whether they are winning or not. Fact is, most everyone here would watch them win OR lose, but its sure a lot more interesting when they are playing good baseball.

     
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    In response to kimsaysthis' comment:

    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.




    Jeez, relax for crying out loud...He was just making the point that the Sox have fielded a team of mostly all homegrown guys. Why so sensitive and quick to fight?




    That's just kim being kim...

     
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    Re: homegrown players.

    In response to bosoxhero2's comment:

     

    I am curious to the thoughts of this idea.Would anybody on here watch the Sox if they built a team of homegrown talent without spending millions on players that may or not be worth it.Like the Pirates or Royals.If they did they would still be a large market team with a low payroll which could then if needed find players to put you over the top if the team you had wasn't good enough.i would still watch them whatever they did.they are the sox.i love them as always.would it be possible to field a team with just draftpicks that work out?

     

     



    If you just enjoy watching the prospects thats what AA and AAA are for. 

    At the present time we have a ton of decent prospects, most of which are pitchers but no room on the staff unless someone gets injured.  We also only have one reliable big bat in Papi who isn't getting younger and nobody on that farm who even comes close to taking his place not to mention other positions.  In other words, we don't have enough solid prospect in every position to even put together an entire team which is why we need to trade and create more balance for the future.

     

     
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    I'm sorry, does everyone have to be a fan from 70-whatever to be a Sox fan here? I didn't know that. My bad. So sorry. My apologies.

    I should have filled out the application first.




    Jeez, relax for crying out loud...He was just making the point that the Sox have fielded a team of mostly all homegrown guys. Why so sensitive and quick to fight?



    Maybe because people tend to rate what you're saying by how far you can go back. Let's not forget, he started with:

    Also the fan base SHOULD be more in love with their own Homegrown Players. Rice, Lynn, etc.

    targeting "the fan base" and what they SHOULD IHW be more in love with.

     
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