Hot stove primer -- who is on the trading block and who won't be re-signed?

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    Hot stove primer -- who is on the trading block and who won't be re-signed?

    This is just fodder for discussion.  I'm taking the viewpoint that some players on this team MUST be traded, some may not be re-signed for various reasons and some are nearing the end of their arbitration life.  These are players that for various reasons may or may not be here next year.  Curious to see who makes a case for them to stay or go, and who could possibly replace them.     

    David Ortiz:  Is he a leader or the me-first diva that he seemed to be over the last month of the season?  He’s the face of the team, and he had a good season at DH.  But he’s just a DH and he’ll likely want multiple years at pretty big money.   This year was good, the year before that he was on the verge of being released.  Tough call – does the next GM take a deep breath and give him multiple years?

    Marco Scutaro:   Was one of the few Sox players who actually thrived in the pressure of September.  Decent offensive production, mediocre range and defensive player.   Is 35, but Iglesias is not yet ready to assume the full time SS position.  Team option? 

    Jed Lowrie:   A perennial tease, good offensive  potential but constantly hurt.  Can play multiple positions, can be productive offensively but where does he play every day?  SS or 3B?  Is he better than the current options?  Reportedly a standoffish or aloof player (not my opinion) that doesn’t meld very well with the current roster.

    Jacoby Ellsbury:  Proved that last year was a fluke and that he is a dynamic offensive player.   Played in 158 games, and was consistently among the league’s best offensive threats.  Good but not great defensive CF’er with average arm.   Next year is his last arb year and his trade value will never be higher.  Can the Sox justify paying two OF’ers $20+ mil per year.  Agent is Scott Boras, alas no hometown discounts and he will undoubtedly hit free agency.       

    Jonathan Papelbon:  Picked a good time to have a good year going into FA.   Disappointing in September, but was a stand up man in the bad times.  Proven performer in a tough division and tough media market.   Other decent closers on the market this year, and he could price himself out of Boston quickly.  Based on what the Sox paid Jenks and the fact that if they whiff in FA their in-house closing options are limited, Sox should make a push to sign him.  Does he want to be here?  Will he be happy with what he’s offered here?  On record as saying he wants to set the contract bar for closers.  He just may. 

    Kevin Youkilis:   Trending downward a bit, mostly due to injuries.  Can he play 3B for 130+ games over the next few years?  Can easily DH and play 3B and 1B in a pinch, an invaluable asset.   Can’t see him going anywhere.       

    Josh Beckett:   Talented pitcher with baggage.  Ace when he wants to be, can be very average or worse.  Are the Sox going to get the Beckett of 2010 or 2011 going forward?  Has trade value.  Has he worn out his welcome?   Would a trade be addition by subtraction, or is he a staff workhorse going forward. 

    John Lackey:   Among the worst starting pitchers in baseball, statistically.  Dubious that he can handle pitching in Boston and the AL East.  Not much trade value, severely damaged reputation, probably beyond reclamation.  Is it fish or cut bait time? 

    Jason Varitek:    Part of an offensively average catching duo.   Is he still the leader he was?  Is he a crutch for guys like Beckett?   Are the Sox better of going with Salty and seeing what they have in Lavarnway? 

    Tim Wakefield:   150 innings but a 5+ ERA.  Time for a new #5 in the rotation?   Andrew Miller as an alternative doesn’t give much confidence. 

     
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    [QUOTE]This is just fodder for discussion.  I'm taking the viewpoint that some players on this team MUST be traded, some may not be re-signed for various reasons and some are nearing the end of their arbitration life.   These are players that for various reasons may or may not be here next year.   Curious to see who makes a case for them to stay or go, and who could possibly replace them.        David Ortiz:   Is he a leader or the me-first diva that he seemed to be over the last month of the season?   He’s the face of the team, and he had a good season at DH.   But he’s just a DH and he’ll likely want multiple years at pretty big money.    This year was good, the year before that he was on the verge of being released.   Tough call – does the next GM take a deep breath and give him multiple years? Marco Scutaro:     Was one of the few Sox players who actually thrived in the pressure of September.   Decent offensive production, mediocre range and defensive player.    Is 35, but Iglesias is not yet ready to assume the full time SS position.   Team option?   Jed Lowrie:    A perennial tease, good offensive   potential but constantly hurt.   Can play multiple positions, can be productive offensively but where does he play every day?   SS or 3B?   Is he better than the current options?   Reportedly a standoffish or aloof player (not my opinion) that doesn’t meld very well with the current roster. Jacoby Ellsbury:   Proved that last year was a fluke and that he is a dynamic offensive player.    Played in 158 games, and was consistently among the league’s best offensive threats.   Good but not great defensive CF’er with average arm.     Next year is his last arb year and his trade value will never be higher.   Can the Sox justify paying two OF’ers $20+ mil per year.   Agent is Scott Boras, alas no hometown discounts and he will undoubtedly hit free agency.            Jonathan Papelbon:   Picked a good time to have a good year going into FA.    Disappointing in September, but was a stand up man in the bad times.   Proven performer in a tough division and tough media market.    Other decent closers on the market this year, and he could price himself out of Boston quickly.   Based on what the Sox paid Jenks and the fact that if they whiff in FA their in-house closing options are limited, Sox should make a push to sign him.   Does he want to be here?   Will he be happy with what he’s offered here?   On record as saying he wants to set the contract bar for closers.   He just may.   Kevin Youkilis:    Trending downward a bit, mostly due to injuries.   Can he play 3B for 130+ games over the next few years?   Can easily DH and play 3B and 1B in a pinch, an invaluable asset.    Can’t see him going anywhere.            Josh Beckett:     Talented pitcher with baggage.   Ace when he wants to be, can be very average or worse.   Are the Sox going to get the Beckett of 2010 or 2011 going forward?   Has trade value.   Has he worn out his welcome?    Would a trade be addition by subtraction, or is he a staff workhorse going forward.   John Lackey:     Among the worst starting pitchers in baseball, statistically.   Dubious that he can handle pitching in Boston and the AL East.   Not much trade value, severely damaged reputation, probably beyond reclamation.   Is it fish or cut bait time?   Jason Varitek:      Part of an offensively average catching duo.     Is he still the leader he was?   Is he a crutch for guys like Beckett?    Are the Sox better of going with Salty and seeing what they have in Lavarnway?   Tim Wakefield:    150 innings but a 5+ ERA.   Time for a new #5 in the rotation?    Andrew Miller as an alternative doesn’t give much confidence.  
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn[/QUOTE]

    Papi & Papelbon are both FA and in my mind I'd let em both walk and use those moneys to bolster the teams depth...

    Youk needs to show he's healthy before he has any trade value...

    Ellsbury value will never be higher, but becasue of his agent his trade value is also limited...he has more value to us than to any other team... becasue we can afford to replace him...Perhaps a one for one with Dodgers for Kemp where we'd resign kemp and the Doidgers would get an additional year of service might work?

    I would pick up Scutaro 's option but I'd look to trade Lowrie

    Beckett will be part of the solution in 2012...

    Lackey has little value and I find it difficult to believe he can walk back onto the mound at fenway without a chorus of boo's

    I can go either way on TeK, but I stand firm on Wake it's time for him to hang up his spikes...
     
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    Few thoughts:

    The assessments on Beckett in this market have been very harsh. There aren't really better pitchers around with 6+ years service at his salary level. He had a bad finish, he is in the middle of the sh*t storm about beers and Popeye's but the guy just had an outstanding 2011, great WHIP and ERA (top 4 and 5 in AL). With the rumors the RS would be selling very low. If they RS aren't just blowing things up he is part of the solution.

    I am not sure Papelbon's September was all that disappointing, he was gassed after his multi-inning hold in NY and left us with a bad memory but he was outstanding last season. Two blown saves all year and his lack of BB was awesome. But $$$ is an issue and short of the RS being the highest bidder he may not want to come back.

    Ortiz is all about where else there is a market for him and how that impacts years. The RS seldom let guys walk without offers, it almost always is about valuation and this will be no exception.

    Lowrie is likely a very inexpensive utility player that kills LH pitching. On a LH centric team you could have worse problems.

    Scutaro seems like a easy decision to keep him when you consider the cost of retention versus paying a buyout and then replacement.

    Ellsbury IMHO is the age old question of value of years service and compensation at the end of arbitration years or trade early. Given who Ells agent is if the RS are in this to win in 2012 year to year isn't so bad. And Dodger swaps are a dream that most manifested themselves on this board. It is hard to trade the undisputed 2011 MVP IMHO.

    The Youk take is right on.

    Tek and Wake both have pro and con cases.

    Lackey has to go, this market, the garbage that has come out on top of his performance and his personality has made him irreparable and a pound of red meat to serve to a rabid market demanding a head on a stick.

     


     
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    Agreed on Beckett, if he get his head on straight and if this experience lights a fire under his a$s, I think he's defintiely part of this staff. 
     
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    Papi & Papelbon are both FA and in my mind I'd let em both walk and use those moneys to bolster the teams depth...

    Ortiz produced at a top tier OPS in 2011. One year deal at around 11M and a player option and team buyout of about 1.5M should do the trick. Ortiz doesn't have much left in the tank, but 2010 and 2011 production levels means this isn't a 45 year old fat Tim Wakefield case. 

    Youk needs to show he's healthy before he has any trade value...

    No point in trading Youk in final contract year. Should be Type A and will serve as willing mentor for Middlebrooks.

    Ellsbury value will never be higher, but becasue of his agent his trade value is also limited...he has more value to us than to any other team... becasue we can afford to replace him...Perhaps a one for one with Dodgers for Kemp where we'd resign kemp and the Doidgers would get an additional year of service might work?

    Crawford mortgage makes this a no brainer. Ellsbury 2011 does not transform 2008, 2009, 2010 years. Epstein never seemed to grasp that with Crawford. Agon addition and fine year from Pedroia had a lot to do with Ellsbury career year. Kemp is a perfect fit for current OF, since Crawford is value untradeable and Reddick and Kalish provide enough left feet. Dodgers would likely bite on 2 years of Ellsbury (will be about 4M cheaper than Kemp and Kemp will cost in the 20M range for 2013 while Ellsbury will cost in single digits). Throw in Lowrie (Scutaro is almost sure to return on 3M player option and Aviles is cheap utility control choice now) or Brenz and a 2nd tier pitching prospect and the Dodgers will almost surely forget trying to extend Kemp's last year and turn to 2 years of Ellsbury and decide on whether to bid on Ellsbury FA past 2013.    

    I would pick up Scutaro 's option but I'd look to trade Lowrie

    No need to pick up Scutaro's ~6M option. Scutaro will be lucky to find 1 to 2M on FA market and will likely exercise player option at 3M.

    Beckett will be part of the solution in 2012...

    Despite final month, no reason to think trade on a pitcher who was an AL top tier performer in 2011 and is under contract years to come. Perhaps in another year or two if Ranaudo or other farm hand emerges as a top tier starter.
     
    Lackey has little value and I find it difficult to believe he can walk back onto the mound at fenway without a chorus of boo's

    Insane to trade Lackey off career low. Was a solid #5 starter in 2010 and still managed to go 2-1 v. NY Yankees in 2011. Trade talk needs to be after Lackey bounced back, which is likely from career low in 2011.
     
    I can go either way on TeK, but I stand firm on Wake it's time for him to hang up his spikes...      

    Tek shows every August and September that he is washed up. And all year long, Tek is incapable of fielding the catcher position at an acceptable level. He has no arm and is slow and clumsy catching and blocking.

    2011 was a debacle and Varitek was one of the admitted problems in taking advantage of Tito and condoning a bloated and country club clubhouse. Varitek is not cutting it as a player or a team leader. He and Wakefield were two of the biggest problems of 2011 and most surely cost the team a playoff bid.                      
     
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    No pros to Wakefield and Varitek. Only cons.
     
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    trade lackey for a position player with a ridiculous salary that the other team would dump, ideally a Right handed outfielder....soriano , wells, rios spring to mind

    trading beckett would be madness when our rotation is in the state it is.

    scutaro's defense isnt good enough anymore to be starting short stop and lowrie better utility infielder, so keep jed and dont pick up marco....give the job to iglesias, we need an injection of youth day to day, or go for reyes and use iglesias in a trade for a pitcher.

    re-sign papi and pap unless they want something ridiculous (years in papi's case, money in pap's)

    would be prepared to trade youk if a solid starting pitcher is coming the other way.

    tek stays as back up unless lavarnway is ready to catch and call games.

    bye bye wake, bedard.

    try and pick up buerhle or wang as fifth starter and hope for the best, probably keep miller in case.....roation lest, beck, buch, aceves, FA , pen pap, bard, jenks, morales, tazawa.
     
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    [QUOTE]trade lackey for a position player with a ridiculous salary that the other team would dump, ideally a Right handed outfielder....soriano , wells, rios spring to mind trading beckett would be madness when our rotation is in the state it is. scutaro's defense isnt good enough anymore to be starting short stop and lowrie better utility infielder, so keep jed and dont pick up marco....give the job to iglesias, we need an injection of youth day to day, or go for reyes and use iglesias in a trade for a pitcher. re-sign papi and pap unless they want something ridiculous (years in papi's case, money in pap's) would be prepared to trade youk if a solid starting pitcher is coming the other way. tek stays as back up unless lavarnway is ready to catch and call games. bye bye wake, bedard. try and pick up buerhle or wang as fifth starter and hope for the best, probably keep miller in case.....roation lest, beck, buch, aceves, FA , pen pap, bard, jenks, morales, tazawa.
    Posted by Guvnor[/QUOTE]

    That bullpen will get killed.  Lowrie is useless.  He can't stay on the field and faded badly down the stretch.  Lowrie is a HORRIBLE defensive player.  Scutaro is a much better player. Tek is washed up and is not a leader anymore.
     
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    [QUOTE]trade lackey for a position player with a ridiculous salary that the other team would dump, ideally a Right handed outfielder....soriano , wells, rios spring to mind trading beckett would be madness when our rotation is in the state it is. scutaro's defense isnt good enough anymore to be starting short stop and lowrie better utility infielder, so keep jed and dont pick up marco....give the job to iglesias, we need an injection of youth day to day, or go for reyes and use iglesias in a trade for a pitcher. re-sign papi and pap unless they want something ridiculous (years in papi's case, money in pap's) would be prepared to trade youk if a solid starting pitcher is coming the other way. tek stays as back up unless lavarnway is ready to catch and call games. bye bye wake, bedard. try and pick up buerhle or wang as fifth starter and hope for the best, probably keep miller in case.....roation lest, beck, buch, aceves, FA , pen pap, bard, jenks, morales, tazawa.
    Posted by Guvnor[/QUOTE]

    That bullpen will get killed.  Lowrie is useless.  He can't stay on the field and faded badly down the stretch.  Lowrie is a HORRIBLE defensive player.  Scutaro is a much better player. Tek is washed up and is not a leader anymore.
     
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    these bros won't be re-hi-yud:

    timmy the knuckluh
    craPapelbon
    tek
    big papi
    drool
    bedard
    lowrie
    miller
    hill
    jackson
     
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    lowrie is only going to be a utility bench player, and he kills left handed pitching which is a big issue in our line up....first 2 motnhs of the season he was our best hitter.

    scutaro cant play third or first, and is not good enough SS any more at 36, time to move on.

    bullpen - always a crap shoot, get some arms in spring and see what happens, rays seem to be able to put one together from nothing.
     
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    I would keep them all, except for Lackey, since he's so hated here. That can't be good for him or the team. Also, as much as I hate to say this, Papi's shout out to the Yankees, to me, means he should follow his heart and go there. If you want to say things that you know will hurt your fanbase and your team, then you can't possibly care that much about them. JMO

    I think Youk should be DH, since third base seems to be neutralizing him. I would be happy if we got a good third baseman to replace him there.
     
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    -I would look into bringing Shoppach back to back up Salty if Varitek is not retained. -Also I think Weiland and Bowden should be given a shot to contribute out of the pen.
    -This team needs to avoid any more mega contracts for awhile.
     -Let Scutaro walk. He proved to be a dirtdog and has a lot of heart but it's time to move on. Let Iglasis start at SS and bat 9th. So what if he can't hit. With the sox lineup he shouldn't have to.
    -I hate to say it but maybe it's time for Tek, Wake, and Ortiz to go. With Ortiz, better to cut him loose a year to early than a year too late.
    -Bring back Papelbon

     
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    Thanks for all the great merories and heroics, but time to let big Papi walk. And it has nothing to do with his comments. But has everything to do with his actions. He complains at the plate and in the dugout. He can't run. He can't field. He is expensive. And he never runs out ground balls, ever. Would love to have seen a team just hold the ball just to see what Papi would have done.

    Wake and Tek. Thanks for the memories. Turn Tek into a bench coach.

    Youk and Beckett are most likely the best trading chips. They have to be considered. They might help in moving Lackey along. But news has it the Padres are interested.
     
    Scut stays put. Let the back up young get share time with him.

    Lowire is also a trade guy. But has very little value. He just can't stay healthy and that is a problem.

    Keep Pap unless you have a better option. Right now I don't see any better option.

    And any talk of getting rid of Ells is just crazy.

     
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    Papi - no offer for him.  He clearly stated that he doesn't want to play for the Sox anymore.  It doesn't matter whether he wants to play for the Yanks or other teams.  You don't bring in a guy who doesn't have willingness to play for your team.  If Papi doesn't want any part of this, so be it.  RS IS drama every year and will always be.

    Scut - no brainer.  pick up his option unless Big Ben goes out there and sign Reyes or get Hanley from Marlin in a trade.  Scut proved himself that he can be an offense force when team needs him to be.  His defense showed some positives time to time.  He should be our fulltime SS until Iggy is ready to take over.  Scut will be more motivated once he gets fulltime job.

    Jed Lowrie - Trade bait.  He's a great trade bait since he can play all IF positions.  He has decent power as a IFer, decent defense.  He can be a starting SS, 3B for small market teams.  Sox can get involved in big name trade and Lowrie will be in a package.


    Paps - Let him walk.  He became too expensive.  14 mil or more for a closer?  I think signing Heath Bell is more efficient.  Give Bell 3 yrs.  He will be alot cheaper option.  Bell dominated NL as a closer for recent years and he will be for few more years to come. 


    Youk - same with Jed.  He should be traded.  If Sox wants a big name guy, then Youk will be involved in a trade talk.  He also hinted that IF Sox don't want him anymore, he wants to play for his hometown (the Reds).  He's accepting the fact that his value in Boston is diminishing every year.  This offseason is the best time to trade him before he gets serious injury.  (I still think trading him to Cards for Wainwright is the best idea)


    Beckett/ Lackey - give them at least spring training, or early season.  See how they are doing.  If they show some signs of struggle, then it's not too late to trade them.  If Sox trade them before next season starts, then Sox have to find two starting pitchers (good ones). 


    Tek - he should come back as our bench coach period. 


    Wake - he shoud come back as our minors' bench coach.

     
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    For some reason they gave Crawford the money they should have been saving for Ellsbury. It's as if Theo knew that he could hamstring the BoSox for six years on the way out the door. Is he that smart?
     
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    [QUOTE]For some reason they gave Crawford the money they should have been saving for Ellsbury. It's as if Theo knew that he could hamstring the BoSox for six years on the way out the door. Is he that smart?
    Posted by futbal[/QUOTE]

    Futbal, if they would've known Ells was going to have the year he had, they wouldn't have crazily overpaid Crawford.  Now what do they do?  They can't commit $40+ mil to two positions, can they?  I always thought that the Crawford signing was to hedge against Ellsbury leaving.  I know they play different OF positions, but their game is essentially the same. 

    I like your theory on Theo, but he's going to the NL, and I bet he's thought about the Cubs job on occasion.  If he can make them a winner, he'll go down as a top tier GM despite this past season. 
     
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    Release Lackey.

    Don't re-sign Varitek and Wakefield

    Bring back Scutaro.

    Only use Lowrie as DH against LHP.

    Gamble and don't re-resign Ortiz. 

    Sign Michael Cuddyer.


     
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    [QUOTE]I would keep them all, except for Lackey, since he's so hated here. That can't be good for him or the team. Also, as much as I hate to say this, Papi's shout out to the Yankees, to me, means he should follow his heart and go there. If you want to say things that you know will hurt your fanbase and your team, then you can't possibly care that much about them. JMO I think Youk should be DH, since third base seems to be neutralizing him. I would be happy if we got a good third baseman to replace him there.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    Kim, I agree on Papi.  He could've taken the high road and said "it was a tough year, some things need to change around here, and if I'm not back for any reason it's been a great run in Boston for me."  His Yankee quote is presumptive -- like they're gonna overpay for him -- and in bad taste for a guy who was nothing before he came to Boston. 
     
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    HRamirez? Have we learned nothing from this past season? He is nothing but trouble. Ortiz has to go, wont run out ground balls! Paps i would like to keep but at reasonable price, I hope Ben is already gauging what the market is going to be for a closer. Scut must be kept, someone said he cant play 3rd,why? Youk can DH and fill in. Lackey is gone. Beckett i would try to get a feel to see if he has any remorse if not i would give him away. He would be a cancer if he has last years attitude . Actually it seems he has always had a bad attitude. Lowrie is cheap to keep and has value. Keep him unless you can get a rotational pitcher. I have always been an Els fan but i do think he is going back to West Coast in 2 years. No one can say if he should be traded without knowing what you will get. Tek HAS to go,enough said. Wake is my question mark. He eats innings, isnt any worse than most 5 or 6 pitchers and he is cheap. He does however wear down our catcher.  Salty and RL should be our catchers. We need to get some pitching and that is where I hope they concentrate
     
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    Don't just release Lackey---wait it out---see what people will offer. Theo doesn't have a corner on bad contracts--he may have had more than any other GM but he's not the only Lone Ranger.
    Someone will come along that needs a 5 th starter and will think his pitching coach can rehab Lackey. This GM may have a bad contract or two that could help us:
    Rios, Soriano, Wells, Bay, the beat goes on, there are more.
    The Padres have Orlando Hudson they want to unload--we don't need him --but that's a possibility out there---put him together with Casey Kelly and Rizzo--let's make a deal for a legit transaction instead of paing all $40 M of Lackey's salary.--perhaps in a year with PawSox Rizzo could be a right fielder and a DH and sub 1 b.
    Patience is the word.
     
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    The most important things to do this season, is if they decide not to bring back Paps, Papi, Varitek or Wake, especially the last three, you send them off as the Boston sports heroes they are. This club has been horrible as of late with everyone they let go with the exception of Millar. Everyone else has a bad taste in their mouths, as do the fans, justified or not. They made a little headway with bringing Nomar back and all that, and then flushed it all down the drain with all this craziness with Tito and Theo. Doing it the right way with these four would be a big step toward repairing that image.
     
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    [QUOTE] The Padres have Orlando Hudson they want to unload--we don't need him --but that's a possibility out there---put him together with Casey Kelly and Rizzo--let's make a deal for a legit transaction instead of paing all $40 M of Lackey's salary.--perhaps in a year with PawSox Rizzo could be a right fielder and a DH and sub 1 b. Patience is the word.
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    I agree with everything up until here. Why on earth would the Padres trade the two big players they just got in return for Adrian Gonzalez for John Lackey? That makes no sense at all.
     
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    [QUOTE]This is just fodder for discussion.  I'm taking the viewpoint that some players on this team MUST be traded, some may not be re-signed for various reasons and some are nearing the end of their arbitration life.   These are players that for various reasons may or may not be here next year.   Curious to see who makes a case for them to stay or go, and who could possibly replace them.        David Ortiz:   Is he a leader or the me-first diva that he seemed to be over the last month of the season?   He’s the face of the team, and he had a good season at DH.   But he’s just a DH and he’ll likely want multiple years at pretty big money.    This year was good, the year before that he was on the verge of being released.   Tough call – does the next GM take a deep breath and give him multiple years? Marco Scutaro:     Was one of the few Sox players who actually thrived in the pressure of September.   Decent offensive production, mediocre range and defensive player.    Is 35, but Iglesias is not yet ready to assume the full time SS position.   Team option?   Jed Lowrie:    A perennial tease, good offensive   potential but constantly hurt.   Can play multiple positions, can be productive offensively but where does he play every day?   SS or 3B?   Is he better than the current options?   Reportedly a standoffish or aloof player (not my opinion) that doesn’t meld very well with the current roster. Jacoby Ellsbury:   Proved that last year was a fluke and that he is a dynamic offensive player.    Played in 158 games, and was consistently among the league’s best offensive threats.   Good but not great defensive CF’er with average arm.     Next year is his last arb year and his trade value will never be higher.   Can the Sox justify paying two OF’ers $20+ mil per year.   Agent is Scott Boras, alas no hometown discounts and he will undoubtedly hit free agency.            Jonathan Papelbon:   Picked a good time to have a good year going into FA.    Disappointing in September, but was a stand up man in the bad times.   Proven performer in a tough division and tough media market.    Other decent closers on the market this year, and he could price himself out of Boston quickly.   Based on what the Sox paid Jenks and the fact that if they whiff in FA their in-house closing options are limited, Sox should make a push to sign him.   Does he want to be here?   Will he be happy with what he’s offered here?   On record as saying he wants to set the contract bar for closers.   He just may.   Kevin Youkilis:    Trending downward a bit, mostly due to injuries.   Can he play 3B for 130+ games over the next few years?   Can easily DH and play 3B and 1B in a pinch, an invaluable asset.    Can’t see him going anywhere.            Josh Beckett:     Talented pitcher with baggage.   Ace when he wants to be, can be very average or worse.   Are the Sox going to get the Beckett of 2010 or 2011 going forward?   Has trade value.   Has he worn out his welcome?    Would a trade be addition by subtraction, or is he a staff workhorse going forward.   John Lackey:     Among the worst starting pitchers in baseball, statistically.   Dubious that he can handle pitching in Boston and the AL East.   Not much trade value, severely damaged reputation, probably beyond reclamation.   Is it fish or cut bait time?   Jason Varitek:      Part of an offensively average catching duo.     Is he still the leader he was?   Is he a crutch for guys like Beckett?    Are the Sox better of going with Salty and seeing what they have in Lavarnway?   Tim Wakefield:    150 innings but a 5+ ERA.   Time for a new #5 in the rotation?    Andrew Miller as an alternative doesn’t give much confidence.  
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Hot stove primer -- who is on the trading block and who won't be re-signed? : Futbal, if they would've known Ells was going to have the year he had, they wouldn't have crazily overpaid Crawford.  Now what do they do?  They can't commit $40+ mil to two positions, can they?  I always thought that the Crawford signing was to hedge against Ellsbury leaving.  I know they play different OF positions, but their game is essentially the same.  I like your theory on Theo, but he's going to the NL, and I bet he's thought about the Cubs job on occasion.  If he can make them a winner, he'll go down as a top tier GM despite this past season. 
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn[/QUOTE]

    Whenever discussing Ellsbury one always has to factor into the equasion, with Scott Boras as his agent, he will not sign an extension and will test free agency...Where the odds of him signing with another team are better then 80-20...Especially if he follows up last year with another monster year 310-380-520-900 with 25 bombs and 40 steals from the leadoff spot and then again in 2013...teams will be lining up to sign him and my guess is that he has his eyes on a west coast team being from Oregon...

    Crawford contract will not be what prevents them from making him a market offer or retaining him...They've got plenty of cash to afford three 20M dollar players.

     

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