HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
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HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 9:18 AM EDT
- Bill-806
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ALL THAT SPEED AND IT IS NOT BEING USED !!! -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 9:33 AM EDT
- BurritoT
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Elles has been awesome all year... I didn't even know Crawford was on the team, thought he was still in Florida. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 9:36 AM EDT
- theYAZZER
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well bill,
in the case of jd crawford, you can't steal 1st base.
if the SOX didn't have CRAWFORD, they'd be a better team.
nice job again, theo the tool. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 9:42 AM EDT
- DirtyWaterLover
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Who leads the AL in sacrifice hits? Anyone? Bueller? Could it be KC?
Who leads the AL in steals? Could it be KC?
I think the Red Sox offense should definitely immulate one of the worst teams in baseball.
The Red Sox lead the league in BA. They should be able to score 1 run without having to manufacture a run. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 9:53 AM EDT
- Alibiike
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Because of the mindset of Francona. He is not an aggresive manager, counting on the extra base hit to win games. There wer several times over the weekend where he had runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, and would not sacrifice. He rarely puts on the hit and run, and hitters are geared toward OBP rather than run production. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:02 AM EDT
- Your-Echo
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Red Sox have been conservative on the bases for decades. One would think that oldtimer fans would be especially cognizant of this. The Red Sox strategy is dictated by Moneyball, Bill James, and the FO. Hasn't this subject been beaten into the ground in here over and over again. One would think that the answers would finally register in your brain but then again perhaps those who continue to rehash this are merely trolling. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:03 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:Because of the mindset of Francona. He is not an aggresive manager, counting on the extra base hit to win games. There wer several times over the weekend where he had runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, and would not sacrifice. He rarely puts on the hit and run, and hitters are geared toward OBP rather than run production.
Posted by Alibiike
I agree with you - up to a point. It's not the mindset of Francona, it's the game philosophy of the organization to not give up 1/3 of an offensive inning just to move runners 90'. And that philosophy gets borne out by doing a cost/benefit analysis of the sacrifice. This team plays by the numbers rather than on hunches. (I'll never forgive Grady Little for his "hunch" BTW)
But I'm like you. I think there's a time and a place for everything, and when you're in a game against a pitcher who's "got it" that day you need to be able to MANUFACTURE runs.
The thing is....
Were it not for an outstanding catch of Crawford's fly ball in the 9th the Sox would have WON that game 1-0. Sometimes baseball is like that. :-(
As an aside here, I wish the Sox had been playing the Y's yesterday. There's NO WAY Granderson catches that ball! -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:08 AM EDT
- emp9
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I agree with your question. I don't have an answer to it, but I agree. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:13 AM EDT
- pinstripezac32
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a head in ____ post
[QUOTE]Who leads the AL in sacrifice hits? Anyone? Bueller? Could it be KC? Who leads the AL in steals? Could it be KC? I think the Red Sox offense should definitely immulate one of the worst teams in baseball. The Red Sox lead the league in BA. They should be able to score 1 run without having to manufacture a run.
Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]
I think the Red Sox offense should definitely immulate one of the worst teams in baseball
both the yanks & rangers are way ahead of sox in SH & SB
bill has finally got one right
who would have thought that with both ells & craw
the sox would be 9th in SB while the ''to old yanks ''
have been leading the AL most of the yr -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:14 AM EDT
- emp9
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Come postseason, it's not gonna go down like that. THis conservative play is fine with the injury risks so I'll buy into that. Playoffs series? There's no room to not be aggressive.
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Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:20 AM EDT
- maxbialystock
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Crawford never got on base yesterday. Ellsbury got on once with a double and nobody (Pedroia) could drive him in.
Four players went hitless: Pedroia, Youkilis, Crawford, and Varitek. The Sox scattered 7 hits over 11 innings, but couldn't put them together. Thus 0 for 8 with RISP. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 10:26 AM EDT
- Your-Echo
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In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:Crawford never got on base yesterday. Ellsbury got on once with a double and nobody (Pedroia) could drive him in. Four players went hitless: Pedroia, Youkilis, Crawford, and Varitek. The Sox scattered 7 hits over 11 innings, but couldn't put them together. Thus 0 for 8 with RISP.
Posted by maxbialystock
It sounds like you watched the game while the doom and gloomers did not. Pinstripe is just here to compare Yank and Sox stats and do his troll act. He likes to revert the thread to a pizzin contest much like his troll tag team buddy Babe. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 11:00 AM EDT
- emp9
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Just saying, the Sox have played conservative all year. Pedrioa is the only player that's been on par with past years. If teams expect the Sox to not turn it on in the post season or worse... think they don't have the weapons for it are going to be sorely mistaken. This is the fastest Red Sox team I've ever witnessed and they're not even trying yet. No doom and gloom here. Division would be nice, but this team is built for the post season.
I wish it got here already. I'm enduring the formality is all. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 12:04 PM EDT
- Your-Echo
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In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME???? : shut up, fool!
Posted by --theYazzer--
Boss has his eye on you at work. First post at brown bag time. No more slacking all day long anymore?
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Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 12:05 PM EDT
- pinstripezac32
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Pinstripe is just here to compare Yank and Sox stats and do his troll act. He likes to revert the thread to a pizzin contest much like his troll tag team buddy Babe.
come on pike, try to keep up
I was defending one poster who was
being ridiculed by a poster with his head up in is -___
while sticking on the thread topic
how's that trolling -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 12:06 PM EDT
- Granite2000
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Ellsbury doing great all season. Crawford, not so much. Or not at all, really. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 12:33 PM EDT
- emp9
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In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME???? : hey your-aho, SOX aren't gonna make the playoffs. why don't you preheat your oven to 400 and then jump in. stay in the oven for about 1 hour. you'll be a much improved person when you get out.
Posted by --theYazzer--
Wow! Put the Nazi Handbook away would ya'?!
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Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 12:52 PM EDT
- Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188
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In Response to HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:ALL THAT SPEED AND IT IS NOT BEING USED !!!
Posted by Bill-806
Crawford has to get on base first, ya know -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 3:58 PM EDT
- LloydDobler
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In Response to HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:ALL THAT SPEED AND IT IS NOT BEING USED !!!
Posted by Bill-806
Did Dad say that, too? -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 4:00 PM EDT
- SpacemanEephus
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In Response to HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:ALL THAT SPEED AND IT IS NOT BEING USED !!!
Posted by Bill-806Why, did they find a bunch of greenies in the clubhouse leftover from '83? I wouldn't touch that stuff either. -
Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????
posted at 9/6/2011 5:37 PM EDT
- Bill-806
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In Response to Re: HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME????:In Response to HOW CAN YOU HAVE ELLSBURY & CRAWFORD, AND NOT SCORE 1, 2, OR 3 RUNS A GAME???? : Why, did they find a bunch of greenies in the clubhouse leftover from '83? I wouldn't touch that stuff either.IT'S CALLED.... "KEEP THE LINE MOVING" !!!!!!
Posted by SpacemanEephus