How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

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    How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    There is nothing in Crawford's numbers that would indicate he'd have a year like this.  His average and stolen base numbers are pretty consistent and power has increased over the years.  I admit I'm not crazy about his K to BB ratio, but there is no way Theo saw this coming.  Is he hurt? pressing? shy?  This is where Magadan needs to make a difference; get in the cage and get to work. ( see stats below)


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    YearAgeTmLgGPAABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+TBGDPHBPSHSFIBBPosAwards
    199917TBD-minRk6027826062831440251741347.319.350.404.754 10551130PRI · APPY
    200018TBD-minA13560956499170211165755932102.301.342.410.751 23113911CHS · SALL
    200119TBD-minAA1325855376414724345136203690.274.323.352.675 18934622ORL · SOUL
    200220TBD-minAAA85383353591051797522682069.297.335.456.791 16152445DHM · IL
    200220TBDAL63278259236711623095941.259.290.371.6617796036107 
    200321TBDAL15166163080177189554551026102.281.309.362.6718122851134*78/D 
    200422TBDAL1526726261041852619115559153581.296.331.450.78110528221462*78/DAS
    200523TBDAL156687644101194331515814682784.301.331.469.800111302115561*7/8D 
    200624TBDAL15165260089183201618775893785.305.348.482.83011328984923*7/D8MVP-26
    200725TBDAL143624584931843791180501032112.315.355.466.820117272115125*7/DAS
    200826TBRAL1094804436912112108572573060.273.319.400.718891771020517/8D 
    200927TBRAL15667260696185288156860165199.305.364.452.81611627478251*7/DAS
    201028TBRAL15465760011018430131990471046104.307.356.495.85113629723353*7/DAS,MVP-7,GG,SS
    201129BOS-minAAA2651100010011.200.333.200.533 100000PAW · IL
    201129BOSAL9539237047921757381551674.249.285.378.6637814043211*7/D 
    10 Seasons133057755362812157223211011163042495309842.293.334.440.77310523576035333621  
    www.baseball-reference.com/about/bat_glossary.shtml#162_avg">162 Game Avg.1627036539919128131477521238103.293.334.440.77310528774443  
                               
    TBR (9 yrs)123553834992765148021510510459240990293768.296.337.444.78110722175632313520  
    BOS (1 yr)9539237047921757381551674.249.285.378.6637814043211  
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Sorry about stats; I'm old and suck at this.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Wow, I thought it was a questionable signing.  Even with him playing well he was not a good fit. I like him but he is a disaster and so overpaid there is noprecedent.  Cliff Lee could have been here for god's sake.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    1) After guys like Renteria wilted under the spotlight, it's not like the possibility of CC doing the same was entirely remote. (Not that the reason he is off to a slow start is because of the "spotlight" per se.)

    2) There were several of us on this site who were against the signing and would still be even if he was having his average type season right now.

    3) I don't recall anyone saying he'd have a sub .700 OPS, so nobody was "lucky".

     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Concord, were you here in the forum at all during the Red Sox winning streak and better times or do you just come here in times like this? A reasonable question. No?
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    There is also nothing to indicate as you say, that Crawford will repeat this season over and over again. Everyone has bad years and to think this is Crawford going forward is silly and wrong.

    Even if he were doing better I still think the signing was bad, but that does not make him a "flop".
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]There is also nothing to indicate as you say, that Crawford will repeat this season over and over again. Everyone has bad years and to think this is Crawford going forward is silly and wrong. Even if he were doing better I still think the signing was bad, but that does not make him a "flop".
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Not yet anyway.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

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    Posted by frankn[/QUOTE]

    Crawford needs to close his stance a bit.  His wide stance really makes it difficult to get around on a good fastball.  I have confidence Carl will turn things around but he certainly makes it more difficult on himself.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.


    He couldn't & I don't really think any of us did either.  It's a year to adjust to this situation.  What we do know is in Boston it's a completely different thing he's got himself into.  It can be tough and take a while to get used to it.  I still say let's give him time to adjust and hope there's a great chance he'll come alive in LCS or the Series.  If he does great things there it's a new ballgame..........'till next year.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    moonslav59 it would be one of the more astonishing things ever to happen to a player if Crawford continued at this pace throughtout his contract... it would be nealry impossible.

    Now your scaring me/.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Oh, I think he will turn it back around. He is still too young for this to be long-lasting. Plus, the guy works out like a madman. He'll revert to his old numbers, and I'll still say it was  bad deal.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Albatross! Get your Albatross here!!
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]Wow, I thought it was a questionable signing.  Even with him playing well he was not a good fit. I like him but he is a disaster and so overpaid there is noprecedent.  Cliff Lee could have been here for god's sake.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    Cliff Lee wanted to play for his favorite team as did Teixiera. Why do you always act like a Yankee fan?

     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    moon once Crawford does come back to norms where do you see him in the line-up for 2012 (with Elles and without).


     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Phil,
    As you can see I have done my share of posts and under one name on boston.com.  I love the Red Sox as well as the Celtics and Patriots, but I am often critical of these teams when glaring problems like this unfortunate lull the team is going through right now come into focus.  
    You seem polite and intelligent but if you are suggesting there is no point in discussing the team's problems you should ignore my posts and stop policing others.  We just have opposite view points.  When the team rights itself as I hope it can still do I will be less negative but not until then.  Lighten up this is what this BB is for  full discussion.  It is a free country and red sox love it or leave is not what this place is for.


     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]Oh, I think he will turn it back around. He is still too young for this to be long-lasting. Plus, the guy works out like a madman. He'll revert to his old numbers, and I'll still say it was  bad deal.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]Agreed. His career year stats made the contract a questionable decision.

    I am not sure Renteria was so sppoked by Boston. He played well in Atlanta, went on to Detroit and disappointed there. RAW biggest problems were defensive on a bad IF that soon after was torn out.

    I am at least 50% convinced that if Theo hadn't walked giving LL they reins for a few months that Renteria might now have been traded. His .721 OPS and 70 RBI weren't that bad. In fact offensively he was about the same player in Boston as he was the year before in St Louis. It was the 30 errors that were alarming and it has been over time that he has become known as a total bust.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]Phil, As you can see I have done my share of posts and under one name on boston.com.  I love the Red Sox as well as the Celtics and Patriots, but I am often critical of these teams when glaring problems like this unfortunate lull the team is going through right now come into focus.   You seem polite and intelligent but if you are suggesting there is no point in discussing the team's problems you should ignore my posts and stop policing others.  We just have opposite view points.  When the team rights itself as I hope it can still do I will be less negative but not until then.  Lighten up this is what this BB is for  full discussion.  It is a free country and red sox love it or leave is not what this place is for.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    concord27 regardless of posts total you must be new to this forum.

     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky. : Agreed. His career year stats made the contract a questionable decision. I am not sure Renteriawas so sppoked by Boston. He played well in Atlanta, went on to Detroit and disappointed there. RAW biggest problems were defensive on a bad IF that soon after was torn out. I am at least 50% convinced that if Theo hadn't walked giving LL they reins for a few months that Renteria might now have been traded. His .721 OPS and 70 RBI weren't that bad. In fact offensively he was about the same player in Boston as he was the year before in St Louis. It was the 30 errors that were alarming and it has been over time that he has become known as a total bust.
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]


    It was more than just the errors. His perceived mental toughness (adjusting to Boston's fanatical fan-base) was questioned.
    LaRussa warned him of it at the time of the signing.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    In Response to Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.:
    [QUOTE]Phil, As you can see I have done my share of posts and under one name on boston.com.  I love the Red Sox as well as the Celtics and Patriots, but I am often critical of these teams when glaring problems like this unfortunate lull the team is going through right now come into focus.   You seem polite and intelligent but if you are suggesting there is no point in discussing the team's problems you should ignore my posts and stop policing others.  We just have opposite view points.  When the team rights itself as I hope it can still do I will be less negative but not until then.  Lighten up this is what this BB is for  full discussion.  It is a free country and red sox love it or leave is not what this place is for.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    Great but the impression here is that you only post when you are in the "negative mode". That is not refreshing or a tonic to the forum since we have a hundred trolls, concern trolls, skeptics, cynics, pessimists, and chronic doom and gloomers who beat you to the punch every day and every hour. What good are your negative rants when they mirror all of those types? Your comments take a back seat to all of those people. The forum is starving for just a few positive posters. It seems like a cemetery around here. Can't you see the picture?

     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    It's called career averages, not "career high" or "trending up". Nothing lucky about it. Theo should abandon paying FA coming off career years, and then you wouldn't see Crawbust and 142M.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    if we could just give the 142 million to a charity....i mean CC's bank accounts
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Theo has an opportunity to apply the Crawford principle of evaulation to Ellsbury 2011 and lock him up for 8 years and 200 million.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Most of RSN is hoping for a reversal of the CC Woes. Others are more concerned abour their reputation and EGO on Globe BDC. The only other explanation for the motives and behavior of some on this forum is that they are employed by the Globe and are bent on increasing hits to the forum. It is becoming ore obvious every day here. The Globe depends on controversial columns and they determine that from these forums. Take note that the morning newspaper columnists are awake and in  the office right now and reading these posts for material. You really don't know for sure if you are responding to a troll or a Globe columnist, think about it.
     
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    Re: How could Theo have known Crawford would flop? If you did, you were just guessing and lucky.

    Theo is not expected to know whether a player will flop or not, it's all a bit of a calculated risk. However, fact 1. Crawford has a lousy arm. Usually outfielders that get $20 mil per year have a decent throwing arm. Fact 2. He never hit lefthanded pitching well. Fact 3. He was playing in almost obscurity in Tampa, totally out of the spotlight. Fact 4. he was coming off his career best year, and it didn't have superstar numbers. fact 5. The already had predominant Left handed line up needed a Righthanded power bat. 

    I don't make this stuff up, he was a bad signing. His play so far is not that of a bad signing, it is the play of a disastrous signing. His contract will block a roster spot for 6 more years. He signing was a huge mistake, time will tell exactly how bad it will stack up against other bad free agency contracts. My bet it's right up there with Mike Hampton. maybe worse, time will tell.

    He can't throw, his batting stance is a joke. He has no plate discipline ( they maybe able to get him to lay off unhittable pitches) You really wouldn't think they would have to train a guy the basics of hitting, when they signed him for $142 million . He has 29 extra base hits in 373 at bats, is that a fair sample? I think it is. Less than 15 stolen bases, 38 RBIS . If you don't think this cat is a bust so far, please put your head back in the sand.
     
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