HOW DO YOU GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS?

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    HOW DO YOU GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS?

    UNLIKE THE NFL, BASEBALL TEAMS CAN'T JUST PAYOFF THE GUARANTEED PART OF A CONTRACT AND SAY GOODBUY!  SO, SHORT OF HAVING A GUY KILLED , HOW DO YOU BEST GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS? LAMAR?  WHITFIELD?  HOW?
     
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    anyone, Bueller?
     
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    U dont, u live and learn
     
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    Let them expire or trade them.  End of options.

    the sad part is, most fans want to get rid of Lackey, Jenks, Crawford, etc. because they want the team to have the financial flexibility to sign other free agents, as if the results will be somehow different.

    It's like they keep saying "These free agents are awful! They do nothing! They're expensive! And the worst part is, we can't get any more of them!!"
     
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    Ask the Blue Jays.  They found takers for big chunks of bad contracts with Alex Rios and Vernon Wells.
     
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    How come no one ever asks how players can get out of bad contracts?.....when they're locked in a contract and they're playing way above their expected performance level.  I never hear anyone clamoring to rip up those contracts and have ownership raise the player's salary mid-contract.  MLB has it right -- a contract is a f'in' contract.  Both sides sign it -- both sides live with it for the term of the contract......end of story. ------------------------------------- Curt Schilling Deadbeat Fraud                                     
    Posted by bellhorn_


    You never heard of Rickey Henderson?
     
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    You have to whack them. It's the only way.
     
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    Simple math problem,  How much is he worth ove the  next 'x' numbers of season, and what can we get back?  Y'all invest too much emotion in this.
     
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    I really believe trading "bad" or marginal contracts for your team can result in "good" contracts for other teams. Yard Sales: One persons trash is another persons treasure is a truism. 

    Ex. CC is from Texas--trade him to the Astros for perhaps Wandy and a couple of other contracts they want to part with that BenC and Bobby think might help the Sox. CC is from the Houston area and may wind up being a super productive player and a good draw for them. We need a starter: Wandy might be the guy that makes us a contender. 

    I think we have three starters from Texas--it's a possibility all three might want to pitch close to home--let's find some common ground if they would want to pitch for the Rangers, Astros,  D'Backs,  the Twins or San Diego. If they decide to leave eventually as FA why not get someting of equal or greater value now.

    I don't think it's rocket science--it's just when you get ready to pull the trigger you think maybe CC will become the player we thought he would be, give it one more shot with him. The GM has to realize CC will wind up being everything the Sox wanted him to be after you trade him--he will be good. You have to be strong enough in your convictions, know in your heart what you are doing is right and make the trade and not look back. You have to always keep in mind why you said yes to the trade: to make the Red Sox a better team. Also know there will always be a certain % age that will question your decision. Theo must have questioned himself over the Nomar and Manny trades--those were part of Sox history-he made the right decision. You can leave a similar legacy.

    I believe a guy like Gabe Rios could be a very productive player in Boston--CC may need new scenery. The same with Buch. Let's make a deal.

    Moon has been making a case for the Sox trading for Zito in exchange for some of our bad contracts. Ben "Do it" if the Giants want to dance.


     
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    UNLIKE THE NFL, BASEBALL TEAMS CAN'T JUST PAYOFF THE GUARANTEED PART OF A CONTRACT AND SAY GOODBUY!  SO, SHORT OF HAVING A GUY KILLED , HOW DO YOU BEST GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS? LAMAR?  WHITFIELD?  HOW?
    Posted by REBEL


    You don't. You just get rid of the "Boy Wonder" who signed them and move on. We are on the road to recovery, but it may take a while.
     
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    AGree with half of these posters.  There is nothing that Boston can do.  Maybe they can still trade them and eat up possible of 50 to 75% of their salaries.

    But if Crawford and Lackey come back healthy, and become a top 10 to 15 players for the 2013 season, Boston, if they are lucky, can trade both of them without eating up any of their salary.  But it is more likely Boston may take high paid contract player in return only he is healthy and a worthy player.  Such as Werth of Nats, etc.


     
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    Let them expire or trade them.  End of options. the sad part is, most fans want to get rid of Lackey, Jenks, Crawford, etc. because they want the team to have the financial flexibility to sign other free agents, as if the results will be somehow different. It's like they keep saying "These free agents are awful! They do nothing! They're expensive! And the worst part is, we can't get any more of them!!"
    Posted by notin


    Excellent post, Notin.  I'm OK with letting them expire, as long as the FO doesn't turn around and make other crazy signings.
     
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    Let them expire or trade them.  End of options. the sad part is, most fans want to get rid of Lackey, Jenks, Crawford, etc. because they want the team to have the financial flexibility to sign other free agents, as if the results will be somehow different. It's like they keep saying "These free agents are awful! They do nothing! They're expensive! And the worst part is, we can't get any more of them!!"
    Posted by notin


    Now that Theo is no longer running the team, you can expect better choices re: free agents.  Free agents/trades should make up 2/3 of our ballclub.  We are a big market team.

    Small market teams have to rely on homegrown players.  We dont have to.  Its a great thing.
     
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    Simple:  Call Arte Moreno.
     
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    In Response to Re: HOW DO YOU GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS? : Excellent post, Notin.  I'm OK with letting them expire, as long as the FO doesn't turn around and make other crazy signings.
    Posted by Yukon-Cornelius


    And therein lies the problem. They have to make other crazy signings. They really have no choice.

    Free agency is bad for baseball. Fans on this site whine about Epstein’s contracts as if his success rate is outside of the norm. Giving in excess of $10mill annually for a long period to a player over 30 with a minimum of 6 years of wear and tear is a recipe for disaster for any and every GM. Not every signing will work out as well as Manny Ramirez. But then, that is because not every free agent is only 27 years old with Cooperstown talent. Manny was probably about the biggest no-brainer in the history of free agency. The only question was whether or not a team had the resources to meet his price. (A-Rod is the only real competition for this honor.)

    The rest of free agency serves two purposes, and neither are all that closely related to actual baseball on the field. First, they stimulate fan interest and provide PR with a display of commitment. Let’s face it, fans get excited when the team is willing to spend money on proven (albeit post prime) baseball talent as opposed to spending it on European automobiles and renting Caribbean islands for spouses’ birthday parties. It’s for Public Relations and a display they care about the team, which the Red Sox are certainly want to do. (Like when they pressed the Cubs for top tier player compensation for Epstein. Had they simply taken the proffered monetary compensation, they would look like greedy owners apathetic towards baseball.) It’s like the NFL Draft in a way. It’s very, very rare for a team to completely rejuvenate themselves with a singular draft and actually become competitive, but fans of the weaker teams get excited to see the influx of new talent amidst a boatload of pomp and circumstance. Most first round picks actually fall in somewhere between “marginal” and “bust”, but those picks are still treated like gold, and on Draft Day, they’re all Pro Bowlers who generate enough excitement to increase ticket sales and most definitely not worth trading for proven players not blessed with monolithic levels of “potential.”. Ironically, NFL free agency is a far, far better way to improve a team, but is comparatively ignored, largely due to the inability to market it similarly. I mean, how could you even televise THAT?

    The other purpose of MLB free agency is simply to stave off more lawsuits. If every team did the smart thing and avoided mega-contracts, the MLBPA would cry “Collusion!!” (which they actually do almost every year anyway, but it gets hard to prove in the face of the contracts being doled out). “Collusion” is the scariest word an owner can hear, as they have already lost 3 lawsuits for this reason, resulting in damages exceeding anything that a singular free agent can bring. The last two MLB expansions (Colorado and Florida in 1993, Arizona and Tampa in 1997) were a direct result of having to pay off collusion settlements. Owners find it easier to simply dole out the occasional mega-contract, which at least has the potential for SOME return on investment, and also allows them to maintain a better bargaining position when the inevitable CBA negotiations arise.

    The financial aspect of MLB essentially boils down to several hundred people trying to figure out how to divide up several billion dollars and make everyone happy. Free agency in baseball is really just the players compensation for dividing up their share of the money. It’s not going away and cannot be avoided. It’s the owners’ duty to stay involved. So, yes, there will be other bad mega-contracts. I think Benjamin Franklin said it best – “The only things that are certain in life are death, taxes, and large market baseball teams signing unproductive free agents for far more money than they will ever be worth that lead to a litany of complaints from fans.” Look it up…

     
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    In Response to Re: HOW DO YOU GET RID OF BAD CONTRACTS? : Now that Theo is no longer running the team, you can expect better choices re: free agents.  Free agents/trades should make up 2/3 of our ballclub.  We are a big market team. Small market teams have to rely on homegrown players.  We dont have to.  Its a great thing.
    Posted by Drewski5


    What are you basing that on, besides wishful thinking? Look around the league and tell me who all of these successful free agents being brought in by other teams are. And how many did that team have to sign to find one?

    I’d rather rely on homegrown players and players acquired via trade, with maybe free agents brought in to fill a short term role. THAT is the best use of free agency, and actually when signing short term gap fillers, Epstein had a very good success rate. Think Bill Mueller, David Ortiz, Bronson Arroyo (technically a waiver claim), Mike Timlin, Julian Tavarez . A team composed of 16 high priced players acquired via free agency is destined for mediocrity at best. There might be a season or two of short term success, but it will definitely all crash down, and probably at once. Teams have tried to build this way, and it has lead to far, far more failures than successes. And even the successes were short-lived. Hopefully you would have these free agents as short term role fillers, like in the bullpen, the bench and maybe a starter or starting position player or two brought in short term. But as this thread deals with “bad contracts” we presumably are not talking about the Kelly Shoppach’s and Nick Punto’s of the world, but rather the real hamstringers. Like Punto or not, he is hardly a real financial burden the team needs to wait out.

    In fact, some of the free agents fans actually hold against Epstein – prime examples being Clement and Drew – were brought in on shorter deals than the others on the market. That alone should be considered a success. Drew is off the books and enjoying retirement, but fellow free agent class members Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee are still financial albatrosses with barely passable production as both lead their respective teams in a battle for domination of the NL Central cellar. And Soriano, along with Vernon Wells (who signed an extension that same year, but was never technically a free agent) will continue in this role for two more seasons beyond this one.

    It’s odd to me that Clement is viewed as this horrific failure as a free agent signing despite the following facts. 1) He was incredibly solid out of the gate, making the All Star team his first season in Boston, and 2) he was only signed for 3 years when other starting pitchers were getting 4 and 5 year deals. Really, Clement’s downfall was trying to pitch through injuries (and not so much the line drive to the head, as he was more effective after it than he had been before, though it may have had lingering fear effects). I really don’t think the GM should be held accountable for a player getting injured down the road. If the bar is set that way, why is Keith Foulke and his one good season not considered another free agent bust? He was about as effective as Clement for one season, and then fell completely apart. Or is Foulke considered above consideration because he was part of a better and more successful team?

     
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    Signing MLB contracts is like signing your life away to GMs.
     
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    you eat them.
    iirc the metropolitans will be paying a bobby bonita salary until 2018.
     
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    You offer millions to good ole boy, Tim Wastefield.
     
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    How do you get rid of Bad Contracts?

    You take the Cubs GM job and suddenly all those bad contracts you signed just vanish.
     
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    How do you get rid of Bad Contracts? You take the Cubs GM job and suddenly all those bad contracts you signed just vanish.
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards


    Best Post of the Day!

    (Although Theo is actually the President, not the GM - he got a promotion out of it - what a game!)
     
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