how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    His fame is a product of being in the largest media market in the world.

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    Where the heck did that 401st number come from. 

    Jeter is a cumulative 72 WAR in his career, and that's just regular season of course.

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    Who ranked him 401st??? what are you talking about, and can you provide a link?

    Also this is baseball, not Basketball, not football.  A Jordan, or A Brady can't pick up a team and practically carry them into the playoffs in baseball.  Jeter played next to a star studded, best money can buy team and It is ludicrious to penalize a guy for playing around crappy teams.   Again, it is different in baseball, If you put Jeter on the Bluejays for his entire career then how many rings does he have???  ZERO, that's how many.

    Would he still be a HOFer and one of the best offensive SS in history? yes. 

    And I get it too, you can't dismiss the rings as well, but you can't penalize another guy for not having them.  If you reincarnated Babe Ruth and made him an Astro........the Astros would still stink.  One guy can't change a franchise.

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    In response to jam789123's comment:
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    His fame is a product of being in the largest media market in the world.

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           Not really.

           He could have played his entire life in Japan and people in the US would be wearing his jersey.

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

     



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    His fame is a product of being in the largest media market in the world.

     
    what's up HH


    seriously jam


    tell us how playing in ny helps one get 3000 hits


    how many 3K hitters R a secret


    ever hear of Tony Gwynn


     


     

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    In response to Hingham Hammer's comment:
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    In response to jam789123's comment:
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    His fame is a product of being in the largest media market in the world.

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           Not really.

           He could have played his entire life in Japan and people in the US would be wearing his jersey.

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    Yeah maybe a couple, in the same way that someone somewhere in America is wearing a jersey of an unknown Japanese player.  

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    In response to djcbuffum's comment:
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    Quick. Without looking it up, who is the all-time hits leader for Nippon Pro Baseball?

     

    I don't know who it is, but I guarantee that person is far less well known in the U.S. than Derek Jeter. 

     

    If Jeter had played for the Astro's he'd be about as well known as Craig Biggio. That is, most baseball fans who follow the game daily would know who he is and how good he was, but the casual fans outside of Houston would have no idea. But because Jeter played for the Yankees, even my mother (who couldn't care less about baseball), knows who he is.

    [/QUOTE] and each day i thank the Stros' for passing on Jeter..oh, and the Reds...


     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    The Yankees cornered the market on WS wins, but have had their fallow periods, especially the early years under Steinbrenner.  Two things helped turn that around:  staying with one manager, Joe Torre, and making Derek Jeter the franchise player.  When ARod, a SS, joined the team several years ago, he was a SS with better numbers than Jeter, but he immediately agreed to play 3B. 

    In the movie Fever Pitch the Jimmie Fallon character, the high school math teacher, says that you can't fake it in baseball.  You can either hit or curve or not.  You might be able to fake it for a game or even a season, but not for a career. 

    Jeter is the real deal and greatly admired by other MLB players, including guys now playing for the Sox.  His fielding may only have been average (or a little above or a little below), but he is a great hitter who always played smart. 

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    DiMaggio and Mantle got more press than Musial.

    Mays, Aaron and TW were somewhere in between.

    And if my grandmother had wheels...

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

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    His fame is a product of being in the largest media market in the world.

     
    what's up HH

     

    seriously jam

     

    tell us how playing in ny helps one get 3000 hits

     

    how many 3K hitters R a secret

     

    ever hear of Tony Gwynn

     

     

     

     

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    Take a look at Gwynn's last all star game appearance and tell me about the reception he got Zac....then review Jeter's.  The media market is a huge reason for that....sorry but it's true...

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    Take a look at Gwynn's last all star game appearance and tell me about the reception he got Zac....then review Jeter's. The media market is a huge reason for that....sorry but it's true...


    greetings king


    I'm thinking slash would post this


    On June 28th, 2001, Tony Gwynn announced to the San Diego Padres and their fans that he will retire at the end of the season. Why did he wait until halfway through the season to announce it? He didn’t want all the “fanfare” of a farewell tour. What we are seeing with Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter is exactly what Gwynn didn’t want. That is the man he was. He was humble and it would have made him uncomfortable.


    http://friarsonbase.com/2014/06/28/day-padres-history-gwynn-announces-retirement/" rel="nofollow">http://friarsonbase.com/2014/06/28/day-padres-history-gwynn-announces-retirement/


    should I've said cal ripken


    it was his last yr 2 and he got all of the jeter like attention


    no talk of a smaller market there


    I not saying it hasn't help him


    but he would still be pretty famous just like all the other HOF


    then again is it more the large ny press or the 5 rings


     


    this post has been EDITED

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    that said now I'm reading there R those upset the tonys death got little /no attention last night

    so there's that

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    I would be interested to hear from the NYY posters, and I can't say that often


     


     Do you think Jeters farewell tour, with half the season still to go, has been over the top?


     


     

     
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    I would be interested to hear from the NYY posters, and I can't say that often

     

    Do you think Jeters farewell tour is a over the top?

     

     

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    of course it is

    but it has nothing to do with him

    ok slash it has very little to do with him

    surely a nesn watcher like U realizes

    everything is over the top

     
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    n response to J-BAY's comment:


    I would be interested to hear from the NYY posters, and I can't say that often


    Do you think Jeters farewell tour is a over the top? 


    of course it is


    BUt it has nothing to do with him


    ok slash it has very little to do with him


    surely a nesn watcher like U realizes


     everything is over the top



     ZAC, WHY MAKE IT A THE RED SOX/NYY THING


    MY QUESTION WAS MORE BECAUSE RIVERA'S WASN'T AND I'M WONDERING WHY OR WHY NOT


     

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    If Marty Marion had played in New York,people here would still know who he was.

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    ZAC, WHY MAKE IT A THE RED SOX/NYY THING

     

    while it might of sounded that way

    I was just using nesn as example of being experts of hyping things

     

    MY QUESTION WAS MORE BECAUSE RIVERA'S WASN'T AND I'M WONDERING WHY OR WHY NOT

    I strongly disagree with that

    as far as yes goes I would say mo got much more attention

    and suggest it might seem that way because of it's coming right after mo

    with nothing original about it

     
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    ZAC, WHY MAKE IT A THE RED SOX/NYY THING


     


    while it might of sounded that way


     


    I was just using nesn as example of being experts of hyping things


     


    MY QUESTION WAS MORE BECAUSE RIVERA'S WASN'T AND I'M WONDERING WHY OR WHY NOT


     


    I strongly disagree with that


     


    as far as yes goes I would say mo got much more attention


     


    nd suggest it might seem that way because of it's coming right after mo


     


    ith nothing original about it


     


     Zac as usual you're using it to take a swipe at the sox/nesn with the they are experts at hype.


    I wouldn't know becasue I dont watch YES, but I dont remember hearing nearly as much about Mo's farewell tour, as Jeters, nor do I remember the all star game being all about Rivera

     
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    Zac as usual you're using it to take a swipe at the sox with the they are experts at hype.

     

    U disagree that they are experts at hype?

    using that reasoning

    I could conclude U did the same thing

    using  your question about jete getting to much attention

    as a swipe to jeter

     

    none of the above has to do with my opinion that mo got a lot more attention

     

     
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    Zac as usual you're using it to take a swipe at the sox with the they are experts at hype.


    U disagree that they are experts at hype?


    sing that reasoning


    I could conclude U did the same thing


    using  your question about jete getting to much attention


    as a swipe to jeter


     one of the above has to do with my opinion that mo got a lot more attention



    Not at all, Zac. It actually came from a co worker who is a NYY fan, and made his usual stop in my office this morning, to talk baseball. He brought it up, after last nights ASG, and we had a civil conversation about it, which lead to my post/question. No where did I take a swipe at Jeter. Sorry I asked. I should have known better. Thanks for the response.


     

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

    NEW YORK -- Mariano Rivera's spikes crunched into the warning track as Metallica's "Enter Sandman" began its familiar strains over the public address system, accompanying the all-time saves leader for one last All-Star Game jog across the outfield grass.

    Rivera scaled the back of the mound, looked around, and realized he was completely alone on the playing field. For nearly two minutes, it remained that way, as players in both dugouts and bullpens kept their distance and applauded the 43-year-old's final appearance in the Midsummer Classic.

    "When I got to the mound, I saw both sides, both teams in the dugout, and it was amazing," Rivera said. "It almost made me cry, too. I was close. It was amazing -- a scene that I will never forget."

    ................................................ the festivities took on the form of a tribute to the game's elder statesman -- one that quite literally halted the game.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130716&content_id=53920516&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

     
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    Re: how is JETER ranked 401st out of 507 SS in the last 70 years? where does he rank all-time in his GENERATION?

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    gee, so many JABROS dont or cant read.. want y'all feedback on fact that FANGRAPH has jeter ranked as 401st best DEFENSIVE shortstop based on a ton of metrics! read the intro, its clear as day!

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    401st out of 507 SS defensively???   I'm surprised he's that high.   ;-)

     

     
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