How many times does Ortiz have to do this...

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    I find it hilarious that nobody even disputes his selfish outbursts...most are seemingly ok with it.

    Jock sniffing, ball washing, star worshipping clowns. I'm surrounded by them.

    It's not only about what you do, it's how you conduct yourself as well. 

    I guess I'm alone in that, as another poster already said his wish list has Ryan Braun at the top...if ever there was proof that only results matter, there it is. Ryan Braun is a cheating, selfish, arrogant a s s hole. He's proven that all by his big boy self.

     



    I think when we see how the world is deteriorating around us, we can not be so analretentive and let some chit slide man.  This isn't the ARod dillema, Aaron Hernandez serial killing, Alfonso Dennard violating probation from punching a cop, Otis Nixon arrested for crack, Lawrence Taylor the same.  This isn't Roger Clemens, Dennis Rodman, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Braun, Chad Ochocinco, Floyd Mayweather, Jr..  It is just nothing to get worked up over man.  There are bigger things to worry about and people doing much more offensive things IMO.

    If this were during the season, I would not take so kindly to it as I thought was unprofessional in the past.  The fact that Lester and Papi are talking contracts in the last year of their deal says that they value security over the most money possible and I don't mind that one bit.   We have paid Papi well over his career, but not to the levels that he could have been paid on the open market.  The dude is a beast and is one of the best Red Sox hitters of all time.

     



    I have the opposite feeling based on that very same point.

    As the world deteriorates around us...people just accept more and more chit, and the cycle is continued, and increased.

    Ted Williams, as far as I know, never whined about money. He didn't like PEOPLE. Different issue. I'm 33, so I wasn't around, but being a curmudgeon is one thing. Being "Big Papi" and taking all the positive that comes with it, then turning around and proving to be a consistently selfishly-motivated person...that kind of hypocrisy maddens me.

    On the Patriots forum, a poster commented that they would NEVER shake the hand of someone who just beat them, and couldn't understand why anyone would.

    I responded in 3 words, "It's called sportsmanship".

    They admitted to being a bad sport.

    Though I don't agree with their feelings, I RESPECT their honesty and up-front nature. 

    Ortiz is playing both sides. He's like some slimeball politician and I can't stand it.

    I would rather lose with honest guys I like than win with disingenuous, selfish frauds.

    You'd back Ortiz if he held the team hostage for 100 million(not you, someone said that)?

    The name on the FRONT matters...NOT the back.

    It's the BOSTON RED SOX.

    Not the BOSTON ORTIZ'.

    Or the ORTIZ' RED SOX.

    I can't believe I'm even having this argument. Boston didn't used to be all about this. Not winning a championship is a disappointment and a failure to Pats fans. Ortiz is bigger than the Sox to Sox fans...

    This is seriously fked up. The fans have gone bat s h i t fking CRAZY!



    Yes, you have. Why not become a Yank fan?

     
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    The Red Sox were around for 100 years before Ortiz. They will be around for more than 100 after.

    Sure, let's bring back the Sox of the 85 years before Papi.

     

    This guys is the greatest hero the Boston Red Sox has ever seen, and you clowns treat him like this.

    It's a wonder anyone wants to play in Boston with fans like some of you clowns.

     
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    I find it hilarious that nobody even disputes his selfish outbursts...most are seemingly ok with it.

    Jock sniffing, ball washing, star worshipping clowns. I'm surrounded by them.

    It's not only about what you do, it's how you conduct yourself as well. 

    I guess I'm alone in that, as another poster already said his wish list has Ryan Braun at the top...if ever there was proof that only results matter, there it is. Ryan Braun is a cheating, selfish, arrogant a s s hole. He's proven that all by his big boy self.

     

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    I think when we see how the world is deteriorating around us, we can not be so analretentive and let some chit slide man.  This isn't the ARod dillema, Aaron Hernandez serial killing, Alfonso Dennard violating probation from punching a cop, Otis Nixon arrested for crack, Lawrence Taylor the same.  This isn't Roger Clemens, Dennis Rodman, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Braun, Chad Ochocinco, Floyd Mayweather, Jr..  It is just nothing to get worked up over man.  There are bigger things to worry about and people doing much more offensive things IMO.

    If this were during the season, I would not take so kindly to it as I thought was unprofessional in the past.  The fact that Lester and Papi are talking contracts in the last year of their deal says that they value security over the most money possible and I don't mind that one bit.   We have paid Papi well over his career, but not to the levels that he could have been paid on the open market.  The dude is a beast and is one of the best Red Sox hitters of all time.

     

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    I have the opposite feeling based on that very same point.

    As the world deteriorates around us...people just accept more and more chit, and the cycle is continued, and increased.

    Ted Williams, as far as I know, never whined about money. He didn't like PEOPLE. Different issue. I'm 33, so I wasn't around, but being a curmudgeon is one thing. Being "Big Papi" and taking all the positive that comes with it, then turning around and proving to be a consistently selfishly-motivated person...that kind of hypocrisy maddens me.

    On the Patriots forum, a poster commented that they would NEVER shake the hand of someone who just beat them, and couldn't understand why anyone would.

    I responded in 3 words, "It's called sportsmanship".

    They admitted to being a bad sport.

    Though I don't agree with their feelings, I RESPECT their honesty and up-front nature. 

    Ortiz is playing both sides. He's like some slimeball politician and I can't stand it.

    I would rather lose with honest guys I like than win with disingenuous, selfish frauds.

    You'd back Ortiz if he held the team hostage for 100 million(not you, someone said that)?

    The name on the FRONT matters...NOT the back.

    It's the BOSTON RED SOX.

    Not the BOSTON ORTIZ'.

    Or the ORTIZ' RED SOX.

    I can't believe I'm even having this argument. Boston didn't used to be all about this. Not winning a championship is a disappointment and a failure to Pats fans. Ortiz is bigger than the Sox to Sox fans...

    This is seriously fked up. The fans have gone bat s h i t fking CRAZY!

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    I agree... you are going crazy over a minor point about Ortiz that you view as a larger issue with our current culture and where it is heading.  Why aren't you getting all bent out of shape about Lester saying the same thing?  It's ok if you don't like the man or his method of communication.  You think that he is a dishonest politician... most people familiar with the public eye are that way.  They are actors, entertainers and sportsmen. 

    Ted Williams wasn't the nicest guy, nor Cobb, Roger, Bonds and many other egomaniacal people in the entertainment or sports industry.  George Foreman used to be the villian and was brash like Jim Rice... both learned to mend the public image.  I don't turn off the TV when I see them on because sometimes perception is reality.  Have they turned into nicer guys, or are they just wiser?  Does that mean they are dishonest?  I think that Ortiz is being very honest and so was Lester and both gave the same message.  Ortiz chose different words and has a different personality, so I respect that.

    The best way to spread the positive energy you wish to portray is to keep the message positive.  There are people that don't have the same values as you in every area of life.  My girlfriend's family is from Vietnam and I am from Boston... the culture is different. 

    It is also difficult to speak in a non-native language and get the same meaning across.  I saw the same message that Ortiz got across as Lester... I'm sure if the message was given in Spanish that Lester would probably have some native speakers take his tone or afliction the wrong way talking about the same thing in reverse.

     
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    Re: How many times does Ortiz have to do this...

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    The Red Sox were around for 100 years before Ortiz. They will be around for more than 100 after.

    Sure, let's bring back the Sox of the 85 years before Papi.

     

    This guys is the greatest hero the Boston Red Sox has ever seen, and you clowns treat him like this.

    It's a wonder anyone wants to play in Boston with fans like some of you clowns.



    On one of these Ortiz threads, someone posted it's better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late. So if Ortiz struggles this year or gets hurt, does that mean it would have been better if the Sox had gotten rid of him before last season -- that would have been a year too early.

    I've been gone all day and the level of idiocy on these Ortiz theads is beyond ridiculous.

     

     
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    The Red Sox were around for 100 years before Ortiz. They will be around for more than 100 after.

    Sure, let's bring back the Sox of the 85 years before Papi.

     

    This guys is the greatest hero the Boston Red Sox has ever seen, and you clowns treat him like this.

    It's a wonder anyone wants to play in Boston with fans like some of you clowns.



    On one of these Ortiz threads, someone posted it's better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late. So if Ortiz struggles this year or gets hurt, does that mean it would have been better if the Sox had gotten rid of him before last season -- that would have been a year too early.

    I've been gone all day and the level of idiocy on these Ortiz theads is beyond ridiculous.

     



    Agreed.

    We are not going to sign Papi to a 3 or 4 year deal, so I don't get what all the fuss is about. We're talking maybe a year or two extension.

    Yeah, it would hurt to pay him $15-16M to not play (if injured) or to bat .240 15 60, but even if that does happen, the Papi legacy was worth every cent and then some.

     
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    Re: How many times does Ortiz have to do this...

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    ...the MOST disappointing thing is how much the fans enable, encourage, and seemingly SUPPORT this behavior. 

    I support Papi, yes!

    He has been the biggest Sox hero ever!

    I wish every Sox player would mirrored Papi's behavior in World Series.



    But do you wish every Sox player mirrored his behavior off the field?

    Is it a 3 or 4 year deal he's asking for? No. Funny, that was the same argument 3 year ago. And 4. and 5. and 6.

    You know, some people seem to forget...he didn't play great all those years. 

    He hasn't always been underpaid.

    But that never stopped his mouth. If this was the first time...maybe even only the 3rd or 4th time, I wouldn't mind so much. But this is a pattern of selfish behavior that is INDISPUTABLE. 

    Funny, I don't see anywhere Ortiz mentions "home team discount" or alludes to wanting anything less than an overpayment based on the current market. So, I don't see how Lester said the same thing.

    Become a Yankee fan? Yeah, because what I'M saying is just "PAY WHATEVER HE WANTS!" No, that's what YOU are saying Moon, along with many others. And THAT is EXACTLY how Yankee fans act. I can't believe something so ignorant and foolish came out of your mouth.

    When the team collapsed in 2011, where was he? When Valentine destroyed this team, where was he? He is NOT a clubhouse leader, I don't care what trumped up pre-game speeches he gives. After all that drama, he used the press again to say "Maybe I'll go to the NYY." Not, "maybe I'll go elsewhere", he specifically took a low blow s h o t and mentioned the NYY as the team he would explore going to. Damon anyone? And he didn't threaten that, he did it after Theo LAUGHED at him! Oh, but the fans couldn't accept that. They guy tried to, literally, run through walls for this team. But the Sox didn't want to pay him, the Yankees did...and he's the bad guy. This is the SAME SITUATION, and somehow, Ortiz is the good guy, and if he also went to the NYY, somehow...fans would boo the Sox over it.

    But I'M the crazy one.

    Red Sox fans have become the most out-of-touch, unlikable bunch of fans I know. I can not believe the insane star worship that goes on. It's like watching a bunch of teenagers drool over Bruno Mars.

    If you applied what Ortiz is doing to ANY other facet of life, none of you would accept it.

     
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    I really can't believe we're still talking about the RBI thing in -- what was it -- 2011? Seriously, some people act like that was a sin on the level of Manny shoving Jack McCormick to the ground.

    Is that supposed to prove for all time that Papi is a jerk? A clubhouse cancer?

    Have you ever heard that anyone on the RS has even whispered such a thing about him?

    Did you not watch last season? Did you not see the effect he had on his teammates in the playoffs?

    This is a silly discussion -- driven by the lack of much else to talk about, I guess. As to the question "How many times does Ortiz have to do this?" ...I hope a few more, because that would imply he will still be doing his thing and mashing the baseball for years to come. If having to listen to a less-than-tactful comment about his contract from time to time is the price you pay for getting to watch this man in a Red Sox uniform, sign me up.

     
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    If you applied what Ortiz is doing to ANY other facet of life, none of you would accept it.

    What would be the every day equivalent of carrying a team on your back to win a World Championship? 

    If a person is essential to a commercial venture they are richly rewarded, or they freely move on to another job where they are richly rewarded. They can do this as many times as a commercial venture is willing to pay.  Unless you are a Marxist you accept that.

     
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    "If you applied what Ortiz is doing to ANY other facet of life, none of you would accept it."

    Um, most sane people act the same way.

    "I had a great year. Give me a raise, or I'm going to work somewhere else."

    The only difference is we don't have reporters asking us about it.

    People complain when players give canned, bland responses.

    And they complain when players are honest about what they think.

     

    Some folks just like to complain...

     
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    Re: How many times does Ortiz have to do this...

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    The Red Sox were around for 100 years before Ortiz. They will be around for more than 100 after.

    Sure, let's bring back the Sox of the 85 years before Papi.

     

    This guys is the greatest hero the Boston Red Sox has ever seen, and you clowns treat him like this.

    It's a wonder anyone wants to play in Boston with fans like some of you clowns.




    That is a matter of opinion.  Gald is on our team but he is a diva.  Ted Williams is the greatest Red Sox of all time in my opinion.  He had to go thirty more feet in right for a homer, take time out for two wars and deal with one pair of spikes for the season with no trainers and terrible road conditions.

     
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    Red Sox fans have become the most out-of-touch, unlikable bunch of fans I know. I can not believe the insane star worship that goes on. It's like watching a bunch of teenagers drool over Bruno Mars.

    If you applied what Ortiz is doing to ANY other facet of life, none of you would accept it.

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    That may be so.  But if Sox fans (as if we have any collective ethos) are out-of-touch and unlikable, it is because we are so unbelievably quick to tear down our heroes, not because we love our sports heroes enough to overlook some insignificant off-season verbal diarhea about future contracts

     
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    So papi wants another year or 2? Not sure what all the hate is for. Some of you are pretty pathetic in your complaining about papi wanting another year or 2. get over it. If I carry a company on my back and they land some huge contracts (the equivilent to a WSC) I wpould certainly ask for a raise, contract, etc., or Im going elsewhere.

    Even if Papis last year here isnt up to his standards, I dont care. Hes earned another year. A reporter asked his some questions and he answered. Its not like he sought out the media to state his case. Im glad some of you dont run a team. Your egos would clearly get in the way.

     
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    Uh oh...looks like Pedroia is a cancer too!

    http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/01/28/dustin-pedroia-on-weei-podcast-david-ortiz-should-be-given-whatever-he-wants/

     
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    Ortiz deserves an extension.....HOF

     
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    It's collusion, is what it is!!

    Pedey will probably get a kick-back from Ortiz, when it's all over!

     
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    pedey is his agent.  jay-z was busy.....

     
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    pedey is his agent.  jay-z was busy.....



    Pedey:  I got 99 problems, but Papi stuntin' for an extension ain't one

     
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    ...the MOST disappointing thing is how much the fans enable, encourage, and seemingly SUPPORT this behavior. 

    I support Papi, yes!

    He has been the biggest Sox hero ever!

    I wish every Sox player would mirrored Papi's behavior in World Series.

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    But do you wish every Sox player mirrored his behavior off the field?

    It wouldn't matter one bit to me, and you assume that players that had a .300 OPS in the WS would ask to extend. Not going to happen.

     

    Is it a 3 or 4 year deal he's asking for? No. Funny, that was the same argument 3 year ago. And 4. and 5. and 6.

    You know, some people seem to forget...he didn't play great all those years. 

    He hasn't always been underpaid.

    Correct, but...

    He played great for all but about 2-3 years. Overall, he has been grossly underpaid compared to other players putting up those kind of numbers. Then there are all the WS and playoff heroics. He helped put the Sox back on the map.

    You may disagree with the fangraphs value calculation, but it is at least a close measurement of comparative value, especially since it overcounts fielding value to a large extent. Here is what they valued Papi at (and this is just regular season value!) (The ___ denotes end of contract

    2003 $8.9M  /Paid $1.25M  (-$7.7M)

    2004 $12.9M / $4.6M           (-$8.3M)

    2005 $17.3M / $5.25M

    2006 $19.8M / $5.25M        (-$26.4M)

    2007 $25.5M /$13M

    2008 $7.9M / $13M

    2009 $0.1M / $13M

    2010 $9.7M / $13M

    2011 $17.5M/ $12.5M        (+3.8M)

    2012 $12.9M/ $14.6M        (+1.7M)

    2013 $19M /$15M    (-$4M so far)

    2014  ???/  $11M               (???)

     

    The total value, not counting the value of playoff heroics has been about a $40M underpay.

     

    But that never stopped his mouth. If this was the first time...maybe even only the 3rd or 4th time, I wouldn't mind so much. But this is a pattern of selfish behavior that is INDISPUTABLE. 

    It's the American way. Perhaps, if they'd signed him to an 8 year deal like some players, it wouldn't have happened so often. Look, I have never criticized Sox management for not signing an aging player to a long term deal, especially after his sketchy seasons from age 32-34. I get why they have done what they have done, but I also get why Papi has fought for every dollar he can get. He has done unbelievably heroic things for many many years. His value to the Sox has been much much more than what fangraphs said it was.

    I am certain Sox management will do everything they can to make sure Papi retires a Red Sox, within reason. They will listen to Papi's ideas and determine if he is worth extending. They will factor in some for past performance and glory, as has been done for many a ML contract. They will factor in Papi's value as "the face of the franchise" and as a merchandising cash cow. They will probably extend him 1 year with maybe a second year buyout with incentives and a buyout. Maybe something like this:

    2015 $16M with a $1M incentive for 600+ PAs.

    2016: $13M club option with a $1M buyout and incentives of $1M for 500 PAs, $1M for 550, and $1M for 600+ PAs.

     

    Funny, I don't see anywhere Ortiz mentions "home team discount" or alludes to wanting anything less than an overpayment based on the current market. So, I don't see how Lester said the same thing.

    I didn't see Lester near singlehandedly leading the team to 3 rings either. You're missing a major factor here.

     

    Become a Yankee fan? Yeah, because what I'M saying is just "PAY WHATEVER HE WANTS!" No, that's what YOU are saying Moon, along with many others. And THAT is EXACTLY how Yankee fans act. I can't believe something so ignorant and foolish came out of your mouth.

    Stop the lies. I have never come close to saying "pay whatever he wants". Please go back and find anything I wrote even remotely close to your lie.

     

    When the team collapsed in 2011, where was he? When Valentine destroyed this team, where was he? He is NOT a clubhouse leader, I don't care what trumped up pre-game speeches he gives. After all that drama, he used the press again to say "Maybe I'll go to the NYY." Not, "maybe I'll go elsewhere", he specifically took a low blow s h o t and mentioned the NYY as the team he would explore going to. Damon anyone? And he didn't threaten that, he did it after Theo LAUGHED at him! Oh, but the fans couldn't accept that. They guy tried to, literally, run through walls for this team. But the Sox didn't want to pay him, the Yankees did...and he's the bad guy. This is the SAME SITUATION, and somehow, Ortiz is the good guy, and if he also went to the NYY, somehow...fans would boo the Sox over it.

    I never called Damon "the bad guy". I'm gald he didn't re-sign with the Sox. His best position on the Sox for those years woiuld have been LF or DH- and we had thos epositions pretty well covered already.

     

    But I'M the crazy one..

    That's the first step to recovery: admitting it.

     

    Red Sox fans have become the most out-of-touch, unlikable bunch of fans I know. I can not believe the insane star worship that goes on. It's like watching a bunch of teenagers drool over Bruno Mars.

    If you applied what Ortiz is doing to ANY other facet of life, none of you would accept it.

    Look what Oprah gets paid, then get back to me.

     
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    I respect your opinion.....  I certainly was "WRONG LAST YEAR"......   This certainly will be the "hot topic" going into  S T  !!!

    It seems to me that you refuse to be happy.  You whined all year about papi.  He had a great year, and we won the WS.  We haven't even started the new season, and you're whining about Papi already.

    1-Why not give him a one-year extension?  He's made the AS team 9-10 years.  He's won 3 WSC's with us.

    2-We extended Pedey and Buchholz, and are looking to extend Lester.  Isn't Papi as integral to our team.

    I'm beginning to wonder if there is some non-BB reason why you hate Papi so much.

     
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    It's the American Way?

    What? To be greedy? No wonder most of the world hates America if that's the 'American Way' and citizens embrace it so much.

    Whoever said it's how anyone would do it? Um, no. For those working as wage employees with no job security whatsoever...it's not even CLOSE to the same. MLB contracts are guaranteed. Ortiz doesn't run the risk of his "position being eliminated" or "laid off" or simply fired for no reason as an at-will employee, which most people are. 

    As for CONTRACTED people...if they start trying to renegotiate in the midst of the contract...their likely looking for new work. If you bring in a contractor, agree on a price to remodel your kitchen...and half way through he decides he's working TOO good, and TOO fast, and demands more money...do you pay him? If you do, I think you're an idiot. You'd sue for breach of contract.

    But, that's also not an exact somparison. Fact is, there is no direct comparison. It's basically, Ortiz agreed to something...now is whining about it. And he's done this numerous times over half a decade. You'd think he'd learn...or hire a new agent...or something. He keeps signing these deals, and then the whining starts. He went to free agency within the past few years...and NOBODY WANTED HIM except the Sox.

    The Red Sox are the ONLY team that pays big for a DH anymore, otherwise someone would have signed him. When Vlad was making 5mil a year as a comparable DH out west, Ortiz was cashing 8 figure salaries.

    Ortiz is the best DH in history. Jim Abbott is the best one-handed pitcher in history! What do they have in common? It's a competition of 1. Oh, wait...in Ortiz' case, a competition of 2. 

    Moon, I ALWAYS appreciate your thought out, well crafted responses. I applied the "pay whatever" thinking to you, upon review...I was incorrect. You did not say that. Everything else, I stand by. I want to respond...but the thought of quoting all that and trying to go through and respond as you do...it's more than I can tackle at the moment.

    The PLAYER I love, the public speaker I wish I never heard.

    If you overpay Ortiz...how do Pedroia and Lester now feel about their deals? What's Bogaerts and WMB and JBJ going to then be looking for? You ghave to be VERY careful when setting this kind of standard. It's a very slippery slope. WMBs agent does not care that he isn't Ortiz, he will use past dealings against the Sox.

    Ortiz, HIMSELF said it's a business. And it is. That being said...it's HORRIBLE BUSINESS TO GIVE A 38 YEAR OLD AN EXTENSION!

    The Sox did this just LAST YEAR and it was reportedly with the understanding Ortiz WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN. Well, a WS title later, he feels empowered, and the fans enable...so why not. I, for one, will not ever support such selfish behavior. I don't care if he was asked, or how he was...he's had more than ample time to figure out how to answer this without looking so greedy.

    Had he simply kept his mouth s h u t...could the Sox EVER let him just walk? The fans would flip the fk out. But, now he's opened his mouth as many times as he has...and he's created a division. Rather than Boston being 100% pro-Ortiz, he, HIMSELF, has created a minority segment of people, such as myself, who have grown sick of this process with him. I may be part of 20%, 10%, 5%...I don't know for sure...I DO know I'm not alone...and it's sad for Ortiz.

    Youk will go down as one of my favorites...he never wanted out. Pedroia is there right now. Lester almost got lost, but he's back in that group. Was Pesky the best Red Sox player of all time? Nope. Was he the most beloved? Possibly. And...tell me why that was again?

    Oh, because he was here, in Boston, saying the right things, doing the right things, always with the right attitude. He did it until MLB said he couldn't be in the dugout during games (fk you Selig).

    I'm too young to have seen him play...but the boy who loves this game inside of me yearns for more Mark Fidrych's...the guy tried to give money BACK when he underperformed...fans sent money IN to keep him from leaving. Sure, it was the 70s...I guess that's ancient society now...but THAT is the American Way I think of...not this me first, pay me now attitude. Fk that.

     
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    Re: How many times does Ortiz have to do this...

    Red Sox fans have become the most out-of-touch, unlikable bunch of fans I know. I can not believe the insane star worship that goes on. It's like watching a bunch of teenagers drool over Bruno Mars.

    No, we're the likeable fans in this debate.  We've always liked Papi and we want him to stay.

    One of the reasons I am a RS fan is that I got to watch Yaz for about 17 years.  I want to do the same with Pedey and Papi and Lester.  As Lester so eloquently put it, I want to see them tear the jersey off his back.

    I want him to go out as a RS player on a Mo tour.  I want to be at YS when even the Yankee fans give him standing ovation in his finale.

    How is this being a dislikeable fan?  I think it defines fandom, and i would expect fans from every team to feel the same about their players.

     
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