I guess this is Wakes role on the team?

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    I guess this is Wakes role on the team?

    Blow out wins and losses? I would never trust him in a tight spot out of the pen. Once Albers is ready and he piches in AAA a couple of times, who goes?
     
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    Sad but true. He has always been an innings eater, but now it seems like tito has no faith in him. I've always been a Wakefield supporter, but he used to mix his bad outings with good outings, but the good outings seem to be more and more a thing of the past.

    Forty-four isn't that old for a knuckleballer to lose his effectiveness.
     
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    Come on guys - Wakefield is just a regular season pitcher used to fill in as a spot starter...that is what he does...that is ALL he does!

    Assuming Wakefield survives the year in the bullpen, and if the Sox make it to the postseason, expect the old guy to take a seat, probably to be replaced by a 2nd or 3rd LHP.


     
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    me personally would rather see a young guy getting his feet wet in that spot. Also today would have been a good spot to get Oki back into the swing.
    I can see Wakes value, just not on this team. Either give him 12 starts this season or what role does he have? Do you want an erratic kinuckleballer who needs "the feel" of the pitch in a close game with men on base?
     
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    Both Albers and Okajima are in good form in AAA. Okajima has pitched around 5 innings without giving up a run. That doesn't tranlate to big success in MLB, but it does translate to better than Wakefield.

    Wakefield needs to go, as any "mop-up" guy should also be good enough to contribute and produce at least fairly in another limited role when the game is on the line.
     
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    [QUOTE]Both Albers and Okajima are in good form in AAA. Okajima has pitched around 5 innings without giving up a run. That doesn't tranlate to big success in MLB, but it does translate to better than Wakefield. Wakefield needs to go, as any "mop-up" guy should also be good enough to contribute and produce at least fairly in another limited role when the game is on the line.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    You do realize Albers only has 1 inning in AAA right?  Oki's success should come as any surprise since those hitters haven't faced him before and he has a very unique/deceptive delivery.  Let's see what happens when he has to pitch in a MLB game.  Speaking of which, Oki isn't in AAA anymore.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that Wake looks to be the odd man out when Albers returns.  The Sox need a lefty in the pen (currently Oki), and Aceves has been too good to send down and can pitch in long relief (7.2 IP, 2.35 ERA).  Who else could be sent down?
     
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    Yes, before you arrogantly made the comment I clicked the mouse to Pawtucket.

    Oki up today, Doubrant down. Bad move, as Doubrant will be needed as a 2nd lefty option who can go more than one inning. Oki will need to be used as a lefty specialist with a short leash. He can do a fair job in that role, as he finished up last year well. He can no longer be left in during the game tipping point to face more than one lefty hitter he has always had success against. He can be left in to throw strikes for an inning if the game is spread out either way.

    I'm fairly sure it cost a game or two by not starting the year with Aceves instead of Wakefield.

    The Red Sox are proof of the damage good lefties can do against an overweighted lefty lineup. The Red Sox should make sure they have at least two decent lefty pen options. Wakefield should have been DFA and Doubrant retained.

    Albers had decent numbers in a tiny stint this year, but that's better than Wakefield. Wakefield has to go via DFA. He could pitch a little more in the NL. If they can get any prospect at all they shoudl pull the trigger. If not, they should release Wakefield if he elects not to retire and give him a chance to catch on in the NL as a FA. No reason to go through waivers, where it's unlikley any team would do more than just wait for his release. Paying his 2011 freight and giving him an opening day active roster spot is about as nice a retirement gift as most veterans will ever get.  

     
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    Wake is good in the roll they have him in. Doesn't require you do use your BP and he can eat a lot of innings when the game is either won or lost. I think keeping him around is a good move.

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    [QUOTE]Blow out wins and losses? I would never trust him in a tight spot out of the pen. Once Albers is ready and he piches in AAA a couple of times, who goes?
    Posted by rkarp[/QUOTE]
     
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    Yes, before you arrogantly made the comment I clicked the mouse to Pawtucket. Oki up today, Doubrant down. Bad move, as Doubrant will be needed as a 2nd lefty option who can go more than one inning. Oki will need to be used as a lefty specialist with a short leash. He can do a fair job in that role, as he finished up last year well. He can no longer be left in during the game tipping point to face more than one lefty hitter he has always had success against. He can be left in to throw strikes for an inning if the game is spread out either way. I'm fairly sure it cost a game or two by not starting the year with Aceves instead of Wakefield. The Red Sox are proof of the damage good lefties can do against an overweighted lefty lineup. The Red Sox should make sure they have at least two decent lefty pen options. Wakefield should have been DFA and Doubrant retained. Albers had decent numbers in a tiny stint this year, but that's better than Wakefield. Wakefield has to go via DFA. He could pitch a little more in the NL. If they can get any prospect at all they shoudl pull the trigger. If not, they should release Wakefield if he elects not to retire and give him a chance to catch on in the NL as a FA. No reason to go through waivers, where it's unlikley any team would do more than just wait for his release. Paying his 2011 freight and giving him an opening day active roster spot is about as nice a retirement gift as most veterans will ever get.  
    Posted by BaseballGM

    Wow, I actually wanted to agree with you, but then you starting ignoring basic facts again.

    There was one single game where Wake may or may not have been the difference prior to Aceves being called up.  There is no way the move cost them 2 games.

    DoubrOnt was unavailable to pitch today and sis redundant as a 3rd long relief pitcher.  Oki fills the role of left specialist far better than Doubront, although I agree that he should not be left in for more than 1-2 lefty batters.

    How exactly do you propose the Sox circumvent the waiver system?  You do realize that once a player is DFA's, they have to go through waivers prior to their release right and that there is no downside to this process?

     
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    wake needs to retire or be sent down. He is a waste of a roster spot. Enough with the sentimentality. Wake useless. He pitched one inning today and allowed a bomb. His knuckler fools very few hitters these days. He needs to do whats right and just retire. We could be using his spot for either doubront, hill, or albers. I would be interested to see what rich hill can do. He dominated in spring training and has pitched 17 scoreless innings in AAA with 17 k's. He deserves a chance and could end up being our second lefty. One way or another wake needs to go. We have aceves as the long man. And ya i agree with an earlier post, we probably would have had a few more wins if we had aceves to start the year. 
     
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    [QUOTE]wake needs to retire or be sent down. He is a waste of a roster spot. Enough with the sentimentality. Wake useless. He pitched one inning today and allowed a bomb. His knuckler fools very few hitters these days. He needs to do whats right and just retire. We could be using his spot for either doubront, hill, or albers. I would be interested to see what rich hill can do. He dominated in spring training and has pitched 17 scoreless innings in AAA with 17 k's. He deserves a chance and could end up being our second lefty. One way or another wake needs to go. We have aceves as the long man. And ya i agree with an earlier post, we probably would have had a few more wins if we had aceves to start the year. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]

    Where to begin..... well name me the games that Wake cost the Sox this year, games meaning more than one.  You can't because Wake wouldn't put runs on the board (for Boston) and he was only coming in in blowout games.  There was 1 game where the bats started making a comeback and Aceves instead of Wake could have possibly made a difference.  That's not multiple games.

    Also, Hill has only pitched 6 innings in AAA this year.

    Sounds like someone needs to check their facts.

     
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    JB-3, its not that wake necessarily cost us games(though there was one i believe that he did), it was him taking up a roster spot that could have be occupied by aceves and therefore we would have been able to use aceves in certain situation which may have led to different outcomes in some games. Which again goes back to wake being a waste of roster spot. 
     
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    Aceves was called up prior to the April 8th game against the Yankees (he even pitched in that game), which was the 7th game of the season.

    1st game: Bard gave up 4 runs in the 8th to take the loss.  Aceves certainly would not have come into this situation.

    2nd game: certinaly not pretty, but the Sox lost because Lackey allowed 9 runs in 3.2 innings.  No change to the pen would have helped.

    3rd game: Buch allows 4 runs over 6.1 innings.  Not terrible, but the Sox only scored 1 run in the game, the pen was a non-factor.

    4th game: Beckett 5 innings, 3 ER.  Again, not terrible.  The pen didn't allow a run, the Sox lost 3-1.

    5th game: Dice 5 innings, 3 ER.  Then in came Reyes, 0 innings 3 ER.  By the time Wake came in the bullpen had already allowed 7 runs.  Reyes would have come into that situation even if Aceves was on the roster since he was called to handle 2 lefties (the 7 and 9 hitters).  Sox only put up 4 runs.

    6th game: Lester went 7 strong giving up 3 hits and 0 runs.  He turned the ball over to Bard (who owns the 8th inning and would even if Aceves was on the roster).  Bard gives up 1 run in his inning of work.  The Sox lose 1-0.

    7th game: Aceves is called up.



    So which games would Aceves have won for us?
     
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    Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?

    That's too logical for clowns, JB.

    People keep aying Wake iskeeping a young pitcher from showing his stuff. I keep asking who is this young stud being held back.

    All I hear is crickets.
     
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    "I keep asking who is this young stud being held back."

    Well I learned from BasementGM that Aceves is the answer. I'm putting him on my fantasy team right now. You know me, I learn from the best. Don't be jealous once Aceves launches me up the fantasy standings. You read it here first.
     
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    Aceves is on the 25 man now.

    I ask again, what young stud is being kept from greatness by Wake clinging to AIG status?
     
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    [QUOTE]" I keep asking who is this young stud being held back." Well I learned from BasementGM that Aceves is the answer. I'm putting him on my fantasy team right now. You know me, I learn from the best. Don't be jealous once Aceves launches me up the fantasy standings. You read it here first.
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker[/QUOTE]

    I actualy will admit to having picked up Jed before today's game in a moment of homerism..... turned out to be a good call.

    In fairness I had Ian Desmond starting at SS and no backup.  The Nats had the day off.  Lowrie filled his role perfectly with a 12 point day.
     
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    [QUOTE]Aceves is on the 25 man now. I ask again, what young stud is being kept from greatness by Wake clinging to AIG status?
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Not saying that Albers is the young stud you're talking about, but when he comes back a move will have to be made.  Who do you propose they send down Moon?

    I happen to think that Aceves has played himself into a job (at least for now), and Oki is the only lefty in the pen.  Paps, Bard, Jenks and Wheeler will be sticking around as well.  That leaves Wake.  They could of course leave Albers in AAA for the full month allowed for a rehab assignment and hope that things work themselves out before a move has to be made.
     
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    Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?

    Look at the splits: several righties on the Sox pen have excellent numbers vs LHPs. You don't need a lefty to get a lefty out.

    Now, to your question:

    1) If Lackey stinks in his next start, he will come down with a 15 day injury.
    2) If not, Wake might feel a twinge of pain somewere to cause a 15 day stint.
    3) Oki has another option.
    4) Albers may stay put. He's 28, he has a plus 5.00 career ERA and a plus 1.500 WHIP creer.
     
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    In answer to the question that is the title of the OP, yes this is Wake's role. He is going to be used in low leverage situations and be an extra starter in waiting.

    This I am sure is no surprise to him this year, unlike last year when the RS kept saying all spring that the rotation wasn't set, when in fact if all hands on deck were healthy it was set and the RS were going to go with Dice K as the 5 and give Buch every chance to be the 4.

    I think Wake is self-aware enough to know where he fits in the scheme of things in a bullpen with Bard, Jenks and Papelbon at the back of it.

    As for whom Wakefield is blocking, nobody at the moment. Doubront was sent down I am sure because he is better off working regularly in Pawtucket on his game rather than being a so-so LOOGY, seeing sporadic action As the season goes on it may become an issue but right now it is not.

    One could only hope the RS get so lucky that they don't need a 6th and/or 7th starter this season but recent history suggest that is unlikely. At any rate it will sort itself out.
     
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    Agree Katz.
    Douby is better served pitching more in AAA.
    I wasn't impressed with his secondary stuff last year, and I see nothing from him to alter my take. He needs work in meaningful situations.
    His constant DL stints are also a concern.

    Wake is not the odd man out. That was decided before the season began.
     
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    Wakefield's best place to pitch is in Oakland...I'd have started him there.
     
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    Once a player is designated for assignment, the team has ten days to do one of the following things: the player can be traded, the player can be released, or the player can be put on waivers and, provided he clears, outrighted to the minors

    JB, in your continued arrogance, you display ignorance. Hint, trade deadline.......

    As for the game log, you gloss over the ripple effect of having to use so many arms during the poor starting pitching in a string of games. Having Aceves most certainly could have allowed an quicker plug pulling on Slackey.

    JB, your arrogance befits the fantasy baseball player mindset you have. You don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

    Rationlizing that Doubrant needs regular AAA work is really quite pitiful. The Red Sox need another decent lefty option in the pen for depth. If not Doubrant, then it needs to be someone else. Even if it's "Al", the RH, anything is better than the old fat man throwing batting practice and wasting a roster spot where he serves no purpose whatsoever. Better to have Atchison take the mop, as, unlike Wakefield, he can throw strikes and throw a decent inning once in a while.

    Albers is on rehab, so, perhaps he'll be reactivated soon and the end of Wakefield embarrassment will be at hand. Wishful thinking? Let's all hope not.
     
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    Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?

    Oki up today, Doubrant down. Bad move, as Doubrant will be needed as a 2nd lefty option who can go more than one inning. Oki will need to be used as a lefty specialist with a short leash. He can do a fair job in that role, as he finished up last year well. He can no longer be left in during the game tipping point to face more than one lefty hitter he has always had success against. He can be left in to throw strikes for an inning if the game is spread out either way.

    softy...I mean Baseball GM -

    What's the obsession with needing a second lefty.  You don't need that many lefties if you have pitchers that have right handed pitchers with historically similar platoon splits.  Other than Wheeler (who should only face righties), each of the RHPs in the bullpen do well enough against LHP to justify only having one lefty.  Having a second LHP in the bullpen is having one just to have one.  At this point, it's not necessary.  Furthermore, Doubront would be better served by getting a chance to pitch more frequently (and in more higher leverage situations) by pitching with Pawtucket.
     

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