Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?
posted at 4/19/2011 1:58 PM EDT
In Response to Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?
You're reason for citing the trade deadline is what exactly? That teams would rather have a half year of a player than a nearly full year when it doesn't cost them anything? Even if they ran him through waivers and he went unclaimed, they could still release him. That's the point that you're missing. I have a hard time believing that he would accept a minor league assignment, but if he would then that's just one more way to keep as many arms as possible in the system in case of emergency. JB, the fact that you still don't know the reason exposes even more ignorance. They don't have to run him through waivers, which you clumsily claimed. I said there was no reason to do so, and there isn't. They can try and trade him to whoever they want, not running him through waivers. You pretended to understand waivers, which you don't. Calling me after an old poster doesn't make you look any less foolish. C'mon Softy, we both know that Tito wasn't about to pull Lackey any earlier than the 4th inning. No, we don't know that, JB. And you that we don't know that, you are just grasping at any diversion to deflect your false assertions that carrying Wakefield had no possible affect on the outcome or one or two games. Having Aceves instead of Wake to start the year means that you also have to make up for Wake's innings during those first 6 games. You're still taxing the rest of the pen the same way. No, because: 1. It's a false assumption to pretend that Wakefield's innings have to be "made up", as is his departure leaves this unfillable void. Wakefield has made 6 appearances in 18 days. He's "pitched" 10.1 innings. Pretending that Aceves and the rest of the bottom 3 of the rotation couldn't have mopped up is not even worthy of a retort. 2. It's a false assumption to pretend that Wakefield's departure means that the pen is being "taxed". No, the pen is being used with bottom pen arms who can both mop up with the best of them but still provide some decent innings of relief work without throwing the ball to the backstop and soft tossing batting practice. Making up a role for Wakefield is like a government non-essential worker making up a reason why a non-essential worker is on the dole in the first place. Wakefield has no role, and if he were Asian he'd be run out of town for trying to throw a goofball (not gyroball) and waddle over to first base at near 50 years old. As for the fantasy baseball comment, yes I do play. One of the reasons that I win is because I use actual analysis in the draft and for FA's. 3 first place teams out of 4 isn't bad. I think many on here would agree that I have a better idea of what I'm talking about than you do. Fantasy baseball results aren't any indication that you know what you are talking about. The rules do no reflect anything close to real roster management and record results. They are what makes a lot of ignorant people pretend they can do brain surgery because they play fantasy baseball. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and I know how real baseball rules work because I play fantasy baseball.
Posted by BaseballGM
Thanks for making me laugh, this is why i choose to play this game.....
Anyway, we are simply coming from different angels on the waiving Wake issue, no real surprise there. You claimed he should be traded or DFA'd and that he should not even go through waivers. I never said he needed to be waived in order to be traded, just that he should be waived before being DFA'd. You continue to change the issue to attempt to hold the superior position, something which is apparent to everyone.
If you start the year with Aceves instead of Wake on the roster, then yes someone does have to pitch Wake's innings, while you have Aceves to take over that role, that doesn't leave him available for the other situations you are claiming he could have prevented.
Entering the 4th inning of the Rangers game, Lackey had given up 3 runs through 3 innings. Not something that would warrant pulling your #2 starter. Aceves would not have made a difference in the 4th inning. When Tito decided to pull Lackey, he went with a career relief pitcher in Wheeler. Could he have chosen Aceves instead? Sure. But the reason this is important to the conversation is that in the time it took a normal RP to warm up, Lackey had surrendered 9 runs. This wasn't a product of Wake taking too long to to get ready, this was a set up man getting ready quick.
If you really want to back up your claim that choosing Wake over Aceves cost the Sox multiple games, then tell me which ones. Several posters have no problem defending their position with facts, why don't you try it out here?
"He's "pitched" 10.1 innings. Pretending that Aceves and the rest of the bottom 3 of the rotation couldn't have mopped up is not even worthy of a retort."
Allow me to respond to this, since your ignorance is showing. Wake hasn't been good, I'm not arguing that. What I am saying is that he didn't cost us any of those 6 games. If Wake wasn't on the roster, someone from the bottom 3 pitchers in the pen would have had to pick up those innings. While those pitchers may have fared better than Wake, it would not have affected the outcome of the games given how they played out prior to Wake entering the game.
"Fantasy baseball results aren't any indication that you know what you are talking about. The rules do no reflect anything close to real roster management and record results. They are what makes a lot of ignorant people pretend they can do brain surgery because they play fantasy baseball. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and I know how real baseball rules work because I play fantasy baseball."
Ummmm no sh!t, it's a game. To presume that someone, who has shown you to be wrong on several occasions in the past, is applying simple fantasy baseball logic to an argument is ignorant. Have I made any claims about moving players to random positions? No. I have mirrored your opinion on moving Lowrie around, we simply differ on the number of AB's he should get. If I were looking at the Wake situation from purely a fantasy baseball perspective, I would say to get rid of that bum. But of course, there is a bigger picture here. If you are going to DFA a player, you waive them first. It's a no risk move with some reward (salary relief if nothing else), assuming the player is claimed.