Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?
posted at 4/19/2011 6:33 PM EDT
In Response to Re: I guess this is Wakes role on the team?
Five, spin it anyway you want it but 40 something Wake was kept in the rotation and a young hurler w/promise like Justin M was dealt...i find it hard to believe that JM was the key to the VMART deal...they wouldve taken any number of young pitchers/players because they saw the writing on the wall...the fact that wake was given a 2 yr contract is proof that the sox didnt have a spot reserved for him on the roster????? the guy is still on the team.....if that doesnt convince you nothing will - no matter what it is time to let him retire-
Posted by georom4
Masterson was a compromise position. Back in 2009 the opening request to the RS in almost every trade was Clay Buchholz. While the Indians certainly wanted to save $$$, Victor's salary was not going to bankrupt them and he wasn't a walk away until then end of 2010.
The package had to have some attraction and I would think for the same reason you were upset that Masterson was traded is the same reasons he made the package attractive. But it was some what speculative at that point. Masterson as a starter in 2009 was 3-9 with a 1.550 WHIP. LH ate him alive posting a .877 OPS against him. If his 2011 results continue, hats off to you and the Indians projecting this player so high because there was lot's indicate that he was a RH vs. RH reliever.
As far as Wake still being on the roster, if we look back, the first order of business for the RS had to be dealing with the club options they held when the 2009 season ended. Epstein had no idea at that point if he was going to be able to land Lackey and no reason to expect with 100% confidence that Buchholz would emerge in 2010 to have the year he did and Dice K had a injury shortened season.
Now read into what we like, Epstein on the other hand, renegotiated his deal with Wakefield to a two year deal where Wake made more money if he pitched 160 IP in 2010, but the RS saved money if he pitched less. And then signed Lackey assuring that if Buccholz wasn't a bust that Wakefield would be the odd man out and at bargain prices for a pitcher who made the all star team that season before he injured his back.
There isn't any blind loyalty there IMO, simply a matter of Epstein hedging his bets and doing it for what in MLB terms is chump change.
I posted elsewhere that the problem with old stats for old guys is that they get older faster because the accelerated decline players experience as they get older.
BUT, let's keep in mind in 2009 Tim Wakefield before he was injured in 2009 in 17 appearances went 11-3, with two complete games and an acceptable 1.380 WHIP. Signing him to that deal that leaned in the RS favor if he didn't pitch 160 or more made sense.
Sometimes I think some people would be better served just saying "I hate to watch this guy pitch, the unpredictability of it is maddening. I hate the BB's in bunches, the stolen bases, the passed balls. I just don't like the guy as a an athlete even when he is going good. I am sure he is nice enough a person but I just wish he'd go away."