I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    ... three names:  Hermida, Tejada (Oscar), McDonald ...

     



    Would that be DMac?

     

     



    The very same.

     

     




    Love that guy. Too bad he couldn't hit...

     

     



    And, there Carnie, is the very pith of my OP.  The fine gentlemen listed there, including the infinitely likeable D-Mac, were the last 3 Spring Training team leaders in batting.

     

     




    I will say that I think that JBJ will hit better than any of them. One skill that seems to translate pretty well across levels is the ability to get on base. And even after enduring a fairly horrific slump to end last year he still put up a .430 OBP for the year. But anyone expecting him to start off in the ML and dominate big league pitching right away is likely to be disappointed.

     

     




     

    Think you won't have to worry about the DMac comparisions for long. Its just a matter of time that JBJ is the starting CF for RS and one of the better CF's in baseball. None of these guys had any where near the talent that JBJ has shown in the minors. He's alreday played on a championship team at South Carolina and hopefully will do same as member of RS. 



    I agree with your outlook entirely.  

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    My cautionary examples

    Hermida and those other rag tag names are not "cautionary examples". Bradley's skill set has little to do with those Red Sox rejects.

    Big difference between saying Bradley, Jr. is the best option for opening day starting OF roster slot and claiming he's a "savior". That's your strawman to rationalize the silly notion that he should start the season in the minors.



    No, the strawman arguement being made, by you, is that I am comparing Bradley's skill set with those "Sox rejects".  

    The other strawman arguement being made, by you, is that I said that arguing for his staring the season on the roster is akin to calling him "savior".  Didn't say that.

    I also didn't even say that he should necessarily start the season in the minors.  With Papi's heel such as it is, it seems to me that Bradley may indeed be the best choice to take Papi's roster spot.

    What I DID argue though, is that dismissing doubt about his readiness purely based on his ST hitting is silly.  

     
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    What I DID argue though, is that dismissing doubt about his readiness purely based on his ST hitting is silly.  

    Anyone who hasn't played a lot of MLB games has doubts. Your argument is an empty gun. His performance in ST is not comparable to Hermida and others who bombed out of MLB and ended up on a dumpster that Red Sox management used to driect attention away from their incompetence.

    The past isn't a predictor of the future, very good Space. You have an agenda, but your argument is empty.

    The issue is whether the Red Sox should pretend that a few more weeks or months of spring training for Bradley is the more prudent decision on when to allow this unproven "purely based on silly ST" first time up in the majors, given the alternative.

    A bigger question is Ellsbury's "readiness". After taking half the year to make sure he was healthy for 2012, he was not ready for the big leagues;)

    Space, when will get your extension offer for Ellsbury? You made a big deal about a FA contract from bidding and one done through extension to cover FA years. So, what's your extension offer for Ellsbury? And is he "ready" to perform at a superstar FA contract level? Inquiring minds want to know, Space. Bradley's future with the Red Sox is almost a certainty, but Ellsbury's future with the Red Sox appears a few months from ending.  



    I have no agenda on JBJ.  Not sure how offering some perspective to those swept up in the hype is having an agenda.

    But speaking of agendas, I will address yours:

    my hypothetical extension offer to Ellsbury (though I qualify by saying it is completely absurd for anyone to conjecture or ask for without having any 2013 perfromance to base it on), I offer him ... I don't know ... lets say, 4/50.

    And, I have no idea about how Ellsbury will perform.  Assuming that he will be 2011 ellsbury is as ludicrous as assuming he will bomb.  We shall just have to see.

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    What I DID argue though, is that dismissing doubt about his readiness purely based on his ST hitting is silly.  

    Anyone who hasn't played a lot of MLB games has doubts. Your argument is an empty gun. His performance in ST is not comparable to Hermida and others who bombed out of MLB and ended up on a dumpster that Red Sox management used to driect attention away from their incompetence.

    The past isn't a predictor of the future, very good Space. You have an agenda, but your argument is empty.

    The issue is whether the Red Sox should pretend that a few more weeks or months of spring training for Bradley is the more prudent decision on when to allow this unproven "purely based on silly ST" first time up in the majors, given the alternative.

    A bigger question is Ellsbury's "readiness". After taking half the year to make sure he was healthy for 2012, he was not ready for the big leagues;)

    Space, when will get your extension offer for Ellsbury? You made a big deal about a FA contract from bidding and one done through extension to cover FA years. So, what's your extension offer for Ellsbury? And is he "ready" to perform at a superstar FA contract level? Inquiring minds want to know, Space. Bradley's future with the Red Sox is almost a certainty, but Ellsbury's future with the Red Sox appears a few months from ending.  

     



    I have no agenda on JBJ.  Not sure how offering some perspective to those swept up in the hype is having an agenda.

     

    But speaking of agendas, I will address yours:

    my hypothetical extension offer to Ellsbury (though I qualify by saying it is completely absurd for anyone to conjecture or ask for without having any 2013 perfromance to base it on), I offer him ... I don't know ... lets say, 4/50.

    And, I have no idea about how Ellsbury will perform.  Assuming that he will be 2011 ellsbury is as ludicrous as assuming he will bomb.  We shall just have to see.

    Space,  The SHIP has sailed on Jacoby........ The stars are no where in line for him to have a solid year in a R S uniform ....  He must go !!!

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to SpacemanEephus's comment:

     

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    What I DID argue though, is that dismissing doubt about his readiness purely based on his ST hitting is silly.  

    Anyone who hasn't played a lot of MLB games has doubts. Your argument is an empty gun. His performance in ST is not comparable to Hermida and others who bombed out of MLB and ended up on a dumpster that Red Sox management used to driect attention away from their incompetence.

    The past isn't a predictor of the future, very good Space. You have an agenda, but your argument is empty.

    The issue is whether the Red Sox should pretend that a few more weeks or months of spring training for Bradley is the more prudent decision on when to allow this unproven "purely based on silly ST" first time up in the majors, given the alternative.

    A bigger question is Ellsbury's "readiness". After taking half the year to make sure he was healthy for 2012, he was not ready for the big leagues;)

    Space, when will get your extension offer for Ellsbury? You made a big deal about a FA contract from bidding and one done through extension to cover FA years. So, what's your extension offer for Ellsbury? And is he "ready" to perform at a superstar FA contract level? Inquiring minds want to know, Space. Bradley's future with the Red Sox is almost a certainty, but Ellsbury's future with the Red Sox appears a few months from ending.  

     



    I have no agenda on JBJ.  Not sure how offering some perspective to those swept up in the hype is having an agenda.

     

    But speaking of agendas, I will address yours:

    my hypothetical extension offer to Ellsbury (though I qualify by saying it is completely absurd for anyone to conjecture or ask for without having any 2013 perfromance to base it on), I offer him ... I don't know ... lets say, 4/50.

    And, I have no idea about how Ellsbury will perform.  Assuming that he will be 2011 ellsbury is as ludicrous as assuming he will bomb.  We shall just have to see.

     

    Space,  The SHIP has sailed on Jacoby........ The stars are no where in line for him to have a solid year in a R S uniform ....  He must go !!!

     



    OK Bill.  Your crystal ball is much clearer than mine.  

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

    As a prospect, Jeremy Hermida three times received a higher Baseball America prospect ranking than Jackie Bradley's current No. 31 ranking:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hermid001jer

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bradle000jac

    Darnell McDonald topped out at No. 21:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mcdona002dar

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    Your delusional thread makes the point that you don't "love Bradley".

    Folks, anyone see the comparison to Bradley and Hermida. That's not a question.

     



    OK, so let me get this straight:  Anything short of Bradley Must Start the Season in Boston means I don't like him?

     

    My cautionary examples of how ST hitting is not always a good indicator of major league success is delusional?

    No, my friend.  My stance on JBJ is anything but delusional.  My stance is rational. Delusional is:  Hey this kid is so good RIGHT NOW that even thinking about holding on to a control year is penny-pinching idiocy because the kid is going to save the Sox season in the first 11 days.  Delusional is:  How dare you question the major league readiness of Jackie Bradley Jr.:  He is is hitting .500+ in Spring Training!



    Just as a clarification...Bradley can break camp with the Sox and play till Ortiz comes back or he fails and as long as he is sent back to the minors for more than 20 consecutive days, we maintain the year of Control.....so all the lose a year of control points are moot....he should be on the team opening day

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    ... three names:  Hermida, Tejada (Oscar), McDonald ...



    Yeah, I think you can say that about everyone's ST, including Lester's outing the other day. It's a great sign, just hope he can do that when the games start to actually count. You take these as good signs... It's not in stone. Idk what everyone's so impatient about. W/ the rate of injuries this team has had the last few years, its a damn near certainty he'll have every chance to earn a spot on the team very soon. 

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    In response to SpacemanEephus's comment:

     

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    Your delusional thread makes the point that you don't "love Bradley".

    Folks, anyone see the comparison to Bradley and Hermida. That's not a question.

     



    OK, so let me get this straight:  Anything short of Bradley Must Start the Season in Boston means I don't like him?

     

    My cautionary examples of how ST hitting is not always a good indicator of major league success is delusional?

    No, my friend.  My stance on JBJ is anything but delusional.  My stance is rational. Delusional is:  Hey this kid is so good RIGHT NOW that even thinking about holding on to a control year is penny-pinching idiocy because the kid is going to save the Sox season in the first 11 days.  Delusional is:  How dare you question the major league readiness of Jackie Bradley Jr.:  He is is hitting .500+ in Spring Training!

     



    Just as a clarification...Bradley can break camp with the Sox and play till Ortiz comes back or he fails and as long as he is sent back to the minors for more than 20 consecutive days, we maintain the year of Control.....so all the lose a year of control points are moot....he should be on the team opening day

     



    And also for clarification, I am great with this scenario.

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    As a prospect, Jeremy Hermida three times received a higher Baseball America prospect ranking than Jackie Bradley's current No. 31 ranking:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hermid001jer

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bradle000jac

    Darnell McDonald topped out at No. 21:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mcdona002dar




    That's exactly the point I was making to ADG.

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

    The guy hit 270 with an 800 OPs and 8 steals in AA last year. Stop the mass hysteria. He might do fine with Boston if he sticks at the beginning of the year but if he does it will be Coco Crisp fine.

    More time in the minors would benefit him but he might be forced into action because yes, he is better than Nava and Sweeney.

    People that think he is going to take the majors by storm in 2013 will be dissapointed.

     

     
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    Re: I love Jackie Bradley Jr, but before we get too carried away ...

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    Spaceman is already bashing Bradley! O man!!!!!! Hater!!!!!!!




    Quick! Somebody tell pike.

     
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