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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs




    Which team STILL has them?

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    LOL

    You want to talk about bad contracts, but you don't want hear about which team is being hurt by them and which isn't?

    The Red sox made some poor signings, no doubt.

    But, they weren't so bad that another team wasn't wiling to take them on, when provided with the right incentives.

    Let me know when the Yankees are able to do that.

    you opened the convertsation saying it was a nyy traddition

    my point was they haven't in the last few yrs and the sox have

    so who really has the tradition

    at least the yanks were able to win with those contracts



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    Please excuse my hyperbole!

    I forget, some folks can't handle anything but rock solid facts, here.

    The Yankees aren't the only one's with bad contracts.

    They're simply the best at it.

    Feel better now?

     

    BTW. I'm curious. Besides Crawford, what Red sox contract has been that bad?

     

     
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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    LOL

    You want to talk about bad contracts, but you don't want hear about which team is being hurt by them and which isn't?

    The Red sox made some poor signings, no doubt.

    But, they weren't so bad that another team wasn't wiling to take them on, when provided with the right incentives.

    Let me know when the Yankees are able to do that.

    Seeing as you're so fond of pics...

    http://dipettamortgage.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/head_in_the_sand-461x307.jpg

    [/QUOTE] ah...do not go gentle into that good offseason( just a little Dylan Thomas to take you home) Tongue OutWink

     
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    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    Yankees:

    Jeter 4 years/$60MM

    K. Youk 1 year/$12MM

    R. Soriano 2 years/$21MM

    Sox:

    Dempster 2 years/26.5MM

    Crawford 7 years/142MM (only paid 1.5 years)

     

    survey says....yankees......

     

     
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    ah...do not go gentle into that good offseason( just a little Dylan Thomas to take you home) Tongue OutWink

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    Where the Yankees are concerned, heck no! Wink

     
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    [/QUOTE] ah...do not go gentle into that good offseason( just a little Dylan Thomas to take you home) Tongue OutWink

     

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    Where the Yankees are concerned, heck no! Wink

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    How about we go back the last 4 or 5 years since were spitting out random number of years to go back in this back and forth with you and zac. Truth is, BOTH teams gave some ridiculous deals and both have paid from it recently.


    going forward more/most likely but

    not sure how much those contracts have hurt ny yet


    They key is, have they both learned from it?

    I hear what U are asking 777

    the teams that have signed the big stars haven't done well recently

    but there are a lot more teams who haven't made any big signings

     that have failed without the extra tix sales

    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     

     
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    I am sure that if they could the Yanks would dump the contracts of Afraud, Tex and Wells.  The Sox really have no contract, outside of possibly Dempster's (and that only has one year remaining) that they would like to dump.  The Dodgers are to thank for that.

     
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    [/QUOTE] ah...do not go gentle into that good offseason( just a little Dylan Thomas to take you home) Tongue OutWink

     

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    Where the Yankees are concerned, heck no! Wink

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    I will give you a break, Jete.

    You're a 'Phins fan too. That's punishment enough. Wink

     
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    "Gammer"?...Is that like "Choker"?

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    no, its "chocker" :P

    Brian McCann will be paid like Molina and he seems to be trending downward offensively, injuries over the last couple years, with one of them being a shoulder/labrum. He was already pretty pedestrian throwing runners out. 1% better than Salty. You really want to even go near 6/90-100M with this guy? Sorry, let the Rangers overspend. Although I probably would bet the first 2 years should be Ok, the last 3-4 will be bad.

    But if I had to choose between BM and JS, Id choose Salty. His numbers are trending up, hes younger and wont cost a stupid amount of $$ like McCann. Some here whine and cry about cs%, but they want McCann? Hes right in line with Salty defensively. Thats a fact, like it or not. Hes been better then Salty offensively over his career, but Salty has looked better the last couple years in that department. Salty is clearly the better deal.

    All this Salty and McCann talk is wasted time If the Sox think that Vasquez and/or Swihart are their guys in another year or 2. They will just find a stopgap like Ruiz, Suzuki or someone like that.

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    I agree mostly. 

    Personally, I'd try to sign Salty for three years. He's been improving each year. For all his streakiness and striking out, he did hit .276 with good xtra-base hit numbers (doubles/HRs). He's handling the staff better and another year with the pitchers and Ross should help. The W.S. notwithstanding, he's not terrible defensively -- not great, but acceptable and he improved throwing batters out. In all phases of the game, he has shown improvement.

    I'd rather keep Salty than give up a draft pick for McCann. And, if one of the youngsters look ready, Salty should be tradeable, given the lack of catching in the big leagues.

     
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    How about we go back the last 4 or 5 years since were spitting out random number of years to go back in this back and forth with you and zac. Truth is, BOTH teams gave some ridiculous deals and both have paid from it recently.


    going forward more/most likely but

    not sure how much those contracts have hurt ny yet


    They key is, have they both learned from it?

    I hear what U are asking 777

    the teams that have signed the big stars haven't done well recently

    but there are a lot more teams who haven't made any big signings

     that have failed without the extra tix sales

    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     

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    Unless you're receiving a cut of said franchise value, it's an odd postion for a fan to have.

    I couldn't care less about what the Sox are worth. I care about the product they put on the field.

    But after this year, I guess one has to hang on to what they can.

     
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    [/QUOTE] ah...do not go gentle into that good offseason( just a little Dylan Thomas to take you home) Tongue OutWink

     

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    Where the Yankees are concerned, heck no! Wink

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    I will give you a break, Jete.

    You're a 'Phins fan too. That's punishment enough. Wink

    [/QUOTE] LOL...man 4B's,  don't get mef started :-)


     
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    Yankees:

    Jeter 4 years/$60MM

     

    nothing wrong with that NC

    the dude sells

     

    K. Youk 1 year/$12MM

    sure it was a big fail but most feel

    1 yr deals are not considered

    '' continuing the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns ''

    they had to over pay because other teams were offering more yrs

     

     

    R. Soriano 2 years/$21MM

    LOL

     he saved our bacon when mo got hurt

    and then HE OPTED OUT 4 a better deal

    how many players U know who opt out because the team

    ''continued the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns''

     

     

    Sox:

    Dempster 2 years/26.5MM

    Crawford 7 years/142MM (only paid 1.5 years)

     

    survey says....yankees......

     

    wasn't thinking dempster

    mostly beckett and to a lesser extent agone who cost you more than money

     

     
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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    This is a stupid argument on both sides. Both the Red Sox and the Yankees along with all big-market teams have had bad contracts. It's the cost of being a big-market team. They have the money so the fan base isn't as patient. It's a win-now attitude that the ownership has to placate so they sign the hot free agent star.

    In Boston's case, any time there was even littlest inkling that payroll was going to be cut, fans would rip Henry for "pocketing the money" or using the Sox to pay for the soccer teams. It didn't matter if there was no one out there that was worth the money.

    In Boston's case, when they talk about the monster -- the big part of the monster was the fans who expected the team to win every year. The Yankees have been dealing with that for years.

    Plenty of teams have thrown big money at FAs only to see it backfire in their faces -- some in the short term and many more in the long term. 

    So Red Sox fans and Yankees fans look dumb when they try to take the high road in this debate. There is no high road.

     

     
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    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     


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    Unless you're receiving a cut of said franchise value, it's an odd postion for a fan to have.

    I couldn't care less about what the Sox are worth. I care about the product they put on the field.


    not cheering there value has grown to a  record high

    just grown up enough to acknowledge it's a big part of it

     


    But after this year, I guess one has to hang on to what they can.

    give it a rest 4B's

    my memory stinks but I still remember your last 2 seasons

     

     
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    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     


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    Unless you're receiving a cut of said franchise value, it's an odd postion for a fan to have.

    I couldn't care less about what the Sox are worth. I care about the product they put on the field.


    not cheering there value has grown to a  record high

    just grown up enough to acknowledge it's a big part of it

     


    But after this year, I guess one has to hang on to what they can.

    give it a rest 4B's

    my memory stinks but I still remember your last 2 seasons

     

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    A necessary price to pay for getting Lucchino to see he's not the baseball genius he thinks he is.

    The Yankees will be paying thier own price, going foward.

    Enjoy...

     
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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    Which team STILL has them?

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    Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. This is usually done by the "losing" side of an argument in a desperate bid to save face.

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    And that would be you loser...

     
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    i was raised in oswego with his mom and dad.his dad howie and i played football

    and softball together.mt kids went to howies baseball camps that brian and his

    dad ran.brian will be great in the sox clubhouse not to mention he is a gammer

    with loads of talent.this player is a cut above.

     

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    Im going Salty all the way... I like McCann but think he is too expensive and appears to be declining.... Salty on the other hand has been on the upward slope... do you all remember when he couldnt even throw back to the pitcher!!  

     
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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    Which team STILL has them?

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    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

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    And that would be you loser...

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    LOL

    we have a tough guy on the PC

    is that the best U got

     
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    i was raised in oswego with his mom and dad.his dad howie and i played football

    and softball together.mt kids went to howies baseball camps that brian and his

    dad ran.brian will be great in the sox clubhouse not to mention he is a gammer

    with loads of talent.this player is a cut above.

     



    Im going Salty all the way... I like McCann but think he is too expensive and appears to be declining.... Salty on the other hand has been on the upward slope... do you all remember when he couldnt even throw back to the pitcher!!  

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    This just about sums it up. Any upgrade McCann provides over Salty is marginal at best, and may not be an upgrade at all very soon if Salty continues to show improvement. Throw in the price and the loss of a draft pick for signing McCann, and McCann vs. Salty really isn't a debate in my mind. The debate is Salty vs. some other option...

     
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    He's a good fit for the Yankees.

    They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with dimminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.



    which team has sign more huge bad contracts in the last 3 yrs

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    Which team STILL has them?

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    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

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    Its one thing to agree to a bad contract; its another thing to sign one that you can't get out of and screw your team for the foreseeable future. Yes, the Red Sox did some very bad signings, but they learned from it and corrected their mistake. The Yankees are still stinging from their mistake. Its fine to make mistakes; admit it, and correct it. The Red Sox have done that; the Yankees have not.

     
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    Yankees:

    Jeter 4 years/$60MM

     

    nothing wrong with that NC

    the dude sells

     

    K. Youk 1 year/$12MM

    sure it was a big fail but most feel

    1 yr deals are not considered

    '' continuing the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns ''

    they had to over pay because other teams were offering more yrs

     

     

    R. Soriano 2 years/$21MM

    LOL

     he saved our bacon when mo got hurt

    and then HE OPTED OUT 4 a better deal

    how many players U know who opt out because the team

    ''continued the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns''

     

     

    Sox:

    Dempster 2 years/26.5MM

    Crawford 7 years/142MM (only paid 1.5 years)

     

    survey says....yankees......

     

    wasn't thinking dempster

    mostly beckett and to a lesser extent agone who cost you more than money

     

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    We corrected those mistakes Zac. Beckett and Agon, both bad contracts along with Crawford, are all gone. Yet the Yankees have done nothing about their bevy of loser contracts.

     
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    Sox will not give a long term big money contract to an aging catcher like McCann.

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    To be fair, McCann is only 15 months older than Saltalamacchia..

     

     
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    This just about sums it up. Any upgrade McCann provides over Salty is marginal at best, and may not be an upgrade at all very soon if Salty continues to show improvement. Throw in the price and the loss of a draft pick for signing McCann, and McCann vs. Salty really isn't a debate in my mind. The debate is Salty vs. some other option...

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    I agree.  I like Pierzynski or Ruiz for a one year option.  Maybe there's something via trade.

     
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    Yankees:

    Jeter 4 years/$60MM

     

    nothing wrong with that NC

    the dude sells

     

    i didn't realize fans cared about "sales".

    i'll remember that the next time my team fails to make the Postseason and my archrival wins the World Series.  at least i will have "sales" to fall back on.

     

     
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    ALSO, the Red Sox got rid of the General Manager that was responsible for those contracts.  fool me once.  the Yankees are fools time and time again and trashman is still the GM.  they will do the same thing this year with Jay Z.

     
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