i vote for brian mccann

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    How about we go back the last 4 or 5 years since were spitting out random number of years to go back in this back and forth with you and zac. Truth is, BOTH teams gave some ridiculous deals and both have paid from it recently.


    going forward more/most likely but

    not sure how much those contracts have hurt ny yet


    They key is, have they both learned from it?

    I hear what U are asking 777

    the teams that have signed the big stars haven't done well recently

    but there are a lot more teams who haven't made any big signings

     that have failed without the extra tix sales

    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     




    I agree with this and personally, I dont really care that the NYY spend so much. GS ALWAYS put back into that team and NYY will always have a ton of revenue coming in each year. Team owners should put it back into the organization. NYY should start to spend more wisely though going forward. Since there was no playoffs this year for NY, I think they may just ditch the 189M LT.

    LAA and the Jays are the 2 newest teams that have realized its not about assembling a group of AS players, its about the right fit. Few are worth their $$ through the entire contract. Manny is one that comes to mind that I can honestly say was. Then theres the question if he was juicing when he was in Boston. Never tested positive, but....Very few players even come close to worth their salaries. Ellsbury could make north of 20M and will absolutely never be worth it with his skill set.

     
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    Give McCann's agent a blank check.

     
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    Give McCann's agent a blank check.



    Why not.  It's their money.  He seems like a pretty good player.  I noticed you had them signing Ellsbury and McCann on the other thread.  Sure.  Ells is a speed player and that's usually a young guy thing.  But he also hits for average.  Can we replace that?  Maybe we can.  If we get out of it now.  We got the best years for less.  And some other team will overpay now.  Not saying he won't be good, but he's probably going downhill.

     
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    Farrell on Salty...

    “Absolutely he has a future here. We’re engaging with him and I know [Red Sox GM Ben Cherington] has talked to his agent frequently here, not just as free agent season has opened up but throughout the course of the remainder of the year and through the postseason,” said Farrell

     

    Please dont overpay McCann.

     
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    More pitch framing stats. This time from 2013.......

     

    http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

     
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    McCann also managed to lead the major leagues in Whiny Confrontations Because he was Offended by Batters Breaking some Stupid Code by Lingering in The Box after a Hit  or something like that.  (it's a new stat)

    At one point the crybaby blocked the plate of a guy rounding the bases after a HR that was admired too long.

    He was the leader of that crybaby Braves clubhouse that managed to boycott Chipper Jones.

    He's EVERYTHING the Red Sox avoided in building this team.

    MCCann is about to be a vastly overpaid moron Baby, and that qualifies him for pinstripes.

     
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    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Its one thing to agree to a bad contract; its another thing to sign one that you can't get out of and screw your team for the foreseeable future. Yes, the Red Sox did some very bad signings, but they learned from it and corrected their mistake. The Yankees are still stinging from their mistake. Its fine to make mistakes; admit it, and correct it. The Red Sox have done that; the Yankees have not.




    what's your point mr green

    the sox got very very very  lucky and stumbled into a perfect storm

    they deserve little to no credit for that

     

    I was responding to this hypocritical statement from 4B's

    ''They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.''

    and IMO my point stands whether anyone got rid of such contracts or not

    the sox have done it way more the last 3 yrs

    so I called him on it

    roy just did a better job saying it  than me

     


    The Yankees are still stinging from their mistake.

    not sure how you can say 'still'

    at best  it's just begining to have an effect

    and they might get very very very lucky with arod

     

     

     
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    ALSO, the Red Sox got rid of the General Manager that was responsible for those contracts.  fool me once.  the Yankees are fools time and time again and trashman is still the GM.  they will do the same thing this year with Jay Z.




    LMAO NC

    the Red Sox got rid of the General Manager

    LOL

    he wanted out and the sox fought it

     

     
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                  Top Ten opening day payrolls in Red Sox-Yankees history(Cot's contracts)

     

                                                2013 YANKEES   $228,106,125

                                                2010 YANKEES   $213,359,389

                                                2012 YANKEES   $209,792.900

                                                2008 YANKEES   $209.081,577

                                                2005 YANKEES   $208,306,817

                                                2011 YANKEES   $207,047,964

                                                2009 YANKEES   $201,449.189

                                                2006 YANKEES   $194,663,079

                                                2007 YANKEES   $189.639,045

                                                2004 YANKEES   $184,193,950

     

      EVERY Yankee payroll over the last ten years has been higher than ANY payroll the Red Sox have ever had.  The Red Sox have 3 rings since 2004 and the Yankees have 1.

     

      When it comes to spending money the Yankees have been relatively stupid.                            

     
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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    How about we go back the last 4 or 5 years since were spitting out random number of years to go back in this back and forth with you and zac. Truth is, BOTH teams gave some ridiculous deals and both have paid from it recently.


    going forward more/most likely but

    not sure how much those contracts have hurt ny yet


    They key is, have they both learned from it?

    I hear what U are asking 777

    the teams that have signed the big stars haven't done well recently

    but there are a lot more teams who haven't made any big signings

     that have failed without the extra tix sales

    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     




    Unless you're receiving a cut of said franchise value, it's an odd postion for a fan to have.

    I couldn't care less about what the Sox are worth. I care about the product they put on the field.

    But after this year, I guess one has to hang on to what they can.




    I agree. What a ridiculous argument for a "fan" to make. This from a guy who says Sox fans have to keep it real here. Zac is like the Yankees' publicist. No wonder he spends so much time here debating anything negative said about the Yankees. Now it all makes sense.

    Hey, I hope the Sox don't win another championship, but do well on selling their brand. LMAO

     
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    4Bs is my new favorite poster. Always liked your posts, but you're on fire now. Hilarious in so many threads, and so right at the same time. You definitely know what you're talking about, and even your sarcasm (which I always appreciate) is dead on. Good stuff all around. IMO you're making a quiet board worth reading. When does the voting start this offseason? You should be top of the list. CoolSmile

     
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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Its one thing to agree to a bad contract; its another thing to sign one that you can't get out of and screw your team for the foreseeable future. Yes, the Red Sox did some very bad signings, but they learned from it and corrected their mistake. The Yankees are still stinging from their mistake. Its fine to make mistakes; admit it, and correct it. The Red Sox have done that; the Yankees have not.




    what's your point mr green

    the sox got very very very  lucky and stumbled into a perfect storm

    they deserve little to no credit for that

     

    I was responding to this hypocritical statement from 4B's

    ''They can continue the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns, with Cano and McCann.''

    and IMO my point stands whether anyone got rid of such contracts or not

    the sox have done it way more the last 3 yrs

    so I called him on it

    roy just did a better job saying it  than me

     


    The Yankees are still stinging from their mistake.

    not sure how you can say 'still'

    at best  it's just begining to have an effect

    and they might get very very very lucky with arod

     

     



    If 3 years is what passes for "tradition" in your house, I'm surprised you can remember where you live, from day to day.

    The Yankees spent over 400 million before the 2009.

    They could've spent more in the next few years, but where would they have put the players?

    They already had either monster contracts, or veterans like Jeter and Posada, in half of the positions.

    They can certainly affford it and the Yankees won a championship, but anyone that doesn't think those cotracts look stupid now are in denial.


    The Sox made a stupid decision, with Crawford and learned from it. I hope they continue to do so, as players like McCann become available.

    So far, the Yankees have not. The Youkilis signing is evidence of that.

    the sox got very very very  lucky and stumbled into a perfect storm

    they deserve little to no credit for that

    Yup, the Sox are lucky and the Yankees are just good, when ever things go right for either team.

    Seeing as I'm such a hypocrite, do I get a cool nickname?

    That's seems to be the standard with you, for Sox fans that don't kiss Yankee behind.

    May I suggest Mr Hypocrite? You can shorten it to MH, seeing as you're keyboard challenged.

     
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    No

     
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    In response to kimsaysthis' comment:

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    How about we go back the last 4 or 5 years since were spitting out random number of years to go back in this back and forth with you and zac. Truth is, BOTH teams gave some ridiculous deals and both have paid from it recently.


    going forward more/most likely but

    not sure how much those contracts have hurt ny yet


    They key is, have they both learned from it?

    I hear what U are asking 777

    the teams that have signed the big stars haven't done well recently

    but there are a lot more teams who haven't made any big signings

     that have failed without the extra tix sales

    truth is the yanks have had ridiculous contracts for yrs

    and it hasn't hurt the franchise value, just the opposite IMO

     



    name brands sell better

    so many want to seperate the 2

    but it is a biz

     




    Unless you're receiving a cut of said franchise value, it's an odd postion for a fan to have.

    I couldn't care less about what the Sox are worth. I care about the product they put on the field.

    But after this year, I guess one has to hang on to what they can.




    I agree. What a ridiculous argument for a "fan" to make. This from a guy who says Sox fans have to keep it real here. Zac is like the Yankees' publicist. No wonder he spends so much time here debating anything negative said about the Yankees. Now it all makes sense.

    Hey, I hope the Sox don't win another championship, but do well on selling their brand. LMAO




    Yeah, the championship and parade are nice and all, but the increase in the Sox value is what really gets me fired up!

    Thank you for the comments in your other post.

    I hope I rub some people the wrong way.

    That's the way it goes. I say what I think.

    It's too much work to try to please everone.

    I enjoy your posts too, BTW.

     
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    but anyone that doesn't think those cotracts look stupid now are in denial.

    never said they didn't look stupid

    I just questioned how much if at all they hurt the team so far

    hard to blame last yr on bad contracts

    when it was the BP that killed them in the end

    yr B4 they made the alcs

    2 me it just doesn't seem like they hurt the team yet

    as I already said this yr could be different

    The Sox made a stupid decision, with Crawford and learned from it. I hope they continue to do so, as players like McCann become available.

    not sure how I feel about mccann, don't really know him

    but it sounds he would make both teams better

     

    So far, the Yankees have not. The Youkilis signing is evidence of that.

    how does a 1 yr deal w/youk keep getting into a convertsation

    about  ''the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns''

    did itwork out -heck no but

    many believe there is no such thing as a bad 1 yr deal

     

     

    the sox got very very very  lucky and stumbled into a perfect storm

    they deserve little to no credit for that

    Yup, the Sox are lucky and the Yankees are just good, when ever things go right for either team

     

    what the ______ is your problem

    are you actually denying  the sox weren't lucky the LA trade happened

    .

    Seeing as I'm such a hypocrite, do I get a cool nickname?

    That's seems to be the standard with you, for Sox fans that don't kiss Yankee behind.

    May I suggest Mr Hypocrite? You can shorten it to MH, seeing as you're keyboard challenged.

    funny you should ask

    after reading KST's love letter 2 U

    I was thinking  your new nickname should be  5B's

    but after seeing you contesting the sox were lucky with that trade

    I'm thinking NC2

     
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    but anyone that doesn't think those cotracts look stupid now are in denial.

    never said they didn't look stupid

    I just questioned how much if at all they hurt the team so far

    hard to blame last yr on bad contracts

    when it was the BP that killed them in the end

    yr B4 they made the alcs

    2 me it just doesn't seem like they hurt the team yet

    as I already said this yr could be different

    The Sox made a stupid decision, with Crawford and learned from it. I hope they continue to do so, as players like McCann become available.

    not sure how I feel about mccann, don't really know him

    but it sounds he would make both teams better

     

    So far, the Yankees have not. The Youkilis signing is evidence of that.

    how does a 1 yr deal w/youk keep getting into a convertsation

    about  ''the tradition of huge contracts, with diminishing returns''

    did itwork out -heck no but

    many believe there is no such thing as a bad 1 yr deal

     

     

    the sox got very very very  lucky and stumbled into a perfect storm

    they deserve little to no credit for that

    Yup, the Sox are lucky and the Yankees are just good, when ever things go right for either team

     

    what the ______ is your problem

    are you actually denying  the sox weren't lucky the LA trade happened

    .

    Seeing as I'm such a hypocrite, do I get a cool nickname?

    That's seems to be the standard with you, for Sox fans that don't kiss Yankee behind.

    May I suggest Mr Hypocrite? You can shorten it to MH, seeing as you're keyboard challenged.

    funny you should ask

    after reading KST's love letter 2 U

    I was thinking  your new nickname should be  5B's

    but after seeing you contesting the sox were lucky with that trade

    I'm thinking NC2




    "Diminishing returns" means going foward, as in "the future".

    Not in '10 or '11

    Yeah, the Yankees missing out on the playoffs had nothing to do with Sabathia's stellar 4.78 ERA or 1.37 WHIP, or A-Rod's failing health.

    I didn't say the Youkilis contract would hurt them, going foward. One year contracts never do.

    But, when you consider they could've resigned Martin with that money, it was dumb.

    No, the sox weren't lucky. They had to give up an excellent 1b to get that deal done. They gave up some good players to obtain him.

    Call me whatever you want Zac.

    I'll just consider the source and still sleep just fine tonight.

    Approval from you ranks about as high on my worry list as as what Kim Kardashian is up to today.

     
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    la la la

     
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    never said they didn't look stupid

    I just questioned how much if at all they hurt the team so far

    hard to blame last yr on bad contracts

    when it was the BP that killed them in the end



    hahaha.  yes!  the yankees didnt make the postseason and did not win the world series because of their.....bullpen. 

    classic!

     
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    No, the sox weren't lucky. They had to give up an excellent 1b to get that deal done. They gave up some good players to obtain him.

    Not everyone shares this opinion, but I consider us fortunate to have gotten out of the A-Gon contract as well. Not that he isn't a good player, but he's simply not the one we thought we were getting when we made that trade with SD and signed him to that big extension. Napoli probably had a better year in 2013.

     
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    In response to KRomine's comment:

    "Gammer"?...Is that like "Choker"?




    no, its "chocker" :P

    Brian McCann will be paid like Molina and he seems to be trending downward offensively, injuries over the last couple years, with one of them being a shoulder/labrum. He was already pretty pedestrian throwing runners out. 1% better than Salty. You really want to even go near 6/90-100M with this guy? Sorry, let the Rangers overspend. Although I probably would bet the first 2 years should be Ok, the last 3-4 will be bad.

    But if I had to choose between BM and JS, Id choose Salty. His numbers are trending up, hes younger and wont cost a stupid amount of $$ like McCann. Some here whine and cry about cs%, but they want McCann? Hes right in line with Salty defensively. Thats a fact, like it or not. Hes been better then Salty offensively over his career, but Salty has looked better the last couple years in that department. Salty is clearly the better deal.

    All this Salty and McCann talk is wasted time If the Sox think that Vasquez and/or Swihart are their guys in another year or 2. They will just find a stopgap like Ruiz, Suzuki or someone like that.




    Agree 100%. If Ruiz would take 2 yr deal thats direction I would go. Never been a big fan of Salty's [while I will admit he had a good yr last yr] and would not give the yrs or $ its going to take to lock up McCann. Have to figure one of the young C's in the system will be ready within next yr or 2. Or maybe we find a trade for a catcher to hold the fort for next 1 to 2. If Salty were willing to go 2 yrs would not have problem, just don't see it, coming off his best yr and might be his 1 shot at a multi yr deal in FA.

     
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    McCann is young (29) has been a 7 time all star and a 5 time silver slugger award winner.  He averaged 26 homers and 97 RBIs over a full season during his years with the Braves.  Catchers don't catch every game and the Braves don't have a Red Sox level of offense, so it makes those numbers more remarkable.  This is a Posada level of hitter and better than Tek.  Salty is a mistake style of hitter who can't hit top tier pitching coming off his best season.  It took Salty's best season combined with McCann's worst season to see them have almost equal numbers. 

    I vote to get McCann and let the rest of the league fight over Salty and his close to automatic strike out when he comes up to bat vs. quality pitching.

     
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    No, the sox weren't lucky. They had to give up an excellent 1b to get that deal done. They gave up some good players to obtain him.

    Not everyone shares this opinion, but I consider us fortunate to have gotten out of the A-Gon contract as well. Not that he isn't a good player, but he's simply not the one we thought we were getting when we made that trade with SD and signed him to that big extension. Napoli probably had a better year in 2013.




    Fortunate that the opportunity came along, yup.

    Lucky, nope.

    I think the Sox would've done just fine, with the numbers Gonzalez put up  in LA this year

     
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    Fortunate that the opportunity came along, yup.

    Lucky, nope.

     

    that's pretty sad

    you really can't admit they were lucky to be able to get rid of those guys

    pretty hard to respect that

     

     

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fortunate?s=t

    for·tu·nate /ˈfɔrtʃənɪt/ Show Spelled [fawr-chuh-nit] Show IPA adjective 1. having good fortune ; receiving good from uncertain or unexpected sources; lucky: a fortunate young actor who got the lead in the play.



    Synonyms
    1. advantageous, successful, prosperous. Fortunate, happy, lucky refer to persons who enjoy, or events that produce, good fortune. Fortunate implies that the success is obtained by the operation of favorable circumstances more than by direct effort; it is usually applied to grave or large matters (especially those happening in the ordinary course of things): fortunate in one's choice of a wife; a fortunate investment. Happy emphasizes a pleasant ending or something that happens at just the right moment: By a happy accident I received the package on time. Lucky a more colloquial word, is applied to situations that turn out well by chance: lucky at cards; my lucky day.

     

    luck·y 1 /ˈlʌki/ Show Spelled [luhk-ee] Show IPA adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est. 1. having or marked by good luck ; fortunate: That was my lucky day. 2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.  
    Synonyms
    1. favored. See fortunate . 3. auspicious, propitious, favorable.
    Antonyms
    1. unfortunate.

     

     

     

     

     

    NC2 or 5B's

    that is the question

     
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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:


    Fortunate that the opportunity came along, yup.

    Lucky, nope.

     

    that's pretty sad

    you really can't admit they were lucky to be able to get rid of those guys

    pretty hard to respect that

     

     

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fortunate?s=t

    for·tu·nate /ˈfɔrtʃənɪt/ Show Spelled [fawr-chuh-nit] Show IPA adjective 1. having good fortune ; receiving good from uncertain or unexpected sources; lucky: a fortunate young actor who got the lead in the play.



    Synonyms
    1. advantageous, successful, prosperous. Fortunate, happy, lucky refer to persons who enjoy, or events that produce, good fortune. Fortunate implies that the success is obtained by the operation of favorable circumstances more than by direct effort; it is usually applied to grave or large matters (especially those happening in the ordinary course of things): fortunate in one's choice of a wife; a fortunate investment. Happy emphasizes a pleasant ending or something that happens at just the right moment: By a happy accident I received the package on time. Lucky a more colloquial word, is applied to situations that turn out well by chance: lucky at cards; my lucky day.

     

    luck·y 1 /ˈlʌki/ Show Spelled [luhk-ee] Show IPA adjective, luck·i·er, luck·i·est. 1. having or marked by good luck ; fortunate: That was my lucky day. 2. happening fortunately: a lucky accident.  
    Synonyms
    1. favored. See fortunate . 3. auspicious, propitious, favorable.
    Antonyms
    1. unfortunate.

     

     

     

     

     

    NC2 or 5B's

    that is the question



    Grasping at straws zack.

     
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