Re: If Bobby gets Fired
posted at 9/2/2012 11:32 PM EDT
In response to michaelsjr's comment:
Hard for me to understand why so many BV haters here. Nobody knows what he could have done if he'd been allowed his own coaching staff and didnt have almost every regular starter on DL ice for most of the year. Everybody wants to act like somehow he should have made magic with bench players and dreadful pitching...that it proves he's not a "good fit". There were hundreds of posts on the forum last year about wanting Tito gone. Now folks actually want him rehired as if he could have had a winning season this year. He couldn't get a healthy team to hold a sure-bet lead for post-season last year. But you think he would have made it to post season with this injured and sullen team? They were sullen last year and BV was no where close to the clubhouse.
Getting paid millions doesn't mean you can put personal vendettas ahead of the team. They may very well fire BV, but if I were the owner I'd get rid of the players who insist on carrying grudges because they are putting themselves ahead of the team and will not be consistent winners. I'd tell them to grow up or get lost.
Your remarks come close to expressing my own sentiments.
The Sox came to ST a team demoralized of its own doing. BV was supposed to perk them up and straighten them out. For one thing, that's not how human psychology works -- and definitely not how sports works, based on my own experience as player, coach, and observer. For another even more important thing, BV did not have (ahem ) the full cooperation of all the players from the start. A few said they liked the way he as running thinks. Youk said that "we're going over stuff we'd probably forgotten. Beckett liked how BV was conditioning the pitchers. Regular reports described the routines as crisp and efficient. Sounds to me as though after reaching out to many of the players with personal visits, BV was trying to whip them into shape. After the historic tank job in 2011, BV should have been authorized to use real whips -- or rusty chains. But that club had "loser" inscribed on its hearts. And for good reason. That does not go away quickly or easily.
Then there was all the stuff about dissing and calling out and gaffes, right up to the current flap about Aceves, that model of emotional stability. The truth is that most of this stuff has been run-of-the-mill in professional baseball. and more incendiary in any number of cases, and to say it was blown out of proportion by press and some fans is an understatement.
People ( like Kimmi ) are still talking about the "clubhouse" and "lack of respect." I have twice before on this board challenged people to provide CONCRETE indisputable evidence to support such serious allegations. Once again, to them. What do you know about the clubhouse, and how have you come to know it, specifically? Feel free to cite the players. They are on the record, more than once. Which players do not respect BV? How, specifically, do you know this? I mean really know it. ( "Gee, Petey took a picture of BV sleeping." "Aceves showed him up." Aceves! Please. ) Unless you can back up what you say with compelling evidence, perhaps you should stop saying it, especially in asides or in raw declarative assertions as if ex cathedra.
This team was a psychological train wreck coming into the season, and has been a physical train wreck ever since. Several key players underperformed, including the two top pitchers on the staff.
BV has even been blamed for that. "A better manager would have...." Etc. Much more likely, IMO, is that they were still under the miasma as a carry over from 2011. All of that was their responsibility. They got their talisman manager canned. Now they may make it two in a row.
Managers are not psychotherapists or brain surgeons. And they cannot make grown men ( or semi-grown ) cooperate. For goodness, college coaches cannot always make nineteen-year-olds cooperate. I've seen it.
IMO, by and large BV has been a good tactical manager. Some of the second-guessing has been so out there that it suggests strongly a virulent personal animus that renders judgment null and void. ( Snakeoil, honest guy that he is, said, "I just don't like the guy." ) By and large BV has done an excellent job with the bullpen.
Overall, IMO, he's been more sinned against than sinning.
The Boston Red Sox are a bad baseball team at the moment. Anyone who really believes that another manager ( Terry? Yikes ) would have done better, even a little better, with this collection, including the ones now departed, is dreaming.
In the immortal words of a ten-year-old fan ( a nice little pitcher I'm working with ), "The Sox suck."
And Bobby did it to them.
But, but maybe down the road things will pick up. Pedey is showing signs that he may be growing up. And for the record, I agree with Moon that Gonzalez was a cry baby. Whatever else Beckett was, he was not a cry baby. He had a good last start in LA. I hope he has many more. Even if he slips, the fans won't boo him as he leaves the mound and the press won't rip him, as Ryan and Finn, the resident snark, mistaken for wit, at the Glove, did on Globe 10.0.
Let's hear evidence from the peanut gallery. At least something that might barely pass muster as evidence. On SPECIFIC points. "Well, you can tell that X doesn't like Bobby. He never sits near him in the dugout." "Did you see Lester's face when Bobby took him out?" Uh, uh.