If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him?

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    Of course, the Red Sox will be very agressive on signing CC Sabathia.  The biggest reason is that the Sox want to gain their strength in their rotation at the same time to weaken the Yankees's rotation.  But if CC goes elsewhere, we all should be damn happy too.  
    Posted by GoUconn13


    I can see CC going to the Angels for a 200/million deal and that would be awesome.
     
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    Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him?

    CC's first mega contract - like ARoids first one - were great deals.....heck even Drew's FIRST big deal w/ LAD was a good one....AJ had the same thing happen.....It is what happens after the opt out clause when teams really get burned........

    CC was a great value from 09-11 at under Age 30, but if he gets to re-up his term at a big raise at north of 35 then look out....Especially w/ all of those years w/ 250+ innings........It would be a dissaster....Sox should keep away expect for the ploy to get drive up the bid and perhaps get him at a fair rate......So......either stay in NY ala ARoids or go elsewhere......either way, unless CC doesn't opt out, the yankees lose; man Ca$h-man sux.
     
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    Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him?

    3 loses to the Sox this year.    Some Cy Young candidate!  

    Let's see what he does next time against the Sox.   Right now the Sox know how to beat him ... which makes me want him on the Yankees for a few more years. 
     
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    And we beat him twice in the post season and never lost to him
     
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    And we beat him twice in the post season and never lost to him
    Posted by andrewmitch


    also, not having all those TWINKEE wrappers messing up the SOX clubhouse.
     
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    Is it possible for us to renegotiate lackeys contract to give him an Opt out Clause?
     
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    Is it possible for us to renegotiate lackeys contract to give him an Opt out Clause?
    Posted by tomnev


    Yes, it is! problem is he probably wouldnt opt out..Its not like he has teams beating down Theos door for his services...
     
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    In Response to Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him? : The wanted Damon in 2002 and lost out.  They wanted Manny in 2001 and lost out.  They wanted Schilling in 2003 and lost out.  It doesn't happen often but it does happen. The yankee's financial problem is that stadium was built during a border-line depression that will never completely recover.  Lot of empty seats.......Corporate is keeping them afloat as as city taxes but that simply cannot go on forever.....Sooner or later they will hit a ceiling.  Also, George's money now has to be split.  Yankees are already locked into some contracts waiting to turn really sour - Aroids, Texiera, jeter, AJ.  They have to re-sign Cano at possibly Texeria $.......they have some holes to fill in a couple years - SS, C, OF, DH - could be costly......
    Posted by andrewmitch




    The wanted Damon in 2002 and lost out. They wanted Manny in 2001 and lost out. They wanted Schilling in 2003

    I know the damon part is untrue

    and schilling was a trade
     
    I believe the poster ,like everyone else was talking about FA


    I let you earn some credibility by showing a  link that the sox

    took manny from the yanks, as far as I know it was between bos & clev



    of course the yanks are going broke

    how many times have I read that here over the yrs
     
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    In Response to Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him? : Yes, it is! problem is he probably wouldnt opt out..Its not like he has teams beating down Theos door for his services...
    Posted by southpaw777


    Theo's brilliant "clause" is that if Lackey is hurt during the contract, we get to actually keep him on the roster for a "bonus" year...........Ca$h-man would be proud!
     
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    I think he's gonna leave.  He will certainly opt out because he can double his current contract.  If the Rangers lose CJ Wilson they exceed any offer the yankees throw out there........yankees are going to be in big trouble after this year amd it will only get worse - after all Rivera can not go on forever.........

    Posted by andrewmitch

    And you feel this way because of the conversations you have had with him over lunch?

    No, it's more like you HOPE he's gonna leave.

    Pretty laughable that you think the rangers will exceed any offer the Yanks put out there. Where do you come up with this stuff?

     
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    Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him?

    the yanks don't always get their man. there was a famous story that joe torre, upon meeting gary sheffield, turned to cashman and said that he thought they were getting vlad guerrero.
    the eventually got damon.
    manny.
    schill apparently was very close to going to ny.
    dice-k.
    johan santana.
    cliff lee.

     
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    Is it possible for us to renegotiate lackeys contract to give him an Opt out Clause?
    Posted by tomnev



    good one; however, that would have taken a smart GM to include that in the contract. hell, a smart GM wouldn't have signed the bum in the 1st place.

     
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    In Response to Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him? : And you feel this way because of the conversations you have had with him over lunch? No, it's more like you HOPE he's gonna leave. Pretty laughable that you think the rangers will exceed any offer the Yanks put out there. Where do you come up with this stuff?
    Posted by -TheBabe------


    The only thing more pathetic than a yankee fan who posts here - for no reason other than because he can't take the fact the Sox have won World Series during their lifetime - is a poster who has to change their name every day so he could be heard.  You get to post ONCE per new name before you hit the iggy list.  Make it count.  So sad.....Later!!!!!! 
     
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    the yanks don't always get their man. there was a famous story that joe torre, upon meeting gary sheffield, turned to cashman and said that he thought they were getting vlad guerrero. the eventually got damon. manny. schill apparently was very close to going to ny. dice-k. johan santana. cliff lee.
    Posted by kbair


    If you do a simple market analysis, the main reason by far, the yankee have been successful is they play in the largest media market known to man which equals money.  Second biggest reason is Roids but to not upset some yankee fans, let's just call that a distant second........Sox aren't even in the Top 5 Baseball Markets - you have to run a much more efficient and smart organization.....that's why I call their GM the Ca$h man - it's all they really know what to do - throw money at the problems......
     
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    Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him?

    "The wanted Damon in 2002 and lost out.  They wanted Manny in 2001 and lost out.  They wanted Schilling in 2003 and lost out.  It doesn't happen often but it does happen."

    As someone else already pointed out, I meant the Yanks don't get outbid monetarily when they want a player.  Trades are a different story altogether so Schilling wouldn't be a good example.  I also don't remember the Sox and Yanks bidding against each other for Damon or Manny.  If you can show me something to the contrary, I will admit I was wrong
     
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    They wanted Damon and Giambi but were too caught up in getting Giambi first and lost out on Damon

    They wanted Manny and Mussina but were even more caught up in going after Mussina and Duke was pretty focused going after Manny

    I realize that Schilling was a trade but it was a little unique in that he had to approve a trade and was requiring an extension

    You could put Dice K on the list - that was a straight bid

    I think they also tried to get Mirabelli when he hit F/A

    I know there only a few examples but it does happen

    Again, look at how many times they tried to get Cliff Lee and failed...
     
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    In Response to Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him? : The only thing more pathetic than a yankee fan who posts here - for no reason other than because he can't take the fact the Sox have won World Series during their lifetime - is a poster who has to change their name every day so he could be heard.  You get to post ONCE per new name before you hit the iggy list.  Make it count.  So sad.....Later!!!!!! 

    Posted by andrewmitch

    Awww...what's the matter andrewbitch? Can't take the truth?

     
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    the sox should definately not go after Sabathia.  He is too fat and he breaks down all the time.  How can a fat man of 300 lbs pitch an entire season, can't be done. 
     
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    the sox should definately not go after Sabathia.  He is too fat and he breaks down all the time.  How can a fat man of 300 lbs pitch an entire season, can't be done. 
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    They wanted Damon and Giambi but were too caught up in getting Giambi first and lost out on Damon They wanted Manny and Mussina but were even more caught up in going after Mussina and Duke was pretty focused going after Manny I realize that Schilling was a trade but it was a little unique in that he had to approve a trade and was requiring an extension You could put Dice K on the list - that was a straight bid I think they also tried to get Mirabelli when he hit F/A I know there only a few examples but it does happen Again, look at how many times they tried to get Cliff Lee and failed...
    Posted by andrewmitch
    Is this your recollection of things, or do you have anything provable? You've been asked at least three times for a link; but you just keep on saying the same thing, The yanks had a guy called Williams playing center, when Damon hit the
    market, the damon thing never happened. Manny signed his monster contract with the Sox the same year Jeter signed his monster contract with the Yanks, and the yanks signed Mussina at an average of 14 million plus per. The manny thing didn't happen either. And Doug Mirabelli???? Really!! They didn't get Lee the first time because it was up to the Mariners GM; not Lee; they didn't get Lee the second time, because he wanted to play for Phils .... period. I know you hate the Yanks -- and that's cool --- this is the right place for it, I guess. But you can't make stuff up and not expect people to call you on it.

     
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    jete, are you talking in tongues?  how about some words to explain your post........and you cannot deny that fat man sabathia is going down before the end of this season.
     
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    by Bob Klapisch/FoxSports Updated Jul 19, 2011 7:50 PM ET CC Sabathia's recent run of excellence has been both historic and daunting for Yankee officials, who are preparing to pay handsomely for their dependence on him. First things first: the lefthander, who leads the majors with 14 wins and is on his way to a Cy Young Award, has gone five straight starts of at least seven innings each, not allowing more than one run.   It’s been 30 years since a Yankee pitcher has been that dominant; not even Roger Clemens in his prime was able to match that, as a similar streak of his lasted only four starts in 1999. Question is, how much is this going to cost the Yankees when Sabathia exercises the opt-out in his contract? He was awarded that clause as an incentive to sign a seven-year deal as a free agent in 2008 — the right to become a free agent after the third year. Sabathia enjoys pitching for the Yankees, and there’s no glaring reason to believe he’ll actually leave. But, given that leverage, there’s no reason for him not to use it, either. Remember, Sabathia is two years younger than Cliff Lee, who will be earning $25 million a year starting in 2013. The topic came up in spring training, and Sabathia’s non-answers were most revealing. When asked if he was leaving, staying or somewhere in between, Sabathia said, “I’m here” and cut off further questions. Do the Yankees have second thoughts about being so vulnerable? Hardly, says GM Brian Cashman, who said, given the circumstances of Sabathia’s free agency after the ’08 season has “no regrets” about the generous language. The reason, he says, should be obvious to any Yankee historian. The Bombers failed to make it to the playoffs that year, and were about to move into their new ballpark in 2009. The Steinbrenner family decided it would spend whatever was necessary to ensure a busy October in 2009, and gave Cashman the mandate to load up the roster.   That meant signing A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira , who was being simultaneously pursued by the Angels. Cashman feared Anaheim would turn its sights on Sabathia, figuring the come-home sales pitch to the California native would trump the lure of being a Yankee. So Cashman told Sabathia he could leave after three years if he didn’t like New York. The lefthander has since assimilated into the clubhouse, not to mention won his first World Series ring, which means the Bombers are confident he’ll remain in Pinstripes in 2012 and beyond But for how much? Sabathia, who’ll soon turn 31, will likely ask for $26-$27 million a year for another seven years. The Yankees would be understandably wary of any contract that takes Sabathia that close to his 40th birthday - he's thrown more innings than any pitcher since 2007, and underwent knee surgery last winter. But what choice would the Steinbrenners have except to grant Sabathia's wish to become the richest pitcher in history?
    Posted by jesseyerica


    Even if CC finally decides that family and friends are more important than money or just playing in NY, no other team will/nor should they offer him more.  CC, stays in NY, or probably takes less from another club to for personal reasons.
     
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    In Response to Re: If CC Sabathia exercised the opt-out in his contract at the end of the season, should the Sox sign him? : Is this your recollection of things, or do you have anything provable? You've been asked at least three times for a link; but you just keep on saying the same thing, The yanks had a guy called Williams playing center, when Damon hit the market, the damon thing never happened. Manny signed his monster contract with the Sox the same year Jeter signed his monster contract with the Yanks, and the yanks signed Mussina at an average of 14 million plus per. The manny thing didn't happen either. And Doug Mirabelli???? Really!! They didn't get Lee the first time because it was up to the Mariners GM; not Lee; they didn't get Lee the second time, because he wanted to play for Phils .... period. I know you hate the Yanks -- and that's cool --- this is the right place for it, I guess. But you can't make stuff up and not expect people to call you on it.
    Posted by pri360


    Yeah, let me spend the next few days trying to find a link from 10 years ago....That's what happened......take it or leave it........"call me out" all you want but I have no reason or time to waste making stuff up on the internet.....as far as CF/Williams goes they wanted Damon b/c they wanted a lead off hitter.......

    Again, I have already conceded they usually get the FA's...that's simply of function of setting up shop in the largest media market in the history of history.

    Also, in the past I have provided sources and they go largely ignored so what's the point (eg my claim that Theo signed Drew to bat 5th)..........
     
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    That's what happened......take it or leave it........"call me out" all you want but I have no reason or time to waste making stuff up on the internet.....as far as CF/Williams goes they wanted Damon b/c they wanted a lead off hitter.......





    As the Yankees were wrapping up the Giambi negotiations, Giambi lobbied the Yankees to sign his buddy Damon to play left field. The Yankees decided they had a better idea; they signed Rondell White for $10 million over two years, leaving Damon to sign four days later with the Red Sox for $31 million over four years.

    “Giambi tried to talk them into signing me,” Damon said. “Rondell beat me to the punch. I heard there was one person who didn’t want me there.” Damon declined to identify the person with the Yankees who did not want him.”

    While it’s easy to chalk this one up to revisionist Joe Torre history, from the sound of it, Damon would have come to New York, and some members of the organization wanted him.



    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/02/what-if-signing-damon-in-2002-8343/

     
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