Re: If I am New York I will tell Sabathia to BITE ME!
posted at 10/9/2011 10:27 PM EDT
In Response to Re: If I am New York I will tell Sabathia to BITE ME!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: If I am New York I will tell Sabathia to BITE ME! : To begin with I'm not putting words in your mouth. You stated: Plus, did CC lead them to a 2011 championship to deserve a raise?? That would clearly imply that you don't agree that he should be get a new or better contract. I'd suggest that his performance over the last three years would show that he's earned what he's been paid, .. would be the best pitcher available if he decided to opt out, (which he'll almost certainly do, or at least renegotiate with the Yankees), ... and he'll certainly get a better and longer deal than the 4yrs/92 mil remaining on his Yankee contract. As a Yankee fan I might not like it but the fact is the Yankees gave him this provision. Only a fool wouldn't take advantage of it. You might not think that Toronto, the Chicago teams, the LAA or Rangers or even Phils are a good fits for any number of reasons but they all have the need and the resources so they are in fact candidates. That pretty much trumps any and all reasons and i n time we'll see if they have the will . Whether they make an effort or not will be a matter dependent upon a number of variables. But, the all have the means and the need. The RS are a good landing spot for him too, all things considered, because they too need starting pitching, an ace, and because it would do significant harm to one of their main rivals. One of the biggest things working against them, as you suggest, is that the RS are feeling a bit snake bit about big time FA contracts with long term nine figure commitments thanks to Lackey and to a lesser extent Crawford. That, however, is not a good reason to not sign the right player. But, the other major factors are that the manager needs to be replaced and perhaps the GM too. Until those two things are settled it's less likely that the RS will move to acquire anyone of significance. As far as the whole troll thing, .. it's a useless concept. Anytime someone that isn't a card carrying member of the Nation says anything around here they're suspect. And, if they say anything critical or disagreeable no matter whether it's intelligent, "respectful" or otherwise they're a troll. If you disagree tell me why I'm wrong rather than beat me over the head with my team preference. Is it worse that a Yankee fan post something here that you disagree with or that a RS fan, like that Smiley numskull makes one after another idiotic threads or post? Because while you might not agree with the former, .. the latter causes far more trouble. The notion that a blog or message board is or should be exclusive to it's constituency is illogical as it is counter productive. The whole idea behind blogs/message boards/Internet is to discuss, share and expand communication and knowledge. To get more insight into the topic being discussed. Since the RS don't exist n a vacuum if "RS blogs are limited to ust the Nation than clearly limits the experience and the benefits. Also, if this is a "Red Sox" message board what's the reasoning for this thread? "... which one are you hobrien?" It doesn't matter. While knowing I'm a Yankee fan might give you information regarding my perspective it doesn't change the logic or lack of same when I post something. If you've issue with my ideas or logic then address that and in short order it wont matter that I'm a life long Yankee fan that happens to visit this as well as a number of other blogs to discuss baseball in general.
Posted by heobrien[/QUOTE]
Well heobrien, you obviously are here to talk baseball and not to instigate or incite Red Sox fans so that rules out the troll concept at least in my eyes right now.
However, I don't have to disagree with you on some of your comments to classify you as a Yankee troll. Actually, quite the opposite, some of the best discussions regarding the Sox and Yanks are those that involve fans from both teams providing input.
With this said, I will now disagree with you on a few points...
- 1 - The Phillies do NOT have a "need" for a guy like Sabathia in their rotation, they are stacked with a high priced pitching staff now.
- 2 - Toronto would never invest in a contract like Sabathia's, or they would have paid Halladay who's a better pitcher!
- 3 - Most of these teams that you mention that would have interest would likely be hesitant to invest more than $23 million a season for a guy who will be 33 next season and has a weight issue, even though his extra weight has not been a hindrance so far, but as he gets older there are greater chances it will surface as an issue.
As things stand now, I agree with you that the uncertainty of the Sox front office will deter them from joining in any serious conversations for CC's services. Even if they get their house in order before free agency opens, the MO of this organization is not to pay long term contracts to players at their latter prime years, so although there is definitely need the Sox will NOT invest in CC other than to try to increase the final price the Yankees pay.
Unless a team like the Angels steps up and offers him a comparable deal and he really doesn't want to pitch in NY, my money would go that he re-ups with the Yanks at 4/$100 - but hey...to the Yanks that's nothing!
In closing, I have enjoyed our baseball discussion about one of the better Yankee players who desires even greener pastures than he has today...but like you stated..."Only a fool wouldn't take advantage of it"...so it will be an interesting hot stove season, don't you think?