If I Had To Pick MVP of Game #4 It Would Go To.....

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    That walk was nice, but I guarantee you that Lefty wasn't worried one bit about Bogaerts. After Ellsbury got the hit, Maddon had to change Pitchers, that was BIG. Maddon over Managed at that point.

     
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    Peavy/Breslow co-mvp's.

     

     
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    If Sox had lost 1-0 there really would have been intresting discussions. Think the Sox scored 3 runs with only 2 balls going out of infield. Hard to do.

     
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    If Sox had lost 1-0 there really would have been intresting discussions.

    Morning BSu..congrats bud..Wink


     
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    Good morning Jete, and thanks. Got out of work early last night, had to. hahahahaha

     
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    That walk was nice, but I guarantee you that Lefty wasn't worried one bit about Bogaerts. After Ellsbury got the hit, Maddon had to change Pitchers, that was BIG. Maddon over Managed at that point.




    I am starting to see that Madden really does over-manage just to over-manage

    There is a limit and he goes over it

    He would had been destroyed in G5

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 




     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.

     
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    I think Koji just over threw the pitch, trying to finish it off.  No way you want to risk hitting him and bringing the tying run to the plate. 

    Stabbed by Foulke.




    Bingo

     
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    By the way nobody is wrong on their comments. Beautiful Team win. Alot of smart Baseball Played yesterday by the Sox. Win more games with your brain than you think.

     
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    MVPs -- no particular order.

    Peavy-Breslow-Koji-Victorino-Ellsbury-Bogaerts.

     

     
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    Peavy.He kept them in the game, then Breslow. Good pitching always beats...... 



    Its absolutely Peavy...a brilliant start that was so needed and he came through....

     
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    I'd like to steal a quote from one of all time favorite NON-Red Sox players - KIRK GIBSON

    After every Dodger win in 1988 he would stand up in the locker room and shout "WHAT A TEAM WHAT A TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     




     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.

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    I think it was a "message pitch".

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     
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    Peavy. He did exactly what was needed for the majority of the game. Then Breslow. Then Koji. Honorable mention: Ellsbury, Vic, Bogaerts.
    Dishonorable mention: Napoli, Salty

     

    WE ARE ALL JUST POPPYSEEDS IN THE BAKERY OF LIFE

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     
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    Too many to pick, but the crucial time in the game was Ellsbury. Walks are huge granted, but you need to hit. Heads up play to get to third, after wild pitch. Without that hit, nothing matters. Against tough Lefty too.
    Breslow was fantastic, but Farrell gets the credit, saw that Peavy was starting to get hit, kept it manageable.
    Total team effort.

    Great post. Ellsbury is my pick as well. We go nowhere without that line single to center which moved Bogaerts to 3rd and he got it off of a tough leftie throwing 97 mph heat. Then on the wild pitch he gets all the way to 3rd base on the wild pitch for the winning run. How often does anyone get from 1st to 3rd on a wild pitch? Those two plays turned the game around and put us on the path to winning.


     
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    A lot of great posts here. My initial thought is Breslow (what an electric performance, after a great season that has largely been under the radar), though you could make definitely make a case for several others.

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     

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    A HBP is a HBP. It doesn't matter if it's in the strike zone or not.

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     

     



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     

     

     

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    A HBP is a HBP. It doesn't matter if it's in the strike zone or not.

     

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    Wrong.  You can not lean over the dish to get hit.  If a batter leans into the strike zone and gets plunked, the ump can and should call that it a Strike. 

     

    Furthermore, the batter does have a responsibility to ATTEMPT to get out of the way.  It's strictly a judgement call but that's the rule.  Why do you think teams argue when a guy gets hit who is leaning over the plate and makes no attempt to get out of the way?

     
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    Doesn't look like Ortiz gets any votes. Where was his bat?

     
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    Doesn't look like Ortiz gets any votes. Where was his bat?




    He hit into the shift a couple of times........

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     

     

     



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     

     

     

     

     

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    A HBP is a HBP. It doesn't matter if it's in the strike zone or not.

     

     

     

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    Wrong.  You can not lean over the dish to get hit.  If a batter leans into the strike zone and gets plunked, the ump can and should call that it a Strike. 

     

     

    Furthermore, the batter does have a responsibility to ATTEMPT to get out of the way.  It's strictly a judgement call but that's the rule.  Why do you think teams argue when a guy gets hit who is leaning over the plate and makes no attempt to get out of the way?

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    Because he makes no attempt to get out of the way.

    It has nothing to do with where he is.

    If you hang over the plate, get pitched in, turn your body to attempt to avoid getting hit and one elbow still get's clipped, while in the strike zone, it's a HBP.

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     

     

     

     



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    A HBP is a HBP. It doesn't matter if it's in the strike zone or not.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Wrong.  You can not lean over the dish to get hit.  If a batter leans into the strike zone and gets plunked, the ump can and should call that it a Strike. 

     

     

     

    Furthermore, the batter does have a responsibility to ATTEMPT to get out of the way.  It's strictly a judgement call but that's the rule.  Why do you think teams argue when a guy gets hit who is leaning over the plate and makes no attempt to get out of the way?

     

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    Because he makes no attempt to get out of the way.

     

    It has nothing to do with where he is.

    If you hang over the plate, get pitched in, turn your body to attempt to avoid getting hit and one elbow still get's clipped, while in the strike zone, it's a HBP.

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    I think you need to go check the rule book.

    Seriously, think about it.  Verlander mowing everybody down with called strikes.  What would prevent a team from throwing themselves into the first strike pitch every AB until you walk a bunch of runs in?  Put on some body armor and get at it!!!!!!! Sorry, doesn't work that way. 

     
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    Doesn't look like Ortiz gets any votes. Where was his bat?

     




    He hit into the shift a couple of times........

     

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    PLUS he did get 1 hit. He had a streak of 7 times in a row on base I think broken last night.

     
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    How about Uehara for throwing at Longoria's head?

     

    Sure, Anderson said it "got away."   But we all knew Koji was saying "Really?  You hit Victorino FOUR TIMES!!?" 

     

     




     

     

     

    No retribution involved.  He overthrew the pitch. 

     

    Victorino was hit what, 18 times this year?  And most of them were in August and September when he was batting almost exclusively from the right side.  He stands right on top of the plate, heck a couple of the HBPs were borderline strikes.



    I think it was a "message pitch".

     

    Yes, Shane is sometimes in the K zone when hit or very close to it.

     

     

     

     

     



    If a player is hit IN the K zone how is that called? I mean, it can't be called a hit batsman. My guess is that its a strike, but I don't know for sure.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    A HBP is a HBP. It doesn't matter if it's in the strike zone or not.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Wrong.  You can not lean over the dish to get hit.  If a batter leans into the strike zone and gets plunked, the ump can and should call that it a Strike. 

     

     

     

     

    Furthermore, the batter does have a responsibility to ATTEMPT to get out of the way.  It's strictly a judgement call but that's the rule.  Why do you think teams argue when a guy gets hit who is leaning over the plate and makes no attempt to get out of the way?

     

     

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    Because he makes no attempt to get out of the way.

     

     

    It has nothing to do with where he is.

    If you hang over the plate, get pitched in, turn your body to attempt to avoid getting hit and one elbow still get's clipped, while in the strike zone, it's a HBP.

     

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    I think you need to go check the rule book.

     

    Seriously, think about it.  Verlander mowing everybody down with called strikes.  What would prevent a team from throwing themselves into the first strike pitch every AB until you walk a bunch of runs in?  Put on some body armor and get at it!!!!!!! Sorry, doesn't work that way. 

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    I did and you are correct.

    6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when— (a) Four “balls” have been called by the umpire; Rule 6.08(a) Comment: A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game. If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is enti- tled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed. (b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball; If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

     

     

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