If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 11:34 AM EDT
Hypothetical scenario here and I'm looking for two answers. First question is what the Sox should do? And secondly what you think they will do?
With Drew questionable for opening day it appears the door is open for Iggy to be our opening day short stop. If Iglesias hits, then what happens when drew comes back? does Iggy get sent down to Pawtucket? Or do the sox find a new home for Drew.?
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 11:39 AM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
Hypothetical scenario here and I'm looking for two answers. First question is what the Sox should do? And secondly what you think they will do?
With Drew questionable for opening day it appears the door is open for Iggy to be our opening day short stop. If Iglesias hits, then what happens when drew comes back? does Iggy get sent down to Pawtucket? Or do the sox find a new home for Drew.?
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 11:46 AM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
Hypothetical scenario here and I'm looking for two answers. First question is what the Sox should do? And secondly what you think they will do?
With Drew questionable for opening day it appears the door is open for Iggy to be our opening day short stop. If Iglesias hits, then what happens when drew comes back? does Iggy get sent down to Pawtucket? Or do the sox find a new home for Drew.?
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 11:49 AM EDT
Drew plays whenever he is healthy. Iggy goes to AAA. If Drew acts all Drewy and is injured 50% of the time, then fine. Try to move him and give Iggy the chance to strike out/ground out 5 times a game because you have no one else. If Drew stays healthy, trade Iggy to an NL team that can accept a shortstop who can't hit. The Red Sox can not. I'm not sure why people don't understand this. Iggy is probably not going to play much for the Boston Red Sox. He is a bust.
edit: actually scratch that. If Drew can't play, Ciriaco steps in. Iggy is destined for Pawtucket and then the trading block. I wish him well wherever he goes.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:09 PM EDT
People have been having these same conversations about Iggy for two years now. If he hits at all he will be the starting SS. But he never has.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:10 PM EDT
In my opinion, if Iggy is hitting at a respectable level he stays. His defense is light years above Drews so the bar is low. If he's hitting .240 ish his defense makes up for him but seeing how the majority of baseball under severely undervalue defense it becomes hard to understand. Now if Iggy's BA > .260 then it's a no-brainer.
But I suspect he will be sent back down regardless, but if he continues to hit down in AAA or Drew struggles then Iggy comes back soon.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:23 PM EDT
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:31 PM EDT
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:32 PM EDT
Go IggyRe: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:35 PM EDT
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:40 PM EDT
The Sox should go with Iggy to start the season. It's the perfect opportunity, as this injury gives him "a shot" to show what he can do, with the reduced pressure of being expected to play a staring role.
My guess is.... The Sox will start with Ciriaco. No problem! I really like Ciriaco :) The kid can field and HIT. Still, I would like to see Iggy get the nod. Time to find out if he can be a big league hitter. Good ST, so go with it!
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:44 PM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
Hypothetical scenario here and I'm looking for two answers. First question is what the Sox should do? And secondly what you think they will do?
With Drew questionable for opening day it appears the door is open for Iggy to be our opening day short stop. If Iglesias hits, then what happens when drew comes back? does Iggy get sent down to Pawtucket? Or do the sox find a new home for Drew.?
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:48 PM EDT
No doubt that this team becomes a lot more interesting with Iglesias at SS and Bradley in the OF mix at the start of the year. From a fan's perspective. I can see Iglesias starting at SS but I still think they will keep Bradley in AAA until his service time issues insure that extra year of control. I think most of us would like to se Bradley in the starting lineup though from a fan's perspective.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:50 PM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
While I generally agree with the majority of this I just want to say that I think we overestimate how often and soon prospects will be able to contribute at the MLB level. Prospects also don't always reach the ceilings we assume they will or they bust. Kalish, Bowden, Place. Anyone remember Lar Anderson? Don't look now but Xander Bogaerts has mashed it up until now, don't accuse me of Blasphemy but if he severely struggles this year his career will oddly resemble Lars up until then. You sign the stop gap player because you don't want to commit long term and block a top prospect. Also very often top prospects do become good valuable players but it takes them some time to develop, like Clay Buccholz. Just because a player has nothing left to prove in the minors doesn't mean he won't struggle off the bat in the bigs. Sometimes they are still developing and need to make adjustments.
How much better would the Sox be had they signed a stop-gap veteran to give Anthony Rizzo the extra year to develop instead of trading him for A-Gon?
If Iggy gets the chance to start the season and doesn't look lost at the plate, I'm all for keeping him.
Young players who mash in the minors don't always pan out so it is sometimes of a crpshoot on which ones to stick with and which ones to trade. The Red Sox have done quite well for the most part in choosing which ones to stick with and which ones to trade.
In Rizzo's case, I don't think they gave up on him. They just didn't want to wait so they went and got A-Gon.
Anderson, David Murphy and Brandon Moss were all right calls. Yes, Murphy is a nice player but at the time, there was no room and he's hardly an All-Star. He's a very replaceable type of player. And to me, the jury still is out on Josh Reddick. He hit 30 homers last year but most of his other stats were medicore or poor. It will be interesting to see if he build on last year or turns is just a flash in a pan.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 12:55 PM EDT
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 1:00 PM EDT
In response to craze4sox's comment:
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
Hypothetical scenario here and I'm looking for two answers. First question is what the Sox should do? And secondly what you think they will do?
With Drew questionable for opening day it appears the door is open for Iggy to be our opening day short stop. If Iglesias hits, then what happens when drew comes back? does Iggy get sent down to Pawtucket? Or do the sox find a new home for Drew.?
I think regardless of whether Iggy hits he won't start over Ciriaco. If Drew is on the DL for any length of time this season, then I could see Iggy and Ciriaco sharing the position. At the moment Iggy is still considered our number three SS.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 1:06 PM EDT
In response to royf19's comment:
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
While I generally agree with the majority of this I just want to say that I think we overestimate how often and soon prospects will be able to contribute at the MLB level. Prospects also don't always reach the ceilings we assume they will or they bust. Kalish, Bowden, Place. Anyone remember Lar Anderson? Don't look now but Xander Bogaerts has mashed it up until now, don't accuse me of Blasphemy but if he severely struggles this year his career will oddly resemble Lars up until then. You sign the stop gap player because you don't want to commit long term and block a top prospect. Also very often top prospects do become good valuable players but it takes them some time to develop, like Clay Buccholz. Just because a player has nothing left to prove in the minors doesn't mean he won't struggle off the bat in the bigs. Sometimes they are still developing and need to make adjustments.
Too many fans are impatient in letting young players develop. I'd rather sign a stop-gap veteran to give the young player an extra few months or a year to develop, rather than sign or trade for a high-priced veteran and losing that young player.
How much better would the Sox be had they signed a stop-gap veteran to give Anthony Rizzo the extra year to develop instead of trading him for A-Gon?
If Iggy gets the chance to start the season and doesn't look lost at the plate, I'm all for keeping him.
Young players who mash in the minors don't always pan out so it is sometimes of a crpshoot on which ones to stick with and which ones to trade. The Red Sox have done quite well for the most part in choosing which ones to stick with and which ones to trade.
In Rizzo's case, I don't think they gave up on him. They just didn't want to wait so they went and got A-Gon.
Anderson, David Murphy and Brandon Moss were all right calls. Yes, Murphy is a nice player but at the time, there was no room and he's hardly an All-Star. He's a very replaceable type of player. And to me, the jury still is out on Josh Reddick. He hit 30 homers last year but most of his other stats were medicore or poor. It will be interesting to see if he build on last year or turns is just a flash in a pan.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 1:18 PM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
In response to royf19's comment:
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The signing of Drew was probably the most inexplicable move of the off season. Time to admit that it was a mistake and cut our losses. Iglesias should be the shortstop. Ciriaco should be the backup infielder. Bogaerts should be the future third baseman. Middlebrooks would then move to first. The other option would be for Bogaerts to move to left field. The Sox need to resist the urge to sign stop gap mediocre veterans.
While I generally agree with the majority of this I just want to say that I think we overestimate how often and soon prospects will be able to contribute at the MLB level. Prospects also don't always reach the ceilings we assume they will or they bust. Kalish, Bowden, Place. Anyone remember Lar Anderson? Don't look now but Xander Bogaerts has mashed it up until now, don't accuse me of Blasphemy but if he severely struggles this year his career will oddly resemble Lars up until then. You sign the stop gap player because you don't want to commit long term and block a top prospect. Also very often top prospects do become good valuable players but it takes them some time to develop, like Clay Buccholz. Just because a player has nothing left to prove in the minors doesn't mean he won't struggle off the bat in the bigs. Sometimes they are still developing and need to make adjustments.
Too many fans are impatient in letting young players develop. I'd rather sign a stop-gap veteran to give the young player an extra few months or a year to develop, rather than sign or trade for a high-priced veteran and losing that young player.
How much better would the Sox be had they signed a stop-gap veteran to give Anthony Rizzo the extra year to develop instead of trading him for A-Gon?
If Iggy gets the chance to start the season and doesn't look lost at the plate, I'm all for keeping him.
Young players who mash in the minors don't always pan out so it is sometimes of a crpshoot on which ones to stick with and which ones to trade. The Red Sox have done quite well for the most part in choosing which ones to stick with and which ones to trade.
In Rizzo's case, I don't think they gave up on him. They just didn't want to wait so they went and got A-Gon.
Anderson, David Murphy and Brandon Moss were all right calls. Yes, Murphy is a nice player but at the time, there was no room and he's hardly an All-Star. He's a very replaceable type of player. And to me, the jury still is out on Josh Reddick. He hit 30 homers last year but most of his other stats were medicore or poor. It will be interesting to see if he build on last year or turns is just a flash in a pan.
Exactly, and might I add that while I like Murphy and think a player like him adds value to the team I think when players like him are prospects fans expect them to be all-stars when they reach the majors. A player who comes to mind now is a Bryce Brentz. Whlie I think he could be good, I don't think he will ever be a middle of the order bat.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 1:56 PM EDT
Ciriaco has a career .299 OBP in the minors (a huge sample size). His MLB sample size is scattered and small.
To criticize Iggy for his OBP and assume Pedro can be a plus offensive player over a long stretch is pushing it.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:00 PM EDT
In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:
No doubt that this team becomes a lot more interesting with Iglesias at SS and Bradley in the OF mix at the start of the year. From a fan's perspective. I can see Iglesias starting at SS but I still think they will keep Bradley in AAA until his service time issues insure that extra year of control. I think most of us would like to se Bradley in the starting lineup though from a fan's perspective.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:07 PM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Ciriaco has a career .299 OBP in the minors (a huge sample size). His MLB sample size is scattered and small.
To criticize Iggy for his OBP and assume Pedro can be a plus offensive player over a long stretch is pushing it.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:11 PM EDT
Exactly, Pedro isn't a starter. I love I'm on our bench though. Good speed, good contact hitter, can play multiple infield position.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:23 PM EDT
If Drew's ready, he should and will start the season. If Drew is hurt or needs more at-bats, he can start the season in Pawtucket on a re-hab assignment, and replace Iglesias when he's ready. If Drew falters, and Iglesias plays well, Iglesias will win the position. If both Drew & Iglesias play well, Drew can be traded for a prospect.
Drew has looked good on defense, and there's no reason to expect that he will miss significant time with a concussion. To me, it looks like the Sox got a pretty good value that could lead to decent return at the break.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:24 PM EDT
There are exactly 10,000,000 reasons why Drew will be starting as soon as he leaves the disabled list. He's currently on the disabled list, even though they don't have to make official roster moves for another couple of weeks.
This managment reacts and compounds the mistakes it makes. It then spends a season reinforcing the mistake. It then writes off the mistake. It then rinses and repeats the mistake. They don't have any plan on SS, except to keep up the endless comedy of searching for a slugger they can stick at SS.
Re: If Iggy hits?
posted at 3/17/2013 2:27 PM EDT
In response to softlaw2's comment:
There are exactly 10,000,000 reasons why Drew will be starting as soon as he leaves the disabled list. He's currently on the disabled list, even though they don't have to make official roster moves for another couple of weeks.
This managment reacts and compounds the mistakes it makes. It then spends a season reinforcing the mistake. It then writes off the mistake. It then rinses and repeats the mistake. They don't have any plan on SS, except to keep up the endless comedy of searching for a slugger they can stick at SS.
