If Sox fail to sign Lester

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    If Sox fail to sign Lester

    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

    Slide Henry as your number 5 and let him grow

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    If they let Lester walk, might as well trade lackey and do a reload

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  

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    IMHO, there are no other moves.  There is no 'next'.  Like you said, there is no reason to let Lester walk and sign Scherzer.  That leaves us with Lackey (who is on the old side), Buchholz (who is questionable), then DLR (certainly no lock), maybe Workman, and maybe Ranaudo or Webster.

    That won't win.  Even if we added Stanton, 2 or 3 of those guys will struggle, and maybe no one is under 4.00.

    Like the previous guy said, we might as well sell off at that point.

     
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    If they let Lester walk then they're incompetent.  What'll they do -- trade some prospects for another front-line starter? Then cry about how much money they're paying for the salary?

    Maybe they like getting the league's highest ticket prices for a mediocre team. Question is, how long will it last? That's why they brought in Crawford, because Theo had said something about a "bridge year" and they panicked, thinking they'd lose revenues. They had Gonzales but figured that wasn't enough, so Werner came out and said something about looking forward to still another big signing. That was Crawford. But it's OK. Werner still has a job.

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

    a few thoughts.

    You can't win a championship without a top of the line starter.

    If the sox don't sign Lester, they are saying they won't spend the money on a pitcher on the wrong side of the 30.

    it's not often you can acquire one of those guys on the right side of 30. 

    Therefore the sox would be accepting not being a contender for a couple years. 

    Would it not make sense then to have an absolute fire sale. Lester, Lackey, Napoli, Victorino, Gomes, Koji. actually anyone in the bullpen. Anyone over 30 not named ortiz or pedrioa. 

    Then they would have to go after some high end pitching prospect sacrificing some minor league depth to do so. 

     

    Or, they could just sign Jon Lester and continue to compete. 

     
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    In response to chickenandboose's comment:

    Slide Henry as your number 5 and let him grow




    Solid idea...John seems a little too old for this youth movement, but I've been surprised before!

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    Easy solution.....Get two pitcher who can win 9-10= 18 wins or 20 wins... Beats Lesters 150 mil contract

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    Easy solution.....Get two pitcher who can win 9-10= 18 wins or 20 wins... Beats Lesters 150 mil contract



    Nope. Have fun never making it passed the first round

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  




    Any team that relies on Clay Buchholz to make a positive impact will get exactly what they deserve.

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    Easy solution.....Get two pitcher who can win 9-10= 18 wins or 20 wins... Beats Lesters 150 mil contract



    Nope. Have fun never making it passed the first round




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    If we replace Lester with two mediocre SPs that win 9 games each, we ain't getting to the first round.  On the plus side for Don, we might wind up with a protected pick if we lose Lester.

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  

    Any team that relies on Clay Buchholz to make a positive impact will get exactly what they deserve.


    Like a championship, last year.

     

     
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    Lets look at the Rotation going into 2015 if Lester leaves. Lackey, Buchholz.
    Workman and RDLR, up and down.
    Doubront erratic.
    Rookies, with very little experience or none.
    They had better sign Lester. Sox will be in a world of hurt next year.

     
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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    Easy solution.....Get two pitcher who can win 9-10= 18 wins or 20 wins... Beats Lesters 150 mil contract



    Nope. Have fun never making it passed the first round




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    If we replace Lester with two mediocre SPs that win 9 games each, we ain't getting to the first round.  On the plus side for Don, we might wind up with a protected pick if we lose Lester.



    Hammels ? way cheaper and that's management thinking.

     
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    I agree. No good options for "replacing" Lester. We're lucky enough to have a few pitching prospects close to ready to step in, but none should be expected to fill the void Jon will leave. If they won't spend big money to keep him here, they're not going to spend (and surrender a draft pick) on someone like Scherzer or Shields...and assuming there's any truth to the Hamels rumors, I'd rather just sign Lester and use our trade pieces for a bat.

    I feel like if the team was going to make a good-faith attempt to retain him, it would have happened by now. If it's true that the last offer that was made was the 4 yrs, $70 mil in spring training, that is borderline malpractice by the front office...and that's coming from someone who is usually inclined to give the team the benefit of the doubt.

    A deadline trade to bring in top young talent would salvage the mess at least somewhat, but I fear that won't happen and we'll just watch him walk away this winter.

     
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    ...the team is f-ked.

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

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    What do you think Sox will do next?  We have pretty good SP depth but none will likely replace Lester right away.  Are you comfortable with Lackey as our #1 SP?  Does FO, once again, rely on Buccholz to turn things around next season?  Trade?  If they are not willing to give what Lester wants, I don't really see them go out and sign an ace like Scherzer who will certainly cost more than Lester.  



    Three words "we are scre..." if the FO can't sign Jon, especially if he ends up on a rival.  Lackey is not as reliable nor is Clay or anyone else especially in a money game which is exactly what the FO shouldn't be playing with Jon hoping for some ridiculous home town discount.  We have already placed all our eggs in our young positional players will very little results so far and maybe not even another year or two.  Take our most reliable pitcher our of the equation and our FO may as well write in another fifth or sixth place finish next season.

     
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    Things are changing fast. They almost HAVE to trade him, and soon. It is obvious to me that Lester does not want to stay. And, why would he? To head a starting staff that has Lackey at No. 2? And a 4-inning piycher at No. 3? He's gone. Buch may be done, the bullpen is falling apart; get what you can, Ben!

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

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    “Why not?” said Lester when asked if he would consider re-signing with the #RedSox if traded. “This is where I want to be."


     


     


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    “Why not?” said Lester when asked if he would consider re-signing with the #RedSox if traded. “This is where I want to be."

     

     

     

     

     

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    [object HTMLDivElement].  The problem with that is that it doesn't give a trading partner much incentive to give us much for a two month rental. You would think a big market team that gave up top prospects , would want to sign Jon to an extension. Not only that, but if he hits free agency, some team is likely to outbid us by enough to make him have to leave. If we really want to re-sign Lester , we should do it now. I am pretty sure we know what it would take. 

     
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    Lester: Trade and return to Red Sox a possibility

    By Peter Abraham / Globe Staff

    ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Jon Lester offered up an intriguing twist to the upcoming trade deadline: the idea that he would be willing to re-sign with the Red Sox as a free agent after being dealt.

    “Why not?” the lefthander said after the Tampa Bay Rays beat the Red Sox, 6-4, on Friday night. “This is what I know. This is what I love. Like I’ve said plenty of times, this is where I want to be. And if they trade me, I completely understand. No hard feelings.

    “I know what they have to do for their organization, and if that involves me, then so be it. If it doesn’t, I’ll keep running out there every five days and pitching. Hopefully in November we get something done.”

     

     
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    Lester: Trade and return to Red Sox a possibility


    By Peter Abraham / Globe Staff


    ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Jon Lester offered up an intriguing twist to the upcoming trade deadline: the idea that he would be willing to re-sign with the Red Sox as a free agent after being dealt.


    “Why not?” the lefthander said after the Tampa Bay Rays beat the Red Sox, 6-4, on Friday night. “This is what I know. This is what I love. Like I’ve said plenty of times, this is where I want to be. And if they trade me, I completely understand. No hard feelings.


    “I know what they have to do for their organization, and if that involves me, then so be it. If it doesn’t, I’ll keep running out there every five days and pitching. Hopefully in November we get something done.”


     





    [object HTMLDivElement].   I think Jon is one of the best pitchers in the game.  I think Jon is a good, level headed guy. But he needs to be careful in what he says. He is in the ocean with sharks. The baseball owners are mostly billionaires. I want the Sox to re- sign him for a close to market value deal. But he needs to do what is necessary to get the most out of his earning potential. This is his only free agent opportunity.  If he is smart, he will play it for all it is worth.  Lucchino has already shown that the Sox are willing to take advantage of Lester's loyalty. Jon and his agent have to understand that. I think they do. We hear it so often, but it is still sometimes forgotten; Baseball is a business. It really is. 

     
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    No Lester means Lackey, a solid #2, followed by De La Rosa, Workman, Doubront….and a soon-to-be #5 in Clay "Head Case" Buchholz.  Really? 

     
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    Re: If Sox fail to sign Lester

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    No Lester means Lackey, a solid #2, followed by De La Rosa, Workman, Doubront….and a soon-to-be #5 in Clay "Head Case" Buchholz.  Really? 



    i think doubront will be gone at the deadline....and i hope he is...

     
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