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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : That's how my Youkilis trade bait stuff started. They really could afford to deal a guy who had a lower contract and was a star player. They chose to go the free agent route. Ok. 
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, instead of signing Crawford they could have signed Beltre and traded Youk, maybe for a right-handed hitting outfielder.  Maybe all that would have worked out well.  Or maybe not.  I'm not trying to shoot down your argument.  I wouldn't be surprised if they considered that very scenario.  But no matter what you do when it's the high-end talent there's going to be a big risk of failure.  It doesn't matter how smart you are, how many Sabrmetricians you have on staff and how many innovative analytical tools you have.  You're still going to make mistakes.  I don't think very many people would have predicted that Crawford, Werth and Adam Dunn would all put up such bad numbers in 2011. 
     
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    [QUOTE]should that justify the firing of THEO EPSTEIN? my response is YES. like to know what you think; and all you THEO LOVERS out there, please be as abusive to me as you like.
    Posted by -theyazzer-[/QUOTE]



    YES in capital letters.  Never much liked him anyways.  Felt the team won despite him. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : Yeah, instead of signing Crawford they could have signed Beltre and traded Youk, maybe for a right-handed hitting outfielder.  Maybe all that would have worked out well.  Or maybe not.  I'm not trying to shoot down your argument.  I wouldn't be surprised if they considered that very scenario.  But no matter what you do when it's the high-end talent there's going to be a big risk of failure.  It doesn't matter how smart you are, how many Sabrmetricians you have on staff and how many innovative analytical tools you have.  You're still going to make mistakes.  I don't think very many people would have predicted that Crawford, Werth and Adam Dunn would all put up such bad numbers in 2011. 
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    The 20-20 hindsighters were right on the target with that prediction. They knew it with 100% accuracy. Their record is uncanny.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : YES in capital letters.  Never much liked him anyways.  Felt the team won despite him. 
    Posted by fenwayjack2[/QUOTE]

    I never attribute a divisional championship, pennant, or WS championship to a specific player, manager, GM, or FO. It is a team effort and also involves luck. It is silly to attribute it to a component. Doing so however does provide great material for those who love to come here and debate, argue, troll, pretend, and act like experts. Left out of the bickering loop are fans who just enjoy the season and attribute success to the team effort.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : Yeah, instead of signing Crawford they could have signed Beltre and traded Youk, maybe for a right-handed hitting outfielder.  Maybe all that would have worked out well.  Or maybe not.  I'm not trying to shoot down your argument.  I wouldn't be surprised if they considered that very scenario.  But no matter what you do when it's the high-end talent there's going to be a big risk of failure.  It doesn't matter how smart you are, how many Sabrmetricians you have on staff and how many innovative analytical tools you have.  You're still going to make mistakes.  I don't think very many people would have predicted that Crawford, Werth and Adam Dunn would all put up such bad numbers in 2011. 
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    No question it's been a bust for the three mentioned. Dunn is a horrific failure of monumental proportions, maybe more so than Crawford.

     
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    This thread has an IQ of 60.
     
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    No
     
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    [QUOTE]He shouldn't be fired, unless the failure in the playoffs falls into a section of the team he neglected badly during the season. Theo hasn't neglected any part of the team.
    Posted by Cuthbertallbad[/QUOTE]
     Where is the solid leftie specialist? How about the right handed bat off the bench? And how about the late inning pinch runner who has burner-speed? Don't we also need a solid 7th guy to get us to Bard and Paps? Maybe these parts of the team got neglected? 
     
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    [QUOTE]So if they win the World Series what then should be done with Theo?  A massive payraise?  Unimited access to concubines of his choice?  Cart Blanche access to a private plane to any destination of his choosing at any given time? This thread is another example of the fellowship of the miserable who by all rights should be extinct after 2004 but certainly after 2007!  Geesh!
    Posted by william93063[/QUOTE]

    Unlimited access to concubines of his choice?

    Where do I sign up for a gig like that?

    Great post.
     
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    [QUOTE]Some of the younger fans may not understand Sox history. For the long time fans like myself, we were starting to think that we would never live to see a Red Sox Championship. Now we have two , and are in strong contention this year and every year.  Pretty hard to bash John Henry , Theo or Tito.  They , along with the players , deserve the credit for the success of the ballclub.  Of course they make mistakes, as we all do , but overall they have done a great job.  I will criticize as much as most , but let's give some credit where it is due.
    Posted by dgalehouse[/QUOTE]

    This is a sound, reasoned and intelligent response.

    You should be banned for such posts. Don't you know the only smart and realistic fans are the ones who bash Theo and Tito for everything from a Red Sox loss to traffic on Route 1.

    Innocent
     
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    [QUOTE]Can't buy the bridge argument if they got AGON...That in itself was a collosal move to improve the team after the Bridge Year. CC was a want, not a need, and that's why you learn from these type of mistakes. Lackey was signed because he was all that was left? The only guy out there that offseason? I'm tired of reading about how the Sox were forced to sign guys to these deals because Sox Nation can't tolerate no moves. If a guy isn't available, you wait until there is someone available, or you get them at the trade deadline or all-star break. There's a number of ways to fill a "need." 
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]+A-Gon-Beltre-VMart=Not much net gain at all.

    Lackey is your fav Danny but that wasn't a box office move. The RS did not know what Buchholz would provide in 2011 and whether Tim Wakefield in his 40's would come back from back surgery and be effective. There were questions about Dice-K's health as well. John Lackey was not a splash move.

    Crawford was. The buzz the trade and his signing created was HUGE. Maybe bigger than it should have been considering that those two were replacing Beltre-VMart and the lack of hitting that was in LF was now moved behind the plate in the person of Salty.

    While you don't like reading that RS Nation would not accept a year of no moves, the RS ownership can't afford to say they don't care. In its own way their business model is a house of cards. If the revenues drop from NESN and gate and other NESV RS related ventures The $170M-$160M player personnel budget goes to $120M-$115M in the blink of an eye. Baseball is about regional revenue not national media deals.

    Crawford signing in any light looks very bad right now. So did JD drew literally until Game 6 of the 2007 ALCS. They then got two solid seasons, one declining year in 2010 and wash out in 2011. Personally I thought the guy was fool's gold but he isn't this bad so it is hard to say just how much of an over reach this was.
     
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    Nice, reality-based post Katz.
    To add one point: The outfield going into 2011 (before the CC signing) had Drew in right, who was compromised by an expanding strike zone in 2010.
    Kalish/Jake in CF/LF: one unproven and the other missing almost an entire year.
    And Cam. Nava/Reddick in reserve. Reddick had plate discipline issues.

    From that vantage point, Crawford was more of a need.
     
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    I just don't see why you keep saying 'Theo overpaid by 50 million'.  It makes it sound like he could have signed him for 90 million.  That was impossible, especially after Werth signed for 126 million.  The reports about what the Angels offered are a little murky.  But they went out and traded for Wells and are paying him 20 million a year for 4 years.

    I think the AGon deal was pretty exciting for fans, though many viewed it as a sideways move from Beltre.

    Spending $142M elsewhere?
    1) You are right: C. Lee was not coming here.
    2) Werth might have fit better, but was grossly overpaid as well.
    3) VMart (.812 OPS) vs 2011 Sox catchers (.745 OPS), but with a lot better results from the staff and no worries about VMart's ability to catch or catch 80% of the games or catch them well anymore.

    What other options were there?
    Beyond spending some to try and extend Ellsbury (notl ikely with Bora$$), Buchholtz, Bard, or Papelbon, there weren't many easily predictable FA signins that have worked out at this early point in their deals:
    The two big names doing well, Beltre and VMart, didn't really fit after the AGon deal went though (Don't tell me about moving Youk to LF or VMart to DH).
    Others?
    LF:
    Dunn? Bust. ($56M/6: way more than I expected)
    Ordonez? Bust. (but just a $10M hit)
    The unforeseen steal: Lance Berkman $8M/1.

    RP:
    Putz 20M/2
    Benoit $16.5M/3
    Downs $15M/3
    Crain  $13M/3
    Guerrier $12M/3
    Fuentes $10.5M/2
    Uehara $3M/1

    SP:
    De la Rosa  $21.5M/2
    Pavano $16.5/2
    Westbrook $16.5M/2 

    Would we have been better off with busts like Dunn or Mags and DMac/Reddick/Drew/Kalish in the corner OF'er slots, but with
    $20M to spend a year later and $10M a year more now to spend now on...
    2 more pen guys
     like Crain & Guerrier

    or, get lucky with Berkman $8M + $12M/yr for Fuentes, Crain and Guerrie.

    I know...hindisight...
     
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    [QUOTE]Nice, reality-based post Katz . To add one point: The outfield going into 2011 (before the CC signing) had Drew in right, who was compromised by an expanding strike zone in 2010. Kalish/Jake in CF/LF: one unproven and the other missing almost an entire year. And Cam. Nava/Reddick in reserve. Reddick had plate discipline issues. From that vantage point, Crawford was more of a need .
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
    Nice summary. And I suppose that after the mind-boggling Werth contract and, reportedly, the Angels in the hunt, Theo had to reach into deep pockets. Nonetheless, the principle " the best available" for the position is leading to contracts that are, on their face, nutty.

     
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    [QUOTE]Nice, reality-based post Katz . To add one point: The outfield going into 2011 (before the CC signing) had Drew in right, who was compromised by an expanding strike zone in 2010. Kalish/Jake in CF/LF: one unproven and the other missing almost an entire year. And Cam. Nava/Reddick in reserve. Reddick had plate discipline issues. From that vantage point, Crawford was more of a need .
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE] I thought going into the winter that Werth was the fit, RH hitter that could play the difficult RF after Drew's 2011 walk year. But the money and years the Nats paid him was insane and frankly pushed the Crawford contract value.

    Now hindsight is always 20-20. If Theo knew what was going transpire in 2010 and 2011 maybe he would have gotten in play on Holliday who would have taken near Crawford money to sign him away from St Louis considering what he did get from them, passed on Lackey and taken his chances after 2010 on improving his pitching staff. Of course like the NYY, his target would have been Lee and I have to believe Lee would still be with the Phillies.

    But Theo doesn't get a reset button. The RS coming into the last off season had the worst offensive OF production of any team in MLB. Nobody in their right mind could have projected the power numbers from Ells that they have gotten. Drew was a question mark, as was Cameron. The questions have been answered in their cases. Josh Reddick has been a fun player BUT in last 28 days (about the time he got the starting role) his OPS is .678, with a BA around .250 and an OBP at .300. (very much like Crawford's larger 2011 full season sample set).

    So the RS really did need to improve their OF coming into 2011 because as you point out Harness the 2010 rationalizations were not really viable championship choices.

    Now if any Crawford basher wants to tell us that they projected CC as having .679 OPS in August you should call Bill James and share your formula. It still was a ton of money to pay him but the RS had every reason to believe they were getting a .780 OPS hitter that would have about 80 RBI, 15 HR, 100 runs and 40 SB with solid D in LF.

    CC is low hanging fruit right now if bashing is a poster's aim. Somebody did that in 2010 with Jacoby and their aren't enough troll posts to get that egg off of his face, so I think the detractors should tread lightly on just how much they denounce the signing. Crawford isn't a $142M player but he isn't this bad.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : Nice summary. And I suppose that after the mind-boggling Werth contract and, reportedly, the Angels in the hunt, Theo had to reach into deep pockets. Nonetheless, the principle " the best available" for the position is leading to contracts that are, on their face, nutty.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]Yes it is but the option is to not play in the FA market, a take your chances with bridge signings just like Mike Cameron or rush prospects who may not be ready for MLB let alone MLB in this rather carnivorous market.

    I really do think after the second straight year of declining ratings and therefore revenues at NESN the Board of Directors told Epstein to make a splash. After all aside from late last November when is the last time Tom Werner even talked about player personnel moves let alone promising at least two major moves?

    Moon gave us some other scenarios but none of them would have created the buzz and pre season interest in the RS that a Werth or Crawford signing would. And frankly while Werth may have been a better fit on the surface of things he would not have created the buzz that Crawford who seemed to often kill us did.

    While the signing has been a failure on the field I am quite sure it did wonders for NESN while selling their ad book for the first half of 2011 and for the RS on renewals of ad space at Fenway etc.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : Nice summary. And I suppose that after the mind-boggling Werth contract and, reportedly, the Angels in the hunt, Theo had to reach into deep pockets. Nonetheless, the principle " the best available" for the position is leading to contracts that are, on their face, nutty.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    It depends on the team's window. The RedSox have a limited one as they are the oldest team in the A. L. It's gonna be tough to replace a Pedey/Youk/Beckett in their prime. This is why I don't isolate a player to his salary, or a down year as the end of the world.

    Ells is kickin' azz and AGONE is a MVP candidate. Thus, some regression by Youk or a CC transition year is balanced off. The money will be overspent in a couple of areas, but under-spent in many more.

    If they never got Lackey, they'd have some depth issues given the injuries to Josh last year and Dice/Buch this year. And as Katz said, declining revenue is the kiss of death. I think the FO walks a delicate tightrope in this regard. It's hard to swallow it all from a distant spoonful...
     
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    Sox got a Bedard pretty easily. They nearly had Harden also just as easily. They felt compelled to trade Masterson to get VMART in a playoff run. They bought Beltre for a season, he proved actually quite electrifying on both offense/defense, but they were waiting for AGON, and that meant bye-bye to VMART. So Masterson netted nothing. The Manny trade ended at Jason Bay, who Epstein was fortunate never matched his 1-1/2 years in Boston since letting him walk. They got a Cabrera at the all-star break. I think the Sox do a pretty good job of getting people when they need them....and that is why the dismay over long-term contracts for the lone free agents available. The Sox did not need CC and his lefty-lefty, they did need a RH hitter. They did need a SS, but they didn't feel it was important to get a full-time one, just piece-meal it between 2 guys who were each questionable defensively. The Sox felt it was ok to groom a Salty by having Tek there as well (that worked very well). The Sox don't have plans, they react and buy or react and trade. There might be statistical analysis, but it doesn't seem they follow it very well, they hunch as much as any team. I was very happy when they got AGON, allowing the team to not worry about keeping VMART, who was a man without a position. They decided to not keep Beltre, and I realized Youk was going to 3b. I would have been completely happy as a Sox fan had it ended right there. There was no need to run out and get a lefty OF. But you do play the hind-sight game when you foresee the no-fit of CC because then you wonder then why didn't they just give that money to a guy who produced in Beltre, trading Youks to get a SP and/or a RH hitting OF? The 142 million spent is what is the reason for hindsight. You do think about Holliday a few years earlier. You wonder what the hell is the FO thinking at times.
     
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    Go ahead and slam me for not taking the party line. Really, I understand.
     
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    I really don't think Theo being fired is an option anytime soon. They're going to make the playoffs this year, they're in the race almost every season, they've won two WS under his reign...I don't like a lot of his moves/non-moves either, but until the team starts hanging out at the bottom of the standings I don't see anything changing...
     
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    [QUOTE]Sox got a Bedard pretty easily. They nearly had Harden also just as easily. They felt compelled to trade Masterson to get VMART in a playoff run. They bought Beltre for a season, he proved actually quite electrifying on both offense/defense, but they were waiting for AGON, and that meant bye-bye to VMART. So Masterson netted nothing. The Manny trade ended at Jason Bay, who Epstein was fortunate never matched his 1-1/2 years in Boston since letting him walk. They got a Cabrera at the all-star break. I think the Sox do a pretty good job of getting people when they need them....and that is why the dismay over long-term contracts for the lone free agents available. The Sox did not need CC and his lefty-lefty, they did need a RH hitter. They did need a SS, but they didn't feel it was important to get a full-time one, just piece-meal it between 2 guys who were each questionable defensively. The Sox felt it was ok to groom a Salty by having Tek there as well (that worked very well). The Sox don't have plans, they react and buy or react and trade. There might be statistical analysis, but it doesn't seem they follow it very well, they hunchas much as any team. I was very happy when they got AGON, allowing the team to not worry about keeping VMART, who was a man without a position. They decided to not keep Beltre, and I realized Youk was going to 3b. I would have been completely happy as a Sox fan had it ended right there. There was no need to run out and get a lefty OF. But you do play the hind-sight game when you foresee the no-fit of CC because then you wonder then why didn't they just give that money to a guy who produced in Beltre, trading Youks to get a SP and/or a RH hitting OF? The 142 million spent is what is the reason for hindsight. You do think about Holliday a few years earlier. You wonder what the hell is the FO thinking at times.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Erratic thought process here.
    1) Masty netted two A draft picks, which keeps farm reaping, and 1 year & two months of VMART. Hardly nothing. Masterson has had one good year. I wish the kid well.

    2) You state you like many of the FO moves, then say they don't plan, they react...
    Every plan has an out. I would think they have a varied scenario, like any business.
    Reacting to other forces where they have little to no control is part of this scenario.

    3)Hunches are for horse players...and posters who think they are thinking.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : It depends on the team's window. The RedSox have a limited one as they are the oldest team in the A. L. It's gonna be tough to replace a Pedey/Youk/Beckett in their prime. This is why I don't isolate a player to his salary, or a down year as the end of the world. Ells is kickin' azz and AGONE is a MVP candidate. Thus, some regression by Youk or a CC transition year is balanced off. The money will be overspent in a couple of areas, but under-spent in many more. If they never got Lackey, they'd have some depth issues given the injuries to Josh last year and Dice/Buch this year. And as Katz said, declining revenue is the kiss of death. I think the FO walks a delicate tightrope in this regard. It's hard to swallow it all from a distant spoonful...
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
    What you and Katz say makes sense in the Boston context. ( But apparent pragmatism can still be nutty. ) I'm not entirely convinced, however, that everything balances as neatly as you posit. And, God forbid, this season may not be a transition year for Crawford. Until he does it, he hasn't done it. And we can't be sure what "it" will be if he improves next year. Moreover, in the 6 hole, he begins the dive to the bottom too early in a lineup like Boston's. He's really hurting the offense. And he hasn't exactly been a shining star in the outfield. He's close to dead weight. THAT is hard to compensate. In the box score and psychologically. You have recently commented on that element of the game, and I agree totally.
    Ellsbury has been hitting spectacularly but not well for someone expected to set the table: 4 for his last 24, I think, but with two glorious dingers. Maybe, just maybe, if he got on base more and stole, he would had been picked up enough by "measly" singles from the following batters to account for even more runs on balance. In any event, his future in Boston is hardly set.
    Reddick is now having a hard row. 
    All of this has implications, as you once pointed out when commenting upon the interdependence of all elements in a lineup. For example, if the rightfielder(s) and Crawford ( next year ) and the catching position are not producing, Theo will not buy into the "luxury" of Iglesias's glove. Even a fall off 7 through 9 would give him acid reflux; 6 through 9 would make him cough blood.
    Unless he picks up Scutaro's option, the Boston SS next season is likely to be Lowrie/Aviles, when Aviles is not bringing his power stick to right field.
    I'm just saying that Crawford makes things knotty, and they could get messy.
    But who knows?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : What you and Katz say makes sense in the Boston context. ( But apparent pragmatism can still be nutty. ) I'm not entirely convinced, however, that everything balances as neatly as you posit. And, God forbid, this season may not be a transition year for Crawford. Until he does it, he hasn't done it. And we can't be sure what "it" will be if he improves next year. Moreover, in the 6 hole, he begins the dive to the bottom too early in a lineup like Boston's. He's really hurting the offense. And he hasn't exactly been a shining star in the outfield. He's close to dead weight. THAT is hard to compensate. In the box score and psychologically. You have recently commented on that element of the game, and I agree totally. Ellsbury has been hitting spectacularly but not well for someone expected to set the table: 4 for his last 24, I think, but with two glorious dingers. Maybe, just maybe, if he got on base more and stole, he would had been picked up enough by "measly" singles from the following batters to account for even more runs on balance. In any event, his future in Boston is hardly set. Reddick is now having a hard row.  All of this has implications, as you once pointed out when commenting upon the interdependence of all elements in a lineup. For example, if the rightfielder(s) and Crawford ( next year ) and the catching position are not producing, Theo will not buy into the "luxury" of Iglesias's glove. Even a fall off 7 through 9 would give him acid reflux; 6 through 9 would make him cough blood. Unless he picks up Scutaro's option, the Boston SS next season is likely to be Lowrie/Aviles, when Aviles is not bringing his power stick to right field. I'm just saying that Crawford makes things knotty, and they could get messy. But who knows?
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    That makes tomorrow's landscape all the more interesting.
    I don't get too caught up in the game to game stuff.
    Never thought it was a good idea, even back in the day...  

    I don't like the shortstop situation. The hit 'n miss glove work will kill us.     
    IMO, it should have been better addressed - and will need to be. This is one area that doesn't balance well.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs..... : That makes tomorrow's landscape all the more interesting. I don't get too caught up in the game to game stuff. Never thought it was a good idea, even back in the day...   I don't like the shortstop situation. The hit 'n miss glove work will kill us.      IMO, it should have been better addressed - and will need to be. This is one area that doesn't balance well.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
    You will understand that I'm not entirely at odds with your "balancing act." You thought it through. I just wanted to add a twist or two. We're all just guessing.
    I agree completely about SS. It isn't just any position, as you well know, and as moon has repeatedly pointed out. Anyone who doesn't think so should ask any pitcher at random.  
    That's why all Sox fans should light candles for production from 6, 7, 8, not necessarily equal production, because Salty is starting to look as though he might do the trick. But, oh, those two corner OF spots, and maybe center too down the road. Needless to say, it's imperative that Youk and Papi have two more good years in them -- if Papi is signed.
    As things are going, I'm almost ready to join moon in advocating that Iglesias be plopped at SS. But I doubt that Theo will make that move, even if 6,7, and 8 are OK. BTW, Alex Gonzalez made a play for a DP today that made the eyes pop. Ditto Furcal for the Cards. The kind that Cabrera made in the last part of 2004, and that I saw him make repeatedly for the Angels. 

     
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    Re: if the SOX are eliminated early in the playoffs.....

    Lackey's contract is a GM blunder. Crawford's is even bigger becuase the "can't have enough pitching" contract blunder GMs excuse. Since when is "making the playoffs" the measuring stick of success for a massive budget?

    You set your sights low.
     

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