In response to 67redsox's comment:
I was a little suprised at your reaction to the abortion article. Do you really believe that innocent children must die because some will be born into poverty. I was born into poverty, I was abused as a child, have been in and out of pain with medical conditions since I was thirteen and I'm very ill now. By the way, my mother didn't want me. I suffered and still do.Are you saying I shouldn't have been born? I shouldn't have had my two wonderful sons and my amazing granddaughter? I shouldn't be here to help my friends, family and the poor?
I don't think of it as "killing innocent children", but I sympathazie with those who do. What gets me more to my heart is that many of the right wing who sympathize with the unborn lose all sympathy once the baby is born.
No sympathy for the single mom, the hungyr child, the uneducated child, and the repeating cycle of poverty and despair.
I once heard a pro-life speaker who was the product of a rape. She said "My mother was raped and I'll never know my father. Do you believe I don't have a right to be ere?"
I worked in a pro-life clinic. We would have
girls come to us seeking abortions as a for of birth control. I'll never forget one young lady. She was in college to become a sports therapist, she wanted to work for a professional football team.
I think a bunch of men cannot know what it is like to be pregnant with an unwanted baby, and then be forced to bring it to term, and raise it in poverty, and watch them grow up to repeat the cycle all over again.
Yes, there are some that milk the system, and even some who have chilcren just to get the benefits, but that does not mean we should make the child suffer to "send a message" by cutting off food stamps. heating subsidies, housing subsidies, etc...
We talked about her baby, and I encourage her to have her child then give him up for adoption. She didn't want to sacrifice several months of her life for her child. She said she knew what she was doing was wrong but she was going to do it anyway.
I have a sister that snuck away and had an abortion at 17. My Catholic parents found out and it nearly destroyed our family in the aftermath. Nobdy I know likes abortion or thinks it is "right", but many recognize the issue is not so clear as those who just think of it as murder. Certainly if you view it as murder, the debate ends right there. I get that.
I sometimes think of her and others I met there and wonder how they are doing. Once a woman realizes what she has done, taken the life of her child, she has a hard time forgiving herself. There is a high rate of depression and other physical symproms. I once sat with a woman who had an abortion and regreted it. I will never forget the sound of her cry. She was crying from the deepest part of her being, it was a terrible sound.
My sister told me she still feels badly about the choice she made. She laso says she made the right choice. She ended up going to Yale on her own (my parents cut her off) and now has 4 kids (2 adopted) and owns her own family planning business in Brazil (offering birth control to impoverished familes).
Once a mother kills her child or in some cases children she has to harden her heart to accept what she has done. She is forever changed because it is not natural to murder your own child. With this hardened heart she often times raises her other children. This affects the other children because their mother can't show them the tenderness she would have if her heart was not hardened.
For some reason this thread is messed up. I'm having a hard time reading your posts, as the words are jumbled and the window cuts off some of your text. Of course there are countless stories of unwated children being born and going on to live happy and productive lives.
I have a friend in this situation. Her mother aborted her first child but had children after that. Her mother has never fully healed from what she did and it affected her parenting.
Kids born into this abortion minded society are survivors, they made it while some others didn't
This all comes back to what I was saying before. Our families are broken so instead of going to the root of the matter to fix it we kill babies instead. So much easier you may say but it isn't, it is taking it's toll on society.
Legalized abortions took the place of illegal ones. I don't blame the government for the state of society, the recklessness of many couples, the lack of forethought and planning, and the plain ignorance of too many.
I raised to fine sons with a proper work ethic, they both have good jobs, make good money and are good stewards of their talents. We believe in God and practice our faith. We fall, get up and try again. It's in the getting up that matters.
It's not always about a proper work ethic. So many impoverished people in this word and in this country wrok their behinds off and still can't feed their babies and get them proper medical care when needed. Others go bankrupt after a major medical happening. Private insurance would never solve these issues on their own. Where there is no money to be made, there is no caring by business, and not enough charitable individulas to cover the need. Talking about the "tyranny of the majority", one could say the government has protected the wealthy, the healthy, and the lucky people from having to do what is the obvious right thing to do: following the teachings of Jesus just reinforces what is what every good society should and must do: care for the less fortunate, the sick, the elderly, and those who don't have sense enough to know how to help themselves. OK, call me all the names in the book for thinking this way, but I'd rather pay a few mailingerers and system milkmen than let a large amount of needy people who really would rather not put their hand out for a dollar to buy a loaf of bread, than turn a cold shoulder and tel them to improve their work ethic and blame them for their preidicament.
Talk about family values? The rightwingers who scream the most about protecting traditional family values are the same ones sending undocumented family member back home and dividing familes at the core. Their the ones who watch a father work 3 jobs, a mother work two jobs, then wonder why their children are out on the streets in gangs and what not. Cut off the aid for pre-schooling poor kids, cut off the free breakfast and lunch programs, cut it all off so my taxes will go down enough, so I can take that trip to Europe.
Yeah, I think we all have a duty as a citizen of this great country under God to be forced by our government to care for those who do not get cared for otherwise. I'm the nemey for having these thoughts and trying to force the results on you and others. When I was against the Vietnam War, I was told to love America "or leave it". Now, I feel like when the tides have turned a bit, none of you guys are considering "leaving", as well you shouldn't, but your plans to blow it all up and start over is exactly the tactics you abhorred in the 60's.
My sons made mistakes, crossed the line but because they knew there was a line to cross they understood the difference between right and wrong. When the did wrong they knew it had felt bad about it.
We don't have that in our society as a whole. Young people are living together at alarming rates. With birth control young people don't have to get married and can sleep around, that whole friends with benefits thing. I once counseled a woman who had 14 s ex ual encounters.
Before the pill about 60% of black families had a father and a mother now I think the number is below 10%. My numbers may be off a bit the dramatic change isn't.
We don't respect life at the moment of conception as that article clearly stated. It made me sick to read it although I knew alot of that was going on.
I raised my sons to respect women as persons not sexual objects to be used for self gratification. My older son is married with a beautiful child. They waited for marriage. He told me he wanted to do everything the right way because she was worth it. He was able to say on his wedding night "I waited for you". Pretty special.
The family is broken so society is broken. Giving the federal government more power isn't going to fix the problem.
I agree, the family is broken, but I don't blame our goverment for it. To me, it all started when both parents began to need to work to make ends meet. Children were not sufficiently nurtured at an early age or through childhood. Daycare and grandma took the place of proper child rearing. It has gotten worse. Now, familes with both parents working have less adjusted income and spending power year after year. At the same time, the rich have gotten filthy rich, the big companies are no longer beholden to any country or governemnt, and there is no end in sight. Republican or Democratic leadership makes no difference in the larger scale of what is happening, but the general philosophy of lifting the restrictions on big busness and giving tax breaks to the rich, that by and large, the Republicans support more than the Dems, is not the way to go. it never has been. The "trickle down" always becomes trickled on. Worker production per hour wroked has greatly increased over the years, but who is making the money? Not the common worker. His wealth is sinking. Buch, Clinton, Obama, Reagan- it's all the same. Big business runs the show. Republicans would have defaulted and the governemnt would still be shut down right now, had it not been for Wall Street, bankers, and the rich putting a scare into all Congressmen to end it "or else".
I respect your vies, '67. I know it's a tired and overused line, but truthfully, my very best friend in teh whole world is as right wing as they come. We respect each other and often have lively debates. We don't ever question our motives and assume the other does not care for our country or mankind as a whole, but what has happened in Congress lately has sickened even my best bud. This whole "obama is a Muslim, or not a citizen", and more is sick. It takes away from the issues and polarizes both sides (as if they needed any more poarization). Most Dems and Repubs really want what is best, but have different ideas on how to get there.
I get the argument that there is a growing number of Americans getting accustomed to handouts. For some, it's not worth trying to find a job, even if there was some to get. It's become easier to not work than work. I realize these people must be persuaded to at least legitimately try and find a job and keep one, but making those who are really trying to make it "the right way" suffer, because many are abusing the system is not the right answer either. Under Clinton and Republican Congress, Welfare was greatly overhauled. Compromise was reached. Things got done. However, once Clinton was demonized by his affair or abuse of power, whichever way you choose to look at it, nothing got done. It's that way now. Nothing is getting done, and one main reason is that there is a small set of Congressmen that refuse to let Obama get anything done, even if it is a plan they originally called for. That's a fact. It is going on as we speak. Republicans are voting against plans the originated. they are fillibustering their own bills just to keep anything from getting done. A do nothing government is better than a do something governement. that is their motto. They were sent to govern, but believe there shoudl be little or no "governing". They are prepared to bring our economy to its knees to get their way. It's a total joke to say Obama hasn't compromised. If he had his way, we'd have gun control, immigration reform, rolled back Bush tax cuts, and on and on. He's basically got nothing done he wanted, except healthcare, and that turned out to be more like Hillary's plan than his own.
The rhetoric has gotten out of hand, and the tea party'ers are more concerned with their image and winning their next primary in severely gerrymandered districts than finding common ground for the sake of getting something done.
Our future hangs at the whims of a handful of nutcases. And, Obama is not one of the nuts, as much as I disagree with more than what I agree with him. No president should allow this form of extortion to become the way of the land. There was no way Ted Cruz was going to get what he wanted. When you are in the minority, you have to know it.