If you're over 50, how do you feel about today's MLB?

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    Seems like player's attitudes mirror those of larger society; e.g. more selfishness and less team orientation. Shameful lack of fundamentals like bunting, hitting to right, taking pitches, throwing to correct base, and backing up the play.

    Exceptions like Pedroia, Jeter, etc. seem special to us rather than the rule.Coddling of starting pitchers probably results from substantial monetary investment in players by clubs.

    Also arbitration hearing wins rely on measurable individual statistics like runs and rbi, not runnners advanced or double plays avoided.
    The skills and abilities are as good as ever, just not the attitudes or methods; swinging for fences = more HR but also more K's. Compare strikeout rates of Williams or DiMaggio to today's sluggers.
     
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    Owners and Front Offices spend huge bucks to sign FA starting pitchers or else trade away half of the farm to obtain one. It is a large and risky investment to sign a pitcher on a long term contract. If you look at the statistics of how often franchises have been burned on such contracts you will find that it is often and has happened to numerous franchises.

    To minimize such risks, owners put clauses into such contracts or try to get insurance to cover them. They also hire medical staffs that specialize in conditioning and monitoring pitchers in an effort to prevent overwork, sress, and injuries. Of course, taking such steps is not foolproof but the intent is to do the best that you can to reduce risks and thus financial losses.

    In recent decades many pitchers have had their careers shortened or ruined by overwork and poor conditioning and the absence of a medical staff and specialists.
     
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       AS DAD WOULD SAY......  "SON, LET ME BE CLEAR, AS LONG AS THE BIG O  IS PRESIDENT, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT FREE AGENCY AS WE HAVE KNOWN IT, IS/WILL CHANGE FOR THE BEST (EXCEPT FOR THE ANGEL$, AS THAT WAS $TUPID $$$$) AND TEAMS WILL BE SMARTER HOW & WHO THEY SPEND THEIR $$$ ON.".........  THE SOX ARE DOING THAT NOW, AND I GIVE BEN C. & LUCIANNO's HIGH MARKS FOR THAT.   THE PROOF IS IN THE $$$$$$  (LACKY,DICE-MAN, MAN-CHILD-FRAUD-QUITTER-JUICER, BECKETT, CRAWFORD, AND THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON A-GON !!!!
     
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    The game has changed quite a bit since I was a boy.

    Imo the individual talent is still impressive and why I follow the game.

    Couple of things I don't care for the first being I hold the records of the game as being sacred so I don't care for the use of PEDS and HGH, we need routine blood testing during the season to get both out of the game.

    The other thing is the roving inconsistent strike zone between different umps, drives me crazy.
     
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        Games last too long, 7 man bull-pens, teams use to carry 8 man pitching staffs. Players don't hustle down to first, I'm amazed at the number of players who half/*ss it down the line, or who make no attempt to go from first to third on BH. Outfielders who can't throw especially in CF. what drives me crazy is pitch counts, that keep going down year after year, with 100 now being the magic number, a couple of years from now it will be down to 90. 
          The one area where it has gotten better is infield defense,  The average infielder of today is far superior of his counter-part of yesteryear. I'm amazed at the ground and arm strength of fielders. Today a SS who commits 20 errors is looked down on in the sixties that would be considered well above average.                           
     
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    Baseball will always be.  Blah blah pitch counts, rosters, ....baseball players have become greedy and entitled.   The best way for me to describe the way I think about baseball is simple.  I will watch any football game that is on TV but I will only watch a RS game and no other team.  Oh yea, I hate the fact that I have to take out a small loan to see a game in person.
     
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    Like everything else in life.  One giant money grab.
     
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    [QUOTE]Baseball will always be.  Blah blah pitch counts, rosters, ....baseball players have become greedy and entitled.   The best way for me to describe the way I think about baseball is simple.  I will watch any football game that is on TV but I will only watch a RS game and no other team.  Oh yea, I hate the fact that I have to take out a small loan to see a game in person.
    Posted by never1954[/QUOTE]

       Just asking, but did you enjoy the game more when defenses were given an even shake, I know I did. The pin ball numbers teams are putting up, if allowed to continue, will only hurt the game in the long run.  It seems the fantasy leaguers are running the show.
     
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    [QUOTE]Nick Cafardo's Sunday baseball column today talks about two hundred innings being a big milestone for a starting pitcher. When I was a kid, teams had four-man rotations and every team had at least one starting pitcher who threw 250 or more innings with 10-15 (or more) complete games. And there was no designated hitter, a rule that really needs to go away or be implemented in both leagues. Baseball has changed quite a bit since those days. If you're over fifty, what do you think about baseball today compared to a few decades ago?
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    Not many pitchers throw 200 innings is caused by 2 factors IMO. 1. managers and pitching coaches are totally obsessed by pitch count and this has made the middle reliever important. We never used to pay big bucks for middle relievers. 2. 50 years ago ,pitchers threw fast ball,curve, and slider. I believe the split finger has put more wear and tear on an arm. So now in order to pitch over 200 innings is potentialy harmful to the wing.
     
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    Baseball is still a fabulous game but there are definitely things that were better in my childhood:
    - The Sunday doubleheader
    - Affordable and available tickets to almost any game
    - Toughness of the players (these guys played with bumps and bruises)
    - Strategy (sacrifice bunts, hit and runs, hitting behind the runner)
    - Fundamentals and hustle
    - Ability to pitch on the inside part of the plate without a potential brawl
    - Stars that stayed on the same team for their career
    - Not every discussion of a players value included salary figures
    - Listening to games on the radio
    - The complete game
    - ERAs above 4 being considered poor
    - No specialty relievers
    - Closers that could go 2+ innings

     
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    amen to games on the Radio ... when I was a kid you could follow the game going through the neighborhood. Those 1-2 days a year when you got to go to the game, players happy to give their autographs
     
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    [QUOTE]Baseball will always be.  Blah blah pitch counts, rosters, ....baseball players have become greedy and entitled.   The best way for me to describe the way I think about baseball is simple.  I will watch any football game that is on TV but I will only watch a RS game and no other team.  Oh yea, I hate the fact that I have to take out a small loan to see a game in person.
    Posted by never1954[/QUOTE]

    I don't think BB is anymore expensive than other sports, is it?  $20 to sit upstairs at Yankee Stadium, and even less in the bleachers.  Movies cost about $10, concert tickets to Paul McCartney were > $100.
     
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    [QUOTE]amen to games on the Radio ... when I was a kid you could follow the game going through the neighborhood. Those 1-2 days a year when you got to go to the game, players happy to give their autographs
    Posted by slakrking[/QUOTE]

    I'm pretty sure games are still on the radio.  At least in NY they are.

    I'm not sure how much of this is RS-centric, but I'd like to see better defense from our minor leaguers.  I don't think they're bad, but it seems like 30 years ago, they could all field.

    I'd like to see long careers with the same team.  I don't know what would've happened had Yaz left after 1967.

    I'd like to see full-scale drug tests.  I don't see why legit players have to have their records questioned by the cheaters.  Right now, you have to be suspicious of every player, clean or otherwise.
     
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    I love baseball today.

    5 different WS champs in 5 years. (8 of  new teams to make it to the WS in those 5 years--only Philly and Tex repeated trips.)

    9 different WS champs in the last 11 years with 14 different teams making the trip.

    Yeah, some things could be changed, like the Rays should move to NC or CA, and the AL/NL should play by the same rules. I'd go for a total re-allignment, but that's just me, I guess.

    I'm a Sox fan. Baseball is great!
     
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    I think this thread is ageism. You can't post on this thread unless you're over 50? That's a first.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think this thread is ageism. You can't post on this thread unless you're over 50? That's a first.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    No AARP ID, no post.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think this thread is ageism. You can't post on this thread unless you're over 50? That's a first.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    Okay, how about comparing the games you see today with the games you saw in 1967?  I mean, if you can do that without being 50, then go for it.
     
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    Did the OP have a specific question?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If you're over 50, how do you feel about today's MLB? :    Just asking, but did you enjoy the game more when defenses were given an even shake, I know I did. The pin ball numbers teams are putting up, if allowed to continue, will only hurt the game in the long run.  It seems the fantasy leaguers are running the show.
    Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]
     How about the 1950 SOX? 1027 runs scored, without a DH, and with pitchers hitting!
     Ted Williams had 28 HR's in just 89 games, the starting line-up hit over .300, and Vern Stephens AND Walt Dropo drove in 144. Bobby Doerr, think Dustin Pedroia, hit .294 27 120. Plus these numbers were in a 154 game schedule.
    The 2011 team was 152 runs shy of this alltime Red Sox mark, it must have been unreal.
     
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    [QUOTE]Baseball is still a fabulous game but there are definitely things that were better in my childhood: - The Sunday doubleheader - Affordable and available tickets to almost any game - Toughness of the players (these guys played with bumps and bruises) - Strategy (sacrifice bunts, hit and runs, hitting behind the runner) - Fundamentals and hustle - Ability to pitch on the inside part of the plate without a potential brawl - Stars that stayed on the same team for their career - Not every discussion of a players value included salary figures - Listening to games on the radio - The complete game - ERAs above 4 being considered poor - No specialty relievers - Closers that could go 2+ innings
    Posted by phxvlsoxfan[/QUOTE]

    Correct on every count.

    I would also add the increasing raritiy of 20-game winners.

    And the increasing rarity, or impossibility, of winning the Triple Crown.

    Yaz was the last - 1967 - 45 years ago, but who's counting?

    Pitchers...again, I often wonder how Sandy Koufax would have done if he were playing today.


     



    Or is the answer to the question self-evident? 



    --

    And here, Vinc Scully calls the 9th inning of his perfect game against the Cubs - "29,000 people and a million butterflies."

    http://www.archive.org/details/VinScullyCallsThe9thInningOfSandyKoufaxsPerfectGame

    Others have pitched perfect games since then, and Nolan Ryan has more no-hitters, but still - in 1963, with a bad elbow, he started 40 games, had 306 Ks, and had a 25-5 record with an ERA of 1.88. (No, that's not a typo.)  

    Yikes.

    We shall not see the likes of Mr. Koufax ever again.


     


    But I digress.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If you're over 50, how do you feel about today's MLB? :  How about the 1950 SOX? 1027 runs scored, without a DH, and with pitchers hitting!  Ted Williams had 28 HR's in just 89 games, the starting line-up hit over .300, and Vern Stephens AND Walt Dropo drove in 144. Bobby Doerr, think Dustin Pedroia, hit .294 27 120. Plus these numbers were in a 154 game schedule. The 2011 team was 152 runs shy of this alltime Red Sox mark, it must have been unreal.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20[/QUOTE]

    Every position except catcher (.780) had an OPS over .826!

    Of course, there are those that would stress the "unbalanced" nature of that offense:
    vs RHPs: .871
    vs LHPs: .819

    Home:  .951
    Away:  .745

    90 runs scored in April.
    136 runs scored in Sept.
    245 runs scored in June!

    Their median and mode runs scored per game was 6.
    They scored 10 or more runs 34 times (154 game sched).
    They scored 20+ runs 3 times! (29 once the day after scoring 20**)
    They averaged 1.14 runs in the first inning.
    They were 19-3 vs the St. Louis Browns and outscorred them 216-115! (almost averaging 10 runs per game.)

    ** 20 + 29 runs games :
    Vollmer  3-5 (2 HRs + BB)    1-7 (BB)
    Pesky     4-6                             5-7
    Teddy    3-5  (BB)                   2-5 (2 HRs + 2BB)
    Steph.   4-6 (2 HRs)               3-5  (BB)
    Dropo   2-6  (HR)                    3-6  (BB)
    Zarilla   3-4 (2BB)                  5-7
    Doerr    3-5  (BB)                    4-6  (3 HRs +BB)
    Tebb     1-3  (2BB)   /  Batts 2-6 (BB)
    Pitcher  0-5  (run & rbi)         2-3  (4BB)

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: If you're over 50, how do you feel about today's MLB? : Correct on every count. I would also add the increasing raritiy of 20-game winners. And the increasing rarity, or impossibility, of winning the Triple Crown. Yaz was the last - 1967 - 45 years ago, but who's counting? Pitchers...again, I often wonder how Sandy Koufax would have done if he were playing today.   Or is the answer to the question self-evident?  -- And here, Vinc Scully calls the 9th inning of his perfect game against the Cubs - "29,000 people and a million butterflies." http://www.archive.org/details/VinScullyCallsThe9thInningOfSandyKoufaxsPerfectGame Others have pitched perfect games since then, and Nolan Ryan has more no-hitters, but still - in 1963, with a bad elbow, he started 40 games, had 306 Ks, and had a 25-5 record with an ERA of 1.88. (No, that's not a typo.)   Yikes. We shall not see the likes of Mr. Koufax ever again.   But I digress.
    Posted by summerof67[/QUOTE]


    Koufax was the best pitcher I've ever seen.
     

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