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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

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    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

     

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    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.

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    you either start middlebrooks everyday or you find somewhere else for him to play.  

    Remember a few years ago when Ortiz started off slow? but you reaped the rewards at the end of the year when you stick with the most talented player.  

    I don't believe in taken talent out of a lineup, I do believe in shuffling the lineup and plugging people in the 9 hole who aren't hitting.

    Would you suggest that Justin Upton sit the bench too???  Should we have benched Ellsbury? look at what he is doing now

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.




     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.




    And Middlebrooks has 23 Hrs in 478 PA's or about 1 every 20.....and Drew has 82 Hrs in 3,624 Plate Appearances or about 1 every 45.....who do you think opposing managers think has a better shot of tying a game with a HR? 

     
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    As I suggested elsewhere, mostly platoon Middlebrooks & Drew, with Iglesias shuffling between 3b and ss.  I know it doesn't help Middy's career development vs. r/h to sit 75 % of the time against them, but we're in a serious pennant race so some long term considerations get put on hold.

    Since Drew walks after season, not concerned with HIS dvlpmnt. Maybe against  fastball-heavy r/h you sit Drew somewhat , and play Drew vs. the curve / slider specialists.

    Also Victorino not producing sufficiently IMO, so I'd play Carp a lot over Vic against r/h.  Iglesias & Carp are HOT right now, and should be ridden like prize horses. Barring a highway-robbery trade offer ( St. Louis , Cincy, or LA Dodgers offer us a ML-ready power hitting outfield prospect....NOT likely ) I don't trade Drew at deadline.

    " You HAVE to respect the Streak "      noted baseball sage Crash Davis.

     
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     Comparing Middlebrooks to Upton and Ortiz.?

    Middlebrooks had a good half lat year 287 ABs.   Upton and Ortiz are proven hitters

     



    fair enough but my point was to illustrate how people are quick to hate on a player who underperforms; not to compare Middlebrooks to that level of players.  If anything it speaks more volumes that people can hold the same convictions towards such proven players. 

     

     
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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 

     
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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 



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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 




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    The team is winning with or without Iglesias, and I think a part of the winning is team chemistry, especially among the veterans.  Dumping Drew right now could affect that chemistry.  With Ciriaco gone, Iglesias is in Boston for the duration, and that's where he wants to be whether or not he is starting at 3B or SS. 

    FWIW, as good as the hitting is, I thought you were going to mention that throw in I think the 7th or 8th inning tonight.  Iglesias went to his left and knocked down a grounder and had to turn back to pick it up and then had to get rid of the ball very, very quickly.  It was a blur, and the throw was dead on target.  This kid is special. 



    If Drew was not making 9 MIL ,I don't think he would be chemistry. 9 MIL ? Then Iggy is worth at least 12 mil  if you want to compare? Way better bat and way way way better short stop.Whoever it was to say that Drew was worth big bucks should be fired. I do think Drew should start though......For Portland !!!!

     
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    The team is winning with or without Iglesias, and I think a part of the winning is team chemistry, especially among the veterans.  Dumping Drew right now could affect that chemistry.  With Ciriaco gone, Iglesias is in Boston for the duration, and that's where he wants to be whether or not he is starting at 3B or SS. 

    FWIW, as good as the hitting is, I thought you were going to mention that throw in I think the 7th or 8th inning tonight.  Iglesias went to his left and knocked down a grounder and had to turn back to pick it up and then had to get rid of the ball very, very quickly.  It was a blur, and the throw was dead on target.  This kid is special. 

     



    If Drew was not making 9 MIL ,I don't think he would be chemistry. 9 MIL ? Then Iggy is worth at least 12 mil  if you want to compare? Way better bat and way way way better short stop.Whoever it was to say that Drew was worth big bucks should be fired. I do think Drew should start though......For Portland !!!!

     

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    you can't sign/not sign players in hindsight; the fact that iggy is playing so well behind Drew makes the ONE year contract look all that much better. 

     
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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 



    Excellent post.

     

     
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    Get ready for much hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing...

    Middlebrooks at 3rd, Drew at SS tonight.

     

     
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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 



    Max....on your three points.....1) I agree Farrell has done a great job, but a month ago it was Farrell and Ben who wanted Iggy In Pawtucket and Ciriaco on the team and they have changed on that for the better of the Roster. 2) I dont think the Iggy should be play posters of which I am one, think all four can play at one time and or think Drew should be traded, just that Iggy should be starting ahead of him.....it shouldnt be that Iggy is the Utility guy because he is more versatile than Drew...if he is the better starting option he should start and when you need to use Drew, you shift Iggy so Drew can play SS......3) and the injury possibility is only a factor if you trade Drew, so that has no bearing on whether Iggy should be playing rather than sitting on the bench. Drew has been much better defensively than i thought he was but Iggy is just special.....even if Drew was hitting 50 points higher than Iggy, Iggy would save more runs than Drew would create....the way it is now it is illogical not to have Iggy in the lineup.....Maybe iggy is just in a real lucky streak....alot of his hits do seem to be falling in.....but lets play that streak while we can and if Iggy cools off dramatically we can change out thinking.

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.




     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.

     




     

    And Middlebrooks has 23 Hrs in 478 PA's or about 1 every 20.....and Drew has 82 Hrs in 3,624 Plate Appearances or about 1 every 45.....who do you think opposing managers think has a better shot of tying a game with a HR? 

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    I dont know. Who do you think opposing managers think has a 620 OPS?

     
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     Comparing Middlebrooks to Upton and Ortiz.?

    Middlebrooks had a good half lat year 287 ABs.   Upton and Ortiz are proven hitters

     



    fair enough but my point was to illustrate how people are quick to hate on a player who underperforms; not to compare Middlebrooks to that level of players.  If anything it speaks more volumes that people can hold the same convictions towards such proven players. 

     



    What does "hate on" mean to you?

    I thought we were just talking baseball. Not "hating"

     
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    Here's why I disagree with the OP and with moonslav and with the entire crowd demanding that Iglesias play every day.   And my position is really very simple.  I agree with whatever John Farrell decides to do in concert with whatever he and Ben Cherington may have discussed.

    Why would I take such a position?  Because Farrell and Ben C have been hugely successful in rebuilding the Sox basically in a single season.  If Farrell thinks Iglesias should play that day, then he should play.  If he thinks otherwise, then he shouldn't because Farrell is in a much better position to judge his players capabilities than any of us. 

    Three more points. 

    First, Iglesias has demonstrated beyond question he deserves to play SS or 3B.  His fielding has been brilliant and flawless.  He is great fun to watch.  His hitting, which is certain to come back to earth, has nevertheless been incredible.  But it's a team game, and the manager has to find the best way to put all those pieces together.  So far Farrell has been just about dead solid perfect doing that. 

    Second, Iglesias right now has to be a happy camper because with Ciriaco gone he is on the big club for the duration.  That also means that, until a trade is made, the four infielders exclusive of 1B are Middlebrooks, Drew, Pedroia, and Iglesias, and only three can start at a time. 

    Third, the "Iglesias must start" crowd are completely forgetting last year when exactly the same thing happened to Middlebrooks vs. Youkilis.  Youk got traded and the Sox paid his salary while Youk was playing for the White Sox and Middlebrooks and Ortiz couldn't play for Boston because they were both on the DL for the latter half of the season.   By keeping his best four infielders--Drew, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, and Pedroia--Farrell has some flex if one of them gets injured.  Plus there are some indications Iglesias will be more than the usual utility infielder. 

    My prediction, which ain't worth much, is that Drew stays as long as the Sox are in the hunt for the playoffs. 

     



    Max....on your three points.....1) I agree Farrell has done a great job, but a month ago it was Farrell and Ben who wanted Iggy In Pawtucket and Ciriaco on the team and they have changed on that for the better of the Roster. 2) I dont think the Iggy should be play posters of which I am one, think all four can play at one time and or think Drew should be traded, just that Iggy should be starting ahead of him.....it shouldnt be that Iggy is the Utility guy because he is more versatile than Drew...if he is the better starting option he should start and when you need to use Drew, you shift Iggy so Drew can play SS......3) and the injury possibility is only a factor if you trade Drew, so that has no bearing on whether Iggy should be playing rather than sitting on the bench. Drew has been much better defensively than i thought he was but Iggy is just special.....even if Drew was hitting 50 points higher than Iggy, Iggy would save more runs than Drew would create....the way it is now it is illogical not to have Iggy in the lineup.....Maybe iggy is just in a real lucky streak....alot of his hits do seem to be falling in.....but lets play that streak while we can and if Iggy cools off dramatically we can change out thinking.

     

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    Funny thing is, I have no problem with the idea that Iglesias has earned the right to play every day.  I'm just saying he is now on the team for good, which should make him happy, and I am willing to trust Farrell's judgment on when and how much to start him.  If the team were losing, that would be very different, but in fact they have the best record in the AL. 

    Iggy went back to Pawtucket because that was the plan and because early in the season it made sense to, essentially, have five infielders available excluding 1B--Drew, Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Ciriaco, and Iglesias, with the latter stashed in AAA.  Sure enough, Middlebrooks went on the DL, and, because Iglesias had been so good in both ST and the early season, Farrell and Ben C took a chance and brought Iglesias back, this time to play 3B every day.  It worked like a charm.    Iglesias was not only terrific at 3B, his hitting stayed good, and that's why the Sox finally let Ciriaco go.  

    As I understand it, the arguments for continuing to start Drew at SS are:  he's a lefty hitter and more likely to hit righty starters; he has committed one error in roughly a month at SS, which is pretty darn good; the Sox are winning with Drew (also with Iglesias, I'm happy to say); he's a veteran and should be (especially in the eyes of the other veterans on the team) accorded some respect; he's being paid a lot of money.  

    If you want defense, the smart move is to bench Middlebrooks and keep Iglesias and Drew on the field because Middlebrooks has made a bunch of errors.    If you want offense, the same two get to play because they have better numbers than Middlebrooks, who has the same number of at bats as Drew but fewer runs, fewer rbi's, and 100 points lower OPS.  However, Middlebrooks is also supposed to be the current and future 3B for the Sox, so you want to give him some starts. 

    About Iglesias saving runs.  Quite frankly, I just haven't seen it.  I think he is great, and so far his error rate has been incredible.  But I just can't recall many, if any, games in which he even saved a run, let alone saved a run that also saved a game.  Monday night we saw Pedroia save two runs with catching that pop fly and later getting the runner out on a drag bunt.  Plus Saltalmacchia made a great throw to get the second out in the bottom of the 10th inning.  So, please, provide me with some specifics on where Iglesias made one or more game-saving plays.  There is no disagreement about how good he is, just disagreement that the team ERA would be a run lower if Iglesias started at SS, which to me is preposterous. 

    At the end of the day, I go back to my earlier post.  I think Farrell is a better judge of who to play than you or I or moonslav.  And don't forget that won-lost record.  The Sox have the best record in the AL despite the sometime absence of Iglesias, especially at SS. 

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

     




     

     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.



    you either start middlebrooks everyday or you find somewhere else for him to play.  

     

    Remember a few years ago when Ortiz started off slow? but you reaped the rewards at the end of the year when you stick with the most talented player.  

    I don't believe in taken talent out of a lineup, I do believe in shuffling the lineup and plugging people in the 9 hole who aren't hitting.

    Would you suggest that Justin Upton sit the bench too???  Should we have benched Ellsbury? look at what he is doing now



    Don't compare Middlebrooks to Ortiz or Upton. There is no comparison. Middlebrooks has less than a years worth of at bats.

     
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    If Iggy keeps this up, and Drew plays like he has the last two weeks then we will likely trade Drew for something valuable and get Iggy at SS.

    Why are we complaining again?

     

     



    Do they ever stop.

     

     

    Iggy wiil get his ABs filling in for Drew and Middlebrooks. No one knows if Middlebrooks will rebound to last year or continue to play poorly at bat and on the field. Were leading the division and Drew will not be traded untill Will proves himself if then. Right now our best team probably is Drew at SS and Iggy at 3rd. I hope this changes we need Middlebrooks power in the middle of he lineup.

    Not a Drew lover but guess who is leading the AL in fielding at SS.

    Guess



    Drew has had good defense in the past, it has been horrible lately.  There was this theory that a full year removed from an injury could COULD mean he would have good defense.  I'm going to go with Drew.

     

    The problem is every ball that gets by him will result in the "Iggy would have got that" mantra.  But did anyone see two baseball get past Pedroia by an inch on Monday night??? Don't get me wrong I think Pedroia is one of the best 2nd baseman in the league and no one might have got those balls BUT if Iggy was a 2nd Baseman and people didn't like Pedroia all you would've heard tuesday morning was how Iggy would of gotten to those balls.

    We all know Iggy is better defensively, and is making ample strides at the plate.  We also know that Drew will not be here for much longer, be it a month or 4 months.  Drew has been much better with the bat lately and is a good hitter with RISP (especially with 2 outs) 

    People can argue this all they want in their hate for Drew, I bring it up only because I think he has real trade value and if Iggy keeps it up he might solidify his role as a starting short stop.  My defense of Drew is NOT because I chose him over Iggy....

    but I'm not going to sit here and complain about Drew playing shortstop that is just ridiculous. 

    better with the bat lately he is 1 for 11 in this series


     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

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    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

     




     

     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.



    you either start middlebrooks everyday or you find somewhere else for him to play.  

     

    Remember a few years ago when Ortiz started off slow? but you reaped the rewards at the end of the year when you stick with the most talented player.  

    I don't believe in taken talent out of a lineup, I do believe in shuffling the lineup and plugging people in the 9 hole who aren't hitting.

    Would you suggest that Justin Upton sit the bench too???  Should we have benched Ellsbury? look at what he is doing now

     



    Don't compare Middlebrooks to Ortiz or Upton. There is no comparison. Middlebrooks has less than a years worth of at bats.

     

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    Pleas try to understand why I'm comparing them.  I'm not comparing the players I'm comparing the expectations vs. fan reaction.  I'm fully aware middlebrooks is not Oritz.  I'm trying to illustrate how fans were very quick to jump on the anti Oritz bandwagon because of two months of bad results.

    The fact that Upton and Ortiz are established players and drew similar convictions actually strengthens my arguments; as people should be more inclined to show those guys patience.

     
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    If Iggy keeps this up, and Drew plays like he has the last two weeks then we will likely trade Drew for something valuable and get Iggy at SS.

    Why are we complaining again?

     

     



    Do they ever stop.

     

     

    Iggy wiil get his ABs filling in for Drew and Middlebrooks. No one knows if Middlebrooks will rebound to last year or continue to play poorly at bat and on the field. Were leading the division and Drew will not be traded untill Will proves himself if then. Right now our best team probably is Drew at SS and Iggy at 3rd. I hope this changes we need Middlebrooks power in the middle of he lineup.

    Not a Drew lover but guess who is leading the AL in fielding at SS.

    Guess



    Drew has had good defense in the past, it has been horrible lately.  There was this theory that a full year removed from an injury could COULD mean he would have good defense.  I'm going to go with Drew.

     

    The problem is every ball that gets by him will result in the "Iggy would have got that" mantra.  But did anyone see two baseball get past Pedroia by an inch on Monday night??? Don't get me wrong I think Pedroia is one of the best 2nd baseman in the league and no one might have got those balls BUT if Iggy was a 2nd Baseman and people didn't like Pedroia all you would've heard tuesday morning was how Iggy would of gotten to those balls.

    We all know Iggy is better defensively, and is making ample strides at the plate.  We also know that Drew will not be here for much longer, be it a month or 4 months.  Drew has been much better with the bat lately and is a good hitter with RISP (especially with 2 outs) 

    People can argue this all they want in their hate for Drew, I bring it up only because I think he has real trade value and if Iggy keeps it up he might solidify his role as a starting short stop.  My defense of Drew is NOT because I chose him over Iggy....

    but I'm not going to sit here and complain about Drew playing shortstop that is just ridiculous. 

     

    better with the bat lately he is 1 for 11 in this series


     

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    Oh ok....thank you for clearing that up for me.

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

     



    ++1

     

     

     

    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

     




     

     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.



    you either start middlebrooks everyday or you find somewhere else for him to play.  

     

    Remember a few years ago when Ortiz started off slow? but you reaped the rewards at the end of the year when you stick with the most talented player.  

    I don't believe in taken talent out of a lineup, I do believe in shuffling the lineup and plugging people in the 9 hole who aren't hitting.

    Would you suggest that Justin Upton sit the bench too???  Should we have benched Ellsbury? look at what he is doing now

     

     



    Don't compare Middlebrooks to Ortiz or Upton. There is no comparison. Middlebrooks has less than a years worth of at bats.

     

     

     

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    Pleas try to understand why I'm comparing them.  I'm not comparing the players I'm comparing the expectations vs. fan reaction.  I'm fully aware middlebrooks is not Oritz.  I'm trying to illustrate how fans were very quick to jump on the anti Oritz bandwagon because of two months of bad results.

     

    The fact that Upton and Ortiz are established players and drew similar convictions actually strengthens my arguments; as people should be more inclined to show those guys patience.

    [/QUOTE]

    It isn't "anti Middlebrooks" to point out that Iggy and Drew are playing better than Middlebrooks. It isn't even an opinion. It is what is happenning.  That may change.  If it does I will advocate for Middlebrooks to play more again. Until then he should get a couple starts a week.

     
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    Many posters thought that , with his defense , Iglesias would be a terrific shortstop if he could hit .240 -  .250.  Well , he is hitting an incredible .450 , and some still don't want to give him the job. What is the problem here ?  People are unwilling to let go of their opinions and preconceived notions, and just deal with the reality of the situation. It is hard to watch Iglesias sit while Drew plays short and Middlebrooks plays third. Now , if Iglesias production falls off drastically , you sit or demote him. No problem with that. But for now , there is absolutely no reason why he should not be in the lineup every day. 

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

     



    ++1

     

     

     

    Iggy needs to be in the lineup....just for his defense.....his offense his a bonus. Drew can get plenty of time as a Utility guy, only that when we play him we put him a SS and move Iggy to 3b or 2b.......as for playing Drew instead of Middlebrooks.....Middlebrooks has been feeling the Sophomore jinx, but he needs to play to be able to make the adjustments to the adjustments pitchers have made against him,...he has afuture with the team, Drew doesnt, plus even with his slow start he a) has more power potential than Drew and offers more lineup protection than Drew....no Manager is worried about Drew in the On Deck Circle....where as they would worry about bringing up Middlebrooks as the tying run due to his ability to hit the ball out.

     




     

     

    Drew has 5 home runs in 180 At bats

    Middebrooks has 7 in 192.

    Iggy has proven he needs to play.  

    Drew has been average.

    Middlebrooks has been horrible.

    I think Middlebrooks should start a game or two a week until he shows something. Start your best 9 players.  Right now that doesn't include Middlebrooks.



    you either start middlebrooks everyday or you find somewhere else for him to play.  

     

    Remember a few years ago when Ortiz started off slow? but you reaped the rewards at the end of the year when you stick with the most talented player.  

    I don't believe in taken talent out of a lineup, I do believe in shuffling the lineup and plugging people in the 9 hole who aren't hitting.

    Would you suggest that Justin Upton sit the bench too???  Should we have benched Ellsbury? look at what he is doing now

     

     

     



    Don't compare Middlebrooks to Ortiz or Upton. There is no comparison. Middlebrooks has less than a years worth of at bats.

     

     

     

     

     

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    Pleas try to understand why I'm comparing them.  I'm not comparing the players I'm comparing the expectations vs. fan reaction.  I'm fully aware middlebrooks is not Oritz.  I'm trying to illustrate how fans were very quick to jump on the anti Oritz bandwagon because of two months of bad results.

     

     

    The fact that Upton and Ortiz are established players and drew similar convictions actually strengthens my arguments; as people should be more inclined to show those guys patience.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    It isn't "anti Middlebrooks" to point out that Iggy and Drew are playing better than Middlebrooks. It isn't even an opinion. It is what is happenning.  That may change.  If it does I will advocate for Middlebrooks to play more again. Until then he should get a couple starts a week.

     

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    Iglesias should get a couple starts a week???

     

    I agree.

     
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    Middlebrooks is probably hampered by his wrist still. Seems to take awhile for baseball players to fully recover from that. Drew's most value to the sox on a go forward basis is to be traded for an asset beyond this year. Seeing as how wmb's problems may linger all, or most of the year, drew staying is very possible. But I don't think it's likely. Drew goes, iggy starts. 

     
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