IGGY traded for Garry Templeton

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    IGGY traded for Garry Templeton

    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     

     
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    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     

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    And this question is directed at which forum posters?




    PIKE U.

     
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    In response to TV-Guy's comment:

    What was great about the thread. Go back and read it.



    I thought it was an intelligent post

     

     
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    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     



    Templeton was not blocking Ozzie Smith, so this analogy doesn't fit.  I guess it's this year's version of your Adrian Gonzalez morphing into Jose Offerman spiel.

    Drew, at most, is a one year rental that got bopped on the head and hasn't even had an opportunity yet to prove himself.  A win/win would be if the both Drew and Iggy play well and the Red Sox trade Drew for a prospect or an upgrade at another position.  

    You're a finance guy, right?  You do understand the idea of leverage, don't you?

     
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    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     

     



    Templeton was not blocking Ozzie Smith, so this analogy doesn't fit.  I guess it's this year's version of your Adrian Gonzalez morphing into Jose Offerman spiel.

     

    Drew, at most, is a one year rental that got bopped on the head and hasn't even had an opportunity yet to prove himself.  A win/win would be if the both Drew and Iggy play well and the Red Sox trade Drew for a prospect or an upgrade at another position.  

    You're a finance guy, right?  You do understand the idea of leverage, don't you?




    Here we go again with the Offerman deal, meanwhile Ol Adrian has homered in two games since being traded to the Dodgers. FWIW, The Orioles Chris Davis' next homer will give him 18 since Gonzalez moved west...equaling Adrian's entire 2012 output.

     
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    Maybe Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady would be a little more analogous, although Bledsoe was one the better quarterbacks, but still not elite, and Drew is more in the middle of the pack.  In addition, IGGY has played in 3 1/3 games this season and a little lame duck time last year, compared to Ozzie Smith's 18 year career.  I was glad that Bledsoe was still around to fill in for Brady in the AFC Championship game when Brady went down.  

     
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    Maybe Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady would be a little more analogous, although Bledsoe was one the better quarterbacks, but still not elite, and Drew is more in the middle of the pack.  In addition, IGGY has played in 3 1/3 games this season and a little lame duck time last year, compared to Ozzie Smith's 18 year career.  I was glad that Bledsoe was still around to fill in for Brady in the AFC Championship game when Brady went down.  




    I just wanted to throw out a different way of thinking about it. It's not a real trade, since they control both players. When you have to choose, which one would you take? Drew or Iggy? Ozzie or Garry?

     
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    Can I ask you, were you around when Templeton played?




    Um, yeah.

     
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    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     

     



    Templeton was not blocking Ozzie Smith, so this analogy doesn't fit.  I guess it's this year's version of your Adrian Gonzalez morphing into Jose Offerman spiel.

     

    Drew, at most, is a one year rental that got bopped on the head and hasn't even had an opportunity yet to prove himself.  A win/win would be if the both Drew and Iggy play well and the Red Sox trade Drew for a prospect or an upgrade at another position.  

    You're a finance guy, right?  You do understand the idea of leverage, don't you?

     




    Here we go again with the Offerman deal, meanwhile Ol Adrian has homered in two games since being traded to the Dodgers. FWIW, The Orioles Chris Davis' next homer will give him 18 since Gonzalez moved west...equaling Adrian's entire 2012 output.

     



    Yes, Adrian Gonzalez's power output was disappointing to say the least, and he was certainly no leader, but that doesn't mean your analogy or satire was any good.  This analogy is even worse, and that's saying something.  

     
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    Maybe Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady would be a little more analogous, although Bledsoe was one the better quarterbacks, but still not elite, and Drew is more in the middle of the pack.  In addition, IGGY has played in 3 1/3 games this season and a little lame duck time last year, compared to Ozzie Smith's 18 year career.  I was glad that Bledsoe was still around to fill in for Brady in the AFC Championship game when Brady went down.  

     




    I just wanted to throw out a different way of thinking about it. It's not a real trade, since they control both players. When you have to choose, which one would you take? Drew or Iggy? Ozzie or Garry?

     



    They only have to choose this season, or maybe even 2/3 of a season.  It's not like King Solomon's assigning custody without the help of a DNA test.  It's only been a few games for Iggy so far.  Drew didn't do anything to earn a demotion.  Let him play and see what happens.  If Drew plays well, then they earn trading points.  If he doesn't, then you put in Iggy. It's not that complicated.  

     
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    In response to TV-Guy's comment:

    What was great about the thread. Go back and read it.



    1) It was about baseball- something you rarely post about, even though this is a baseball forum.

    2) It's about the Sox and a key decision that is about to be made- something this forum is all about: discussing key Sox decisions.

    3) It make total sense, and in my opinion, is a spot on opinion- something you rarely ever agree with.

    4) While I may disagree with Youk a few times, he is 1000 times the poster you are.

     
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    Isn't hyperbole trademarked by the fake Red Sox fan named Softlaw?



    Isn't this yeat another post totally devoid of anything to do with baseball or the Sox?

     
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    I remember watching a couple days ago when he helped get that lead out at 2nd when most players couldn't even have got to the the ball to knock it down and keep it in the infield.

    That seeming ability to throw where you're not looking or facing, while you're spinning around like a top and off off-balance is just magical. Aside from taking runs off the board, what can you say about the difference between that and watching Bonifacio boot three in a game?

    Iggy makes the game exciting to watch. I hope we never trade him.

     
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    Many have favorably compared Red Sox SS Julio Iglesias to HOF Ozzie Smith, like Iggy, Smith was a weak hitting prospect.  In 1979 he began the season 0-32, and reached the zenith of batting success on August 25th, when he went three for nine in a nineteen inning marathon against the Pirates, and finished the day batting a Mendoza like .218.

    In 1981, he was traded to the Cardinals for All Star SS Garry Templeton, who was younger, and was coming off hitting .322, .280, and .314 in the previous three seasons. Templeton not only was getting on base a lot more than Ozzie, (averaging 197 hits) but also was leading the league in triples collecting 50 of his career 106 total in the same time period.

     Ozzie became a fielding legend in St. Louis and his game winning HR in the '85 NLCS is remembered as much as him helping the Cardinals win a World Series in his first seaon with the Red-birds. Templeton despite having a 16 year career and collecting over 2000 hits, is remembered (if at all), as being the guy traded for a future HOF'er.

    Which brings me to IGGY and our own version of Garry Templeton, Stephen Drew. Except, as Lloyd Bensen would say, Senator, your no Garry Templeton. Heck, he's not even JD Drew. Yet the Sox are willing to make the same mistake the Padres made over 30 years ago. Except the Padres at least at that time got the younger and better player. The Sox are trading Iggy for an older and dubiously better player. Look, it doesn't matter ten cents if the Sox are paying Drew $9M, their SS average salary is stilll $5.5M, regardless of who plays there the most. You might as well play the best player.

     

     

     



    Templeton was not blocking Ozzie Smith, so this analogy doesn't fit.  I guess it's this year's version of your Adrian Gonzalez morphing into Jose Offerman spiel.

     

    Drew, at most, is a one year rental that got bopped on the head and hasn't even had an opportunity yet to prove himself.  A win/win would be if the both Drew and Iggy play well and the Red Sox trade Drew for a prospect or an upgrade at another position.  

    You're a finance guy, right?  You do understand the idea of leverage, don't you?

     




    Here we go again with the Offerman deal, meanwhile Ol Adrian has homered in two games since being traded to the Dodgers. FWIW, The Orioles Chris Davis' next homer will give him 18 since Gonzalez moved west...equaling Adrian's entire 2012 output.

     

     



    Yes, Adrian Gonzalez's power output was disappointing to say the least, and he was certainly no leader, but that doesn't mean your analogy or satire was any good.  This analogy is even worse, and that's saying something.  

     




    The Offerman thread has been the subject of historical revisionists several times. After one month of no power, I asked the question of how his surgically repaired shoulder was doing, a valid question. The next question, stated as a joke, turned out to be even more relative. That question was, "if he;s going to hit like Offerman, why did they make hime such a big offer, man?" Adrian then went on a torrid 6 week tear, very impressive, and that tear temporarily put to rest ownerships concern about their long term investment. Fourteen months later, the little kernel of a joke had blossomed into a full scale nuclear blow out. Turns out Adrian wasn't worth it, and although it's early in his Dodger career, he isn't exactly nailing the ROI.

     I don't know if the Offerman thread still lives in the archives, one thing for sure, is that a nerve was touched, and that nerve leads to that portion of the brain that was fearful that A-Gon would be a bust. In the end, the much despised Offerman had a much longer tenure with the Sox, three and a half years versus A-Gon's one and a half, and every team he was part of, finished in second place, while A-Gons teams are remembered for their woeful under performance. Offerman was let go because of his baseball ability, the way it should be, A-Gon was traded to shed his club house influence.

     As to the satire, it's your opinion, but,  I think you really misssed it, the function of satire is to point out truth.

     
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