Iglesias can't hit

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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So far he has not PROVEN he can play at the ML level. I do not want a SS who is hitting just above the Mendoza line on my team, no matter how good he is defensively. He has one more year in AAA ball to prove himself. After that I think we can officially declare him a bust in the same category as Lars Anderson. I hope I am wrong and he surprises me, but I doubt it.

     



    Fair enough that Iggy needs to prove himself

    BUT

    Iggy plays a defense first position, Lars played a Bat first position in 1B.  You have to hit to play 1B.  Also for what's worth Iggy was one year Younger than Lars when he got his first MLb plate appearence, just to give some insight into how quicklyhe was rushed. 

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    He has 6 hits in ST, and we can categorically state that he can hit MLB pitching?

     

    I'll say the same thing I did a week ago, when we were supposed to drop Igesias.  Give him a full season of AAA ABs.  He is still plenty young.  118 ABs, while a heck of a lot more than 18 ABs, is insufficient.

    18 ABs, and comparing him to Ozzie Smith, requires no comment.HOW old is iggy?i was curious how many more years are left o nthis contract we signed him to.like linares i think unless they really think they have  a good playoff team i would go with the younger guys.if they make the playoffs and lose in the first round are the fans going to be happy?i say let the kids play and see if they can build around them.you can't hit major league pitching if you are not facing it on a regular basis.

     

     



    he turned 23 in Jan and hes not a FA until 2018...he has plenty of time here...

    It would be crazy to give up on this kid, especially with that much control time. He will hit MLB pitching enough to warrant a starting job. Ease up on the just turned 23yr old.

     

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.



    His AA OPS level you quote of .672 would have put him right in the middle os AL SS last year, and with his defense an OPS of .672 while not good could be acceptable while he works with the Major league coaches to improve....and his OPS at AAA of .589 does not show that his OPS at AAA went from .554 to .624 year to year so he was improving at AAA also....Stephen Drew's OPS in AA was only .697 and then he improved at AAA to.806 and has avergae .762 in the majors, so there isnt necessarily a progression of getting better as you go higher.....and forgetting all the numbers, all the stories coming out of ST say that Iglesias is hitting much better and looks much more in control and aggresive at the plate...so I dont see why giving him a another shot at the ML level is so far fetched.

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.




    average OPS for MLB SSs over the past 3 seasons is .682. So he is having an above average spring offensively.... if he started the season this year do i think he could ahve an OPS of .682? absolutely not, probably not even close. But if he could get close to average offensive SS numbers, paired with that Golden glove he could be one of the top SSs in the game. He definitely needs another year at AAA but i think your over exagerating about him going back to AA. I could see him as our starting SS in 2014 if he keeps improving at the plate.

     
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    Another line drive out. I guess if he had a bunch of bloop hits, he might be considered  Major League ready?

     
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    Another line drive out. I guess if he had a bunch of bloop hits, he might be considered  Major League ready?




    Honestly ike, you act like you're the only person in this forum that likes Jose. Here's a hint. You aren't. Some of us are a little more patient though, and don't want to see him thrown to the wolves until he's demonstrated he has a reasonable chance of success in the big leagues. How do you think Shaugnessy would treat him if he were hitting at the Mendoza line midway through the season? Talk about destroying a young man's confidence.

     
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    Another line drive out. I guess if he had a bunch of bloop hits, he might be considered  Major League ready?

     




     

     


    like your bloop posts?




    That was so funny. I bet you would be a hit at funerals.

     
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    Last year he looked as bad as any non-pitcher I've ever seen at the plate. I just saw that he's been paid $2 million per year for the last 3 years. Is that correct? If so, that's like $600,000 per major league hit. If he can be moved for a pitcher, positional player or ball boy, they should do it. Heck, pay the salary too if you have to. Jose Iglesias will not hit over .210 in the major leagues in the next 3 years, if ever. Move him STAT and wish him well. The AL East is not the place for a defensive specialist with a massive hole in his bat.

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.



    Drew's is .528 and Gomes .608 so far this spring. I suppose that doesn't count because they are veterans right?
    You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

    I'll go out on a limb and say the RS have the best SS in the league, maybe in all of MLB, in Iglesias. If he only hits .230, it's better than Drew at .260. But I believe, given the chance, he would hit close to .300.

     

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.

     



    Drew's is .528 and Gomes .608 so far this spring. I suppose that doesn't count because they are veterans right?
    You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

     

    I'll go out on a limb and say the RS have the best SS in the league, maybe in all of MLB, in Iglesias. If he only hits .230, it's better than Drew at .260. But I believe, given the chance, he would hit close to .300.

     

     




     

     

     

     

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    what he said.

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.

     



    Drew's is .528 and Gomes .608 so far this spring. I suppose that doesn't count because they are veterans right?
    You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

     

    I'll go out on a limb and say the RS have the best SS in the league, maybe in all of MLB, in Iglesias. If he only hits .230, it's better than Drew at .260. But I believe, given the chance, he would hit close to .300.

     




    Its not just what he has done this spring. I admit that is a small sample size, just like he had in A ball and at the ML level so far. That said, he has faced, as I pointed out, pitching that is essentially the quality of AAA pitching this spring and STILL hasn't proven anything. In addition, the sample sizes for him in AA and AAA ball are NOT small; they are large, and he STILL could not hit the baseball at those levels. I do not want the average hitting SS on my team; I want an above average SS. Iglesias is not EVEN average. In 83 ABs in the majors Iglesias has a WAR of 0.2. When you get to less than zero that is defined as a player who needs to be replaced (0-2=reserve, 2-4=ML caliber). Like I said, maybe some day he will prove himself capable, but the FACT is that so far he has not done that. In any event, he has another year to prove his worth.

     
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    Re: Iglesias can't hit

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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.

     



    Drew's is .528 and Gomes .608 so far this spring. I suppose that doesn't count because they are veterans right?
    You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

     

    I'll go out on a limb and say the RS have the best SS in the league, maybe in all of MLB, in Iglesias. If he only hits .230, it's better than Drew at .260. But I believe, given the chance, he would hit close to .300.

     



    well, at least you prefaced this by noting that you were going out on a limb.

     
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    Re: Iglesias can't hit

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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.




    So let's get this straight, Ike:  you claim he can hit based on a tiny, ST sample size and that's ok....but others, noting his regression to the mean based on an ever so slightly larger ST sample size, are foolish for pointing out his recent failure?

    Can't you see how foolish that is?  Again:  your 20 PA sample size is proof you're right, but others' 30 PA sample size is nonsense?

     
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    Except off Hellickson and Niemann.....Doubled off each.

    6 for 18 including 3 doubles and a HR. But this is ST, nothing counts right? Even though Drew is just 2 for 13, he is a lock to start at SS.

    Send Iggy down to AAA so he can learn to hit ML pitching!

     



    0-10 since your post.  I still have confidence for 2014, but once again, the dangers of trying to predict things based on a few games.

     

     




    Just because he's not hitting the ball safely lately, doesn't mean he can't hit. He's stuck out 4 times in 30 PAs, pretty darn good I would say. Probably better at putting the ball in play, than a lot of the regulars.

     

    You guys just don't want to admit that the kid can play at the MLB level. That would mean you would have to admit you were wrong.

     



    So basically you're saying that, just because he hasn't hit the ball in the last 10 ABs, it doesn't mean he can't hit.

     

    But you did take the position that, since he did the ball for 18 ABs, that meant he could hit.

    See, that's the inconsistency in your logic.

    And putting the ball into play is kind of meaningless.  You need to get on base.

     



    No, I said he hasn't hit the ball SAFELY. You need to read the post. Putting the ball in play is meaningless? That is idiotic coming from someone as bright as you think you are. You can't very well get on base unless you put the ball in play, barring a BB or a HBP.

     

    He has doubled and lined out today. Could easily be 2 for 2. I also said he has only 4 K's in 30 PA's (now 32). Claiming that he can't hit Major League pitching is ludicrous, especially when he makes solid contact. You have to admit the kid has had some tough luck at the plate, as a lot of his AB's have resulted in hard outs hit right at someone

     



    The FACT of the matter is that Iglesias has NEVER proven that he can hit the baseball in the major leagues. His career OPS in the majors is .413; so far this spring his OPS is .695 with a pitcher quality rating of 8.2 (8 is AAA level). In 783 plate appearances at the AAA level his OPS is just .589; at the AA level he was just at .672 in 236 plate appearances. The only place he hit the baseball was at the A level where in just 57 PAs his OPS was .956. HE CANNOT EVEN HIT AT THE AA level, let alone at the ML level.

     

    Now maybe one day he will somehow dramatically improve and prove he is worthy of being on a ML roster, but I doubt it. The way things are right now, he does not belong with the team. At best he belongs in Pawtucket and probably really should go back to AA ball until he proves he can hit the baseball there.

     



    Drew's is .528 and Gomes .608 so far this spring. I suppose that doesn't count because they are veterans right?
    You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

     

    I'll go out on a limb and say the RS have the best SS in the league, maybe in all of MLB, in Iglesias. If he only hits .230, it's better than Drew at .260. But I believe, given the chance, he would hit close to .300.

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    Ahahaha.  Literally LOL, funniest thing I've read here in ages.  If you'd written that you believed he would hit close to .200 I'd agree, but I don't think that's a given based on his terrible batting track record.  But .300?  You're joking, right?  You need to stay off the grog, dude, stay off the grog.

     
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    Re: Iglesias can't hit

    Given a couple years he could reach that ceiling of a #2 hitter.  The problem with Iggy is his approach, coming from Cuba you aren't taught to take pitches.  He can track the ball and has abone average bat speed.  Any scout, any one in the know would tell you his skills translate into a Good hit tool often.  The problem with Iggy is he was very Raw coming into the system and was rushed.  Ideally he should have finished off last season in Portland and be starting in Pawtucket this year.  

    Ironically if he followed that path he should of, he probably would have been mashing it in Portland. And everyone saying he couldn't hit would be advocating for him to be starting today.

    Iggy has spent as much time in the minors as a typical college player on the fast track to the bigs.  He should of been treated like a high school player, which would have been appropriate giving his age and experience.  Think of it this way if the sox treated all their Prospects like Iggy Henry Owens would be starting in Pawtucket looking at a August call up and he would probably struggle A LOT and many would want to dump him, yet right now I don't think there is anyone who Follows prospects who would argue that he has a chance to develop into an elite pitcher.

    Yes some players spend very little time in he minors and get to the bigs at a young age, but that is a very I'llinformed argument.  Those types of players are your Derek jeters, your Bryce Harpers, the ones who have HOF talent.  They are a very rare commodity. Iggy is not that guy nor will he win a batting title. But he still has a very good chance of having a long prosperous career.  

     
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    Re: Iglesias can't hit

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    Given a couple years he could reach that ceiling of a #2 hitter.  The problem with Iggy is his approach, coming from Cuba you aren't taught to take pitches.  He can track the ball and has abone average bat speed.  Any scout, any one in the know would tell you his skills translate into a Good hit tool often.  The problem with Iggy is he was very Raw coming into the system and was rushed.  Ideally he should have finished off last season in Portland and be starting in Pawtucket this year.  

    Ironically if he followed that path he should of, he probably would have been mashing it in Portland. And everyone saying he couldn't hit would be advocating for him to be starting today.

    Iggy has spent as much time in the minors as a typical college player on the fast track to the bigs.  He should of been treated like a high school player, which would have been appropriate giving his age and experience.  Think of it this way if the sox treated all their Prospects like Iggy Henry Owens would be starting in Pawtucket looking at a August call up and he would probably struggle A LOT and many would want to dump him, yet right now I don't think there is anyone who Follows prospects who would argue that he has a chance to develop into an elite pitcher.

    Yes some players spend very little time in he minors and get to the bigs at a young age, but that is a very I'llinformed argument.  Those types of players are your Derek jeters, your Bryce Harpers, the ones who have HOF talent.  They are a very rare commodity. Iggy is not that guy nor will he win a batting title. But he still has a very good chance of having a long prosperous career.  




    This ^^^^^^^

     
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    hugh, good post.  A lot of people forget that he just turned 23 a couple of months ago.  

    The Mark Belanger (my favorite non-Sox player growing up) comparison is a good one.  I think that is what we should hope to expect from Iggy.  In 1973 Mark Belanger was 21st in the MVP voting receiving 8 points.  His offensive stat line was .226/.302/.564.  He received 1 less voting point than Yaz that year who was .296/.407/.463.  If Iggy can hit .230 with an OB% near .300 then that is great.  He does not have to be an average hitter because his defense makes up for that. 

    However, he does at least have to at least hit some.  My personal opinion is he is not quite ready for the majors, but close.  I believe the Sox feel the same way which is why they signed Drew to a 1 year contract.  

    There are a lot of good points being made in this thread.  What some people are not understanding is that differing points of view can both be correct.  Those who say he still has to show he can get on base in the majors are as correct as those who say he is making contact, just not getting on base.  Both are important.  But for someone who does not walk much, he will have  to get more hits when he does make contact in order for him to be respectable.

     
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    hugh, good post.  A lot of people forget that he just turned 23 a couple of months ago.  

    The Mark Belanger (my favorite non-Sox player growing up) comparison is a good one.  I think that is what we should hope to expect from Iggy.  In 1973 Mark Belanger was 21st in the MVP voting receiving 8 points.  His offensive stat line was .226/.302/.564.  He received 1 less voting point than Yaz that year who was .296/.407/.463.  If Iggy can hit .230 with an OB% near .300 then that is great.  He does not have to be an average hitter because his defense makes up for that. 

    However, he does at least have to at least hit some.  My personal opinion is he is not quite ready for the majors, but close.  I believe the Sox feel the same way which is why they signed Drew to a 1 year contract.  

    There are a lot of good points being made in this thread.  What some people are not understanding is that differing points of view can both be correct.  Those who say he still has to show he can get on base in the majors are as correct as those who say he is making contact, just not getting on base.  Both are important.  But for someone who does not walk much, he will have  to get more hits when he does make contact in order for him to be respectable.

     



    Yes both people can be correct, it all comes down to perspective and opinion.  Personally Ithink we've been spoiled.  Ever since Nomar and watching Arod and Jeter we all think short stops are supposed to hit .300 and 30+ HR.  compared to the league average year in and out the offensive bar is set lower for short stops, so Iggy doesn't have very far to go....possibly a bit more than I imply because the reality is the bar is always set a little higher in any big market team.  My concern with Iggy is how much more can he really learn Pawtucket?  He might just have to be that hitter (and historicly this has happened with players like Iggy before) that takes his lows and sinks for a whole year, sees some MLB pitching and makes strides during his second and third seasons.

     

    I don't think Boston has the patience for that, but other teams will which is why I think he is ultimately trade bait.  And I think that is a shame, because if there was ever a season to plug a guy like Iggy into the 9th hole and take your lows with him and see if he develops; this is that  year.  From what I've heard he has a tremendous work ethic, for what that is worth.

     
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    Re: Iglesias can't hit

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    hugh, good post.  A lot of people forget that he just turned 23 a couple of months ago.  

    The Mark Belanger (my favorite non-Sox player growing up) comparison is a good one.  I think that is what we should hope to expect from Iggy.  In 1973 Mark Belanger was 21st in the MVP voting receiving 8 points.  His offensive stat line was .226/.302/.564.  He received 1 less voting point than Yaz that year who was .296/.407/.463.  If Iggy can hit .230 with an OB% near .300 then that is great.  He does not have to be an average hitter because his defense makes up for that. 

    However, he does at least have to at least hit some.  My personal opinion is he is not quite ready for the majors, but close.  I believe the Sox feel the same way which is why they signed Drew to a 1 year contract.  

    There are a lot of good points being made in this thread.  What some people are not understanding is that differing points of view can both be correct.  Those who say he still has to show he can get on base in the majors are as correct as those who say he is making contact, just not getting on base.  Both are important.  But for someone who does not walk much, he will have  to get more hits when he does make contact in order for him to be respectable.



    Spot on.  I like Iglesias more than most, but get a little tired of people seeing a couple of hits v AAA pitching and predicting stardom.  Like you mention, Iglesias is certainly not old, and based on everything we've seen over the past couple of years, could certainly use a full year in AAA.

     

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